From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 09:55:01 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sat Feb 28 19:20:13 2009 Subject: [Charlug] post mortem Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903010655m4c733fb3g32a81188e536f2c9@mail.gmail.com> Can I get email addresses from the folks who made it to Levine yesterday? Sean, I have yours. -be -- = It is only the great men who are truly obscene. If they had not dared to be obscene, they could never have dared to be great. - Havelock Ellis Daily Universal Resource Locator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei "Work shall set you free" --slogan at the entrance to many Nazi death camps... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090301/58e81c36/att= achment.htm From boomfish at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 17:00:58 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Sun Mar 1 02:26:09 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Anyone use KTorrent? In-Reply-To: <200902280550.29454.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200902280550.29454.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I have some questions which probably can be answered only by someone who's > more into torrenting than I am. E.g. Why does "Parts of the torrent which > are > available" show a random barcode on a torrent I'm seeding? I have never used KTorrent, but I have been using MLDonkey for a few years: it's a good way to keep my home Linux server busy 24/7. The BitTorrent protocol divides torrents into parts called "chunks". BitTorrent transfers are negotiated by chunk: a peer that needs a particular chunk looks for another peer that has that chunk and requests a transfer. BitTorrent client GUIs often use a colored bar to show the status of all the chunks in a torrent. Stripes on the bar represent series of chunks, with the color representing the status of the chunks in the stripe. Chunk statuses may include: - Your client does not have the chunk, but at least one other peer is seeding it. - Your client does not have the chunk and no other peer is seeding it. - Your client is currently downloading the chunk from a peer. - Your client has the chunk and at least one other peer is seeding it. - Your client has the chunk and no other peer is seeding it. You'll need to look up the docs for your client to find out which colors represent which chunk statuses. If you are seeding a torrent (ie. your client has every chunk), it makes sense that you only see two colors on the torrent status bar, making it look like a monochrome barcode. Hope that helps, -- Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090301/1555c1b4/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 08:23:39 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Mar 1 17:48:45 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Charlug's Non-profit status Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903020523q7035890ds8174b15439d80018@mail.gmail.com> Do we have any info on getting the non-profit status? And did we have a "tame" lawyer? This would be Don P & Joe (I think...) Happy s'no-w day... -be ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Doug Glenn Date: Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:19 AM Subject: [FLPC] Re: Non-profit status To: uclug-flpc@googlegroups.com A set of guidelines on what it took would be a great help! Thanks Bob! On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > We got ours a year or two ago if you need help. (Or a "tame" lawyer...) > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Doug Glenn wrote: >> >> Roger that. It had slipped to the wayside. I didn't think there was >> enough interest. I will revisit that. >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Kevin J. wrote: >> > Hi Doug, >> > If you're still willing to help us set up FLPC as a non-profit, please >> > let >> > me know what needs to be done to make that happen. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Kevin >> > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Doug Glenn >> FORUM Information Systems, LLC >> http://foruminfosystems.com >> >> > > > > -- > > > If not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled. > - P. G. Wodehouse > > Daily Universal Resource Locator: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei > > "Work shall set you free" > > --slogan at the entrance to many Nazi death camps... > > > > > -- Doug Glenn FORUM Information Systems, LLC http://foruminfosystems.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "UCLUG-FLPC" group. 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URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090302/e8f65861/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Mon Mar 2 08:37:42 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Mar 1 18:02:55 2009 Subject: [Charlug] REAL stuff In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190902190310r7c2e348aqe53a1190b6f3c1d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190902190310r7c2e348aqe53a1190b6f3c1d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ABE126.7070708@reuel.net> Bob Evans wrote: > I just wanted to share with any developers on list: > > I've had good success using REAL Basic and REAL SQL. I can write it once, > and run on either OS/X, Windows, or Linux. > > I am, as you know,quite lazy... > -be > Me too, but I find the SQLite issue more intriguing. Not being much of a Brainiac, I wonder home much of what I do with MySQL could be done in SQLite, and done better? My client's traffic is measured in dozens of hits a day, and hundreds of entries vice the thousands and millions MySQL is made for. Leam From jason at rampaginggeek.com Mon Mar 2 09:25:08 2009 From: jason at rampaginggeek.com (Jason Edgecombe) Date: Sun Mar 1 18:50:16 2009 Subject: [Charlug] REAL stuff In-Reply-To: <49ABE126.7070708@reuel.net> References: <7c5cd1190902190310r7c2e348aqe53a1190b6f3c1d8@mail.gmail.com> <49ABE126.7070708@reuel.net> Message-ID: <49ABEC44.6030500@rampaginggeek.com> Leam Hall wrote: > Bob Evans wrote: >> I just wanted to share with any developers on list: >> >> I've had good success using REAL Basic and REAL SQL. I can write it >> once, >> and run on either OS/X, Windows, or Linux. >> >> I am, as you know,quite lazy... >> -be >> > > Me too, but I find the SQLite issue more intriguing. Not being much of > a Brainiac, I wonder home much of what I do with MySQL could be done > in SQLite, and done better? My client's traffic is measured in dozens > of hits a day, and hundreds of entries vice the thousands and millions > MySQL is made for. > These two links look useful in the sqlite vs mysql category: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?design.4.281660.5 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3630/sqlite-vs-mysql Jason From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 09:29:17 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Mar 1 18:54:26 2009 Subject: [Charlug] REAL stuff In-Reply-To: <49ABEC44.6030500@rampaginggeek.com> References: <7c5cd1190902190310r7c2e348aqe53a1190b6f3c1d8@mail.gmail.com> <49ABE126.7070708@reuel.net> <49ABEC44.6030500@rampaginggeek.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903020629y23039c20j151b5002ed14754f@mail.gmail.com> Well, the principal author of SQLite is Dr.Richard Hipp, of Charlotte, North Carolina. Maybe he will come back to the LUG again & speak... Sound good? -be On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Jason Edgecombe w= rote: > Leam Hall wrote: > >> Bob Evans wrote: >> >>> I just wanted to share with any developers on list: >>> >>> I've had good success using REAL Basic and REAL SQL. I can write it onc= e, >>> and run on either OS/X, Windows, or Linux. >>> >>> I am, as you know,quite lazy... >>> -be >>> >>> >> Me too, but I find the SQLite issue more intriguing. Not being much of a >> Brainiac, I wonder home much of what I do with MySQL could be done in >> SQLite, and done better? My client's traffic is measured in dozens of hi= ts a >> day, and hundreds of entries vice the thousands and millions MySQL is ma= de >> for. >> >> These two links look useful in the sqlite vs mysql category: > http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?design.4.281660.5 > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3630/sqlite-vs-mysql > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = If not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled. - P. G. Wodehouse Daily Universal Resource Locator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei "Work shall set you free" --slogan at the entrance to many Nazi death camps... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090302/d7a8c2c2/att= achment.htm From peter.senft at hpss.de Mon Mar 2 09:37:49 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Sun Mar 1 19:03:09 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Anyone use KTorrent? In-Reply-To: <200902280550.29454.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200902280550.29454.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <49ABEF3D.1050906@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Pierre, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I have some questions which probably can be answered only by someone who's > more into torrenting than I am. E.g. Why does "Parts of the torrent which are > available" show a random barcode on a torrent I'm seeding? I don't know which KTorrent you use. If it is the one from any 4.x version it could be a bug. 4.x is not really stable... Peter - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJq+898C47DFW4ANMRAuhrAJ9qr6xLoV3LGH/tiH4lZsX2Q85O9ACgrMkk lWbftS7jHE4hSDCCtRYHB/E= =fhwl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From peter.senft at hpss.de Mon Mar 2 09:38:57 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Sun Mar 1 19:04:07 2009 Subject: [Charlug] post mortem In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903010655m4c733fb3g32a81188e536f2c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190903010655m4c733fb3g32a81188e536f2c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ABEF81.3050505@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bob, Bob Evans wrote: > > Can I get email addresses from the folks who made it to Levine yesterday? > > Sean, I have yours. In the header you will find my email address :) cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJq++B8C47DFW4ANMRAkXgAJ43Tsh/sbAvdpy88fDCpfsM+KpngQCeLnzB 193iKul+vKatiaF3acxbk4w= =lxVz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From leam at reuel.net Mon Mar 2 09:51:32 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Mar 1 19:16:47 2009 Subject: [Charlug] REAL stuff In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903020629y23039c20j151b5002ed14754f@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190902190310r7c2e348aqe53a1190b6f3c1d8@mail.gmail.com> <49ABE126.7070708@reuel.net> <49ABEC44.6030500@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190903020629y23039c20j151b5002ed14754f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ABF274.7050304@reuel.net> On one hand, yes. On the other I'd like to have at least some time to figure out the basics so I could really grasp what he might be able to provide. I see a potential niche for tightly coupled performant software packages. For example, a website built on LighTTPD that uses the SQLite included in PHP itself. The issue is that most businesses save money by following general trends. It's cheaper to buy a server twice as big than to hire a programmer twice as good. There's an approaching problem in that large organizations are paying boatloads of money for power and footprint in expensive datacenters. Their first step has been virtualization and that will buy them 2-3 years. In that time application isolation will drvie hardware needs down and the ability to make a very small "server" do your mostly encapsulated work will be useful. Large businesses will buy "devices" that do stuff and the devices will be Linux or BSD boxes configured a special way. Smaller businesses and non-profits will use some virtualization product to put a lot of servers on one box. If you can make a machine host twice as many guests for the same hardware footprint and power consumption, you have a niche. Or so my thinking goes... Leam Bob Evans wrote: > Well, the principal author of SQLite is Dr.Richard Hipp, of Charlotte, North > Carolina. > Maybe he will come back to the LUG again & speak... > > Sound good? > > -be > > > > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Jason Edgecombe wrote: > >> Leam Hall wrote: >> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>>> I just wanted to share with any developers on list: >>>> >>>> I've had good success using REAL Basic and REAL SQL. I can write it once, >>>> and run on either OS/X, Windows, or Linux. >>>> >>>> I am, as you know,quite lazy... >>>> -be >>>> >>>> >>> Me too, but I find the SQLite issue more intriguing. Not being much of a >>> Brainiac, I wonder home much of what I do with MySQL could be done in >>> SQLite, and done better? My client's traffic is measured in dozens of hits a >>> day, and hundreds of entries vice the thousands and millions MySQL is made >>> for. >>> >>> These two links look useful in the sqlite vs mysql category: >> http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?design.4.281660.5 >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3630/sqlite-vs-mysql >> >> Jason >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > > > From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 09:58:51 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Mar 1 19:23:59 2009 Subject: [Charlug] REAL stuff In-Reply-To: <49ABF274.7050304@reuel.net> References: <7c5cd1190902190310r7c2e348aqe53a1190b6f3c1d8@mail.gmail.com> <49ABE126.7070708@reuel.net> <49ABEC44.6030500@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190903020629y23039c20j151b5002ed14754f@mail.gmail.com> <49ABF274.7050304@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903020658v67036e61jecf9f1618f9064f8@mail.gmail.com> SQLite is embedded into things like: Google Mac OS/X Firefox Skype See: http://www.sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html -be On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > On one hand, yes. On the other I'd like to have at least some time to > figure out the basics so I could really grasp what he might be able to > provide. > > I see a potential niche for tightly coupled performant software packages. > For example, a website built on LighTTPD that uses the SQLite included in > PHP itself. > > The issue is that most businesses save money by following general trends. > It's cheaper to buy a server twice as big than to hire a programmer twice= as > good. There's an approaching problem in that large organizations are payi= ng > boatloads of money for power and footprint in expensive datacenters. Their > first step has been virtualization and that will buy them 2-3 years. In t= hat > time application isolation will drvie hardware needs down and the ability= to > make a very small "server" do your mostly encapsulated work will be usefu= l. > Large businesses will buy "devices" that do stuff and the devices will be > Linux or BSD boxes configured a special way. Smaller businesses and > non-profits will use some virtualization product to put a lot of servers = on > one box. If you can make a machine host twice as many guests for the same > hardware footprint and power consumption, you have a niche. > > Or so my thinking goes... > > Leam > > > Bob Evans wrote: > >> Well, the principal author of SQLite is Dr.Richard Hipp, of Charlotte, >> North >> Carolina. >> Maybe he will come back to the LUG again & speak... >> >> Sound good? >> >> -be >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Jason Edgecombe > >wrote: >> >> Leam Hall wrote: >>> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>>> >>>> I just wanted to share with any developers on list: >>>>> >>>>> I've had good success using REAL Basic and REAL SQL. I can write it >>>>> once, >>>>> and run on either OS/X, Windows, or Linux. >>>>> >>>>> I am, as you know,quite lazy... >>>>> -be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Me too, but I find the SQLite issue more intriguing. Not being much = of >>>> a >>>> Brainiac, I wonder home much of what I do with MySQL could be done in >>>> SQLite, and done better? My client's traffic is measured in dozens of >>>> hits a >>>> day, and hundreds of entries vice the thousands and millions MySQL is >>>> made >>>> for. >>>> >>>> These two links look useful in the sqlite vs mysql category: >>>> >>> http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?design.4.281660.5 >>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3630/sqlite-vs-mysql >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = If not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled. - P. G. Wodehouse Daily Universal Resource Locator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei "Work shall set you free" --slogan at the entrance to many Nazi death camps... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090302/78381e56/att= achment.htm From boomfish at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 10:24:37 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Sun Mar 1 19:49:46 2009 Subject: [Charlug] REAL stuff In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903020658v67036e61jecf9f1618f9064f8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190902190310r7c2e348aqe53a1190b6f3c1d8@mail.gmail.com> <49ABE126.7070708@reuel.net> <49ABEC44.6030500@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190903020629y23039c20j151b5002ed14754f@mail.gmail.com> <49ABF274.7050304@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190903020658v67036e61jecf9f1618f9064f8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ABFA35.2000904@gmail.com> Bob Evans wrote: > SQLite is embedded into things like: > > Google > > Mac OS/X > > Firefox > > Skype > > See: > > http://www.sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html > > -be How does Google use SQLite? It's not mentioned in the "most deployed" list. SQLite is an embedded DB and has limited support for concurrency (see questions 5 & 6 in http://www.sqlite.org/faq.html). In that respect it is more of a successor to Berkeley DB rather than a real competitor to database servers. Almost all the uses of SQLite in the "most deployed" list is in client applications. If the goal is to find a more lightweight alternative to MySQL, I'd be more inclined to look at Apache Derby, although I have to admit to being a bit biased towards Java-based solutions these days (I'm a ColdFusion developer). -- Dennis From cmpilato at red-bean.com Mon Mar 2 10:45:04 2009 From: cmpilato at red-bean.com (C. Michael Pilato) Date: Sun Mar 1 20:10:12 2009 Subject: [Charlug] REAL stuff In-Reply-To: <49ABFA35.2000904@gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190902190310r7c2e348aqe53a1190b6f3c1d8@mail.gmail.com> <49ABE126.7070708@reuel.net> <49ABEC44.6030500@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190903020629y23039c20j151b5002ed14754f@mail.gmail.com> <49ABF274.7050304@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190903020658v67036e61jecf9f1618f9064f8@mail.gmail.com> <49ABFA35.2000904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49ABFF00.7050608@red-bean.com> Dennis Clark wrote: > Bob Evans wrote: >> SQLite is embedded into things like: >> >> Google >> >> Mac OS/X >> >> Firefox >> >> Skype >> >> See: >> >> http://www.sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html >> >> -be > How does Google use SQLite? It's not mentioned in the "most deployed" list. > > SQLite is an embedded DB and has limited support for concurrency (see > questions 5 & 6 in http://www.sqlite.org/faq.html). In that respect it > is more of a successor to Berkeley DB rather than a real competitor to > database servers. Almost all the uses of SQLite in the "most deployed" > list is in client applications. Maybe in their desktop apps? (We're using SQLite in Subversion now, too, for client-side metadata storage. No way we'd use it for the server side of things because of the global writer locking it employs.) -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ From michael at prismbiz.com Mon Mar 2 18:28:35 2009 From: michael at prismbiz.com (Michael McCandless) Date: Mon Mar 2 03:53:44 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Script Question Message-ID: <66b0d2eae80f131dd35f8297ca371457.squirrel@www.prismbiz.com> All, I would guess that this is a really simple question... but I can't figure it out. I have a script that grep's a file, looking for a date string, specifically: FILEDATE=`date +"%b %-d"` This command works wonderfully up to the 10th of the month, when I have to use: FILEDATE=`date +"%b %-d"` (only 1 space between %b and %-d) If there some sort of if-then-else I can use based on the day of the month, e.g. IF day-of-month between 1 and 9 FILEDATE=`date +"%b %-d"` ELSE FILEDATE=`date +"%b %-d"` ENDIF Thanks. --------------------------- Michael McCandless michael@prismbiz.com From wescott_mike at emc.com Mon Mar 2 18:39:05 2009 From: wescott_mike at emc.com (Michael Wescott) Date: Mon Mar 2 04:04:23 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Script Question In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:28:35 EST." <66b0d2eae80f131dd35f8297ca371457.squirrel@www.prismbiz.com> Message-ID: michael@prismbiz.com said: > I have a script that grep's a file, looking for a date string, > specifically: > FILEDATE=`date +"%b %-d"` > This command works wonderfully up to the 10th of the month, when I > have to use: > FILEDATE=`date +"%b %-d"` (only 1 space between %b and %-d) Why not use this? FILEDATE=`date +"%b %_d"` -- Mike Wescott Wescott_Mike@EMC.COM From michael at prismbiz.com Mon Mar 2 19:28:30 2009 From: michael at prismbiz.com (Michael McCandless) Date: Mon Mar 2 04:53:37 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Script Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4dc9610591e304c0b4f91d8393e1c589.squirrel@www.prismbiz.com> I think I will! I didn't know about that option. > > michael@prismbiz.com said: >> I have a script that grep's a file, looking for a date string, >> specifically: > >> FILEDATE=`date +"%b %-d"` > >> This command works wonderfully up to the 10th of the month, when I >> have to use: > >> FILEDATE=`date +"%b %-d"` (only 1 space between %b and %-d) > > Why not use this? > > FILEDATE=`date +"%b %_d"` > -- > Mike Wescott > Wescott_Mike@EMC.COM > --------------------------- Michael McCandless michael@prismbiz.com From brentjameson at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 15:14:12 2009 From: brentjameson at gmail.com (Brent Jameson) Date: Wed Mar 4 00:39:09 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Anyone use KTorrent? In-Reply-To: <49ABEF3D.1050906@hpss.de> References: <200902280550.29454.phma@phma.optus.nu> <49ABEF3D.1050906@hpss.de> Message-ID: <5b5eb3190903041214k66666b03x216aac366f748b45@mail.gmail.com> I'm a fan of Torrentflux myself which I think uses bittornado as its client On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Peter Senft wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Pierre, > > Pierre Abbat wrote: > > I have some questions which probably can be answered only by someone > who's > > more into torrenting than I am. E.g. Why does "Parts of the torrent whi= ch > are > > available" show a random barcode on a torrent I'm seeding? > > I don't know which KTorrent you use. If it is the one from any 4.x > version it could be a bug. 4.x is not really stable... > > Peter > > - -- > | Peter Senft > /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de > \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 > X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 > / \ | Powered by Debian Linux > | #185651 http://counter.li.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJq+898C47DFW4ANMRAuhrAJ9qr6xLoV3LGH/tiH4lZsX2Q85O9ACgrMkk > lWbftS7jHE4hSDCCtRYHB/E=3D > =3Dfhwl > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = M. Brent Jameson brentjameson@gmail.com (864)909-3781 _ _,---._ ,-',' `-.___ /-;' `._ /\/ ._ _,'o \ ( /\ _,--'\,','"`. ) |\ ,'o \' //\ | \ / ,--'""`-. : \_ _/ ,-' `-._ \ `--' / ) `. \`._ ,' ________,',' .--` ,' ,--` __\___,;' \`.,-- ,' ,`_)--' /`.,' \( ; | | ) (`-/ `--'| |) |-/ | | | | | | | |,.,-. | |_ | `./ / )---` ) _| / ,', ,-' -hrr- ,'|_( /-<._,' |--, | `--'---. \/ \ | / \ /\ \ ,-^---._ | \ / \ \ ,-' \----' \/ \--`. / \ \ \ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090304/0a2b8d85/att= achment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Fri Mar 6 20:29:50 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Fri Mar 6 06:06:05 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Killing time in Charlotte this weekend and Monday. In-Reply-To: <5e1cbafe4a0ad0c53174d8f71cf4ea29.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> References: <5e1cbafe4a0ad0c53174d8f71cf4ea29.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> Message-ID: Normally when I have been in Charlotte, I have stayed at the Westin, and spent 100% of my time with client and sales dweebs. Ughh.. no fun. But it's what us geeks do to make a living. I have no clue what else is in Charlotte. This weekend is different, my WIFE has a Sunday meeting (2-4) Monday lunch and Monday Dinner meeting in Charlotte, I am the driver and a fashion accessory at the Monday night dinner. WooHoo! We are staying in/near "South Park", and I need: 1. Some kewl friendly coffee shop or such with good WiFi to hang out in and get some work done, Mostly Sunday and Monday. 2. Something fun to do with my wife (sociable, fun loving) Saturday afternoon - Monday. On her list is: UNC Botanical Gardens Reedy Creek Nature Center and Preserve 3. Some geeky intelligent fun conversation or activity. Anyone up for a casual non-official meeting either Sunday or Monday? Caffiene/Alcohol? 4. Any really odd kewl places to visit Saturday night? Open minded, freaky, techno-trance, hippy clubs? Punk rock, speed metal or ambient space music? Just in case anyone wants to get together at the last minute: cell: 423-605-6943 I'm a bald geeky looking guy with a bright reddish orange laptop bag that says: GeekLabs on it. What am I? Hmm... not much of a clue, but I spend a lot of time in Xterm and like people that can hold a conversation and smile a lot. From phma at phma.optus.nu Fri Mar 6 21:21:44 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Fri Mar 6 06:58:03 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Killing time in Charlotte this weekend and Monday. In-Reply-To: References: <5e1cbafe4a0ad0c53174d8f71cf4ea29.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> Message-ID: <200903062121.46696.phma@phma.optus.nu> > We are staying in/near "South Park", and I need: > > 1. Some kewl friendly coffee shop or such with good WiFi > to hang out in and get some work done, Mostly Sunday > and Monday. All the Paneras in town have WiFi. > 2. Something fun to do with my wife (sociable, fun loving) > Saturday afternoon - Monday. > On her list is: > UNC Botanical Gardens > Reedy Creek Nature Center and Preserve Sounds like you have the weekend all plant out - how about the rainforest at Discovery Place? > 3. Some geeky intelligent fun conversation or activity. > Anyone up for a casual non-official meeting either > Sunday or Monday? Caffiene/Alcohol? I'll probably be up for a meeting sometime Sunday or Monday. I have to catch up on homework, but I could take some time out. I have to buy some food on Sunday, so let me know first if you'd like to get together then. > What am I? Hmm... not much of a clue, but I spend a > lot of time in Xterm and like people that can hold > a conversation and smile a lot. I spend a lot of time in KDE, but I have a Konsole on every desktop. I have trouble with multi-person conversation, but with just two people I can handle it. I play guitar, banjo, concertina, and some other instruments. Check out http://wikitravel.org/en/Charlotte and see if it helps. Pierre From meuon at geeklabs.com Sat Mar 7 07:22:30 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Fri Mar 6 17:40:45 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Killing time in Charlotte this weekend and Monday. In-Reply-To: <200903062121.46696.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <5e1cbafe4a0ad0c53174d8f71cf4ea29.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> <200903062121.46696.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: >> 1. Some kewl friendly coffee shop or such with good WiFi >> to hang out in and get some work done, Mostly Sunday >> and Monday. > > All the Paneras in town have WiFi. As do most Krystal's.. Still not fun places to hang for a day or two.. In Chattanooga I'd send you to "The Stone Cup" and "GreyFriars". Both places where you might meet a fellow *nix head, or at least some nice people and fall into a game of chess or socio-theo-political discussion. > Check out http://wikitravel.org/en/Charlotte and see if it helps. That was some help.. a pretty good overview. thanks. We'll go check out "NoDa" and possibly go see why the "Penguin" Restuarant is legendary. With a name like that... Laughing.. From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 08:09:22 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (bobevans19@gmail.com) Date: Fri Mar 6 17:45:34 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Killing time in Charlotte this weekend and Monday. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001636163f371f92d00464871cb2@google.com> I enjoy myself at ANY Dilworth Coffee Shop, and ANY Graduate bar... On Mar 7, 2009 7:22am, Mike Harrison wrote: > 1. Some kewl friendly coffee shop or such with good WiFi > to hang out in and get some work done, Mostly Sunday > and Monday. > All the Paneras in town have WiFi. > As do most Krystal's.. Still not fun places to hang for a day > or two.. In Chattanooga I'd send you to "The Stone Cup" > and "GreyFriars". Both places where you might meet a fellow > *nix head, or at least some nice people and fall into a game of chess > or socio-theo-political discussion. > Check out http://wikitravel.org/en/Charlotte and see if it helps. > That was some help.. a pretty good overview. thanks. We'll go check = > out "NoDa" and possibly go see why the "Penguin" Restuarant is legendary. > With a name like that... Laughing.. > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From nkr1ptd at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 09:05:43 2009 From: nkr1ptd at gmail.com (nkr1ptd) Date: Sun Mar 8 18:41:51 2009 Subject: [Charlug] unemployeed Message-ID: The company I work for has announced it is closing its doors. I will be working the next couple months as we work to decommission all the equipment. So I am an out placed security manager. On the brighter side, I have decided to move on and start my own business. Please check out www.originalsyntheticoil.com If you or anyone you know needs an oil change let me know. What I am really looking for is companies that use petroleum based lubricants so I can show them how they can purchase American made synthtetic oil to save them money and put the money into our country instead of overseas. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me. Thanks, -brandon -- = ------------------------- People have a tendency to do the things they hate the most, but somehow the only time they never see it is when they are looking in the mirror. - Brandon L Newport -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090309/72a1430e/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 11:55:32 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Mar 8 21:31:39 2009 Subject: [Charlug] unemployeed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903090855m77280978r490c863a0727a1a4@mail.gmail.com> Brandon We need to talk. Bob On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, nkr1ptd wrote: > The company I work for has announced it is closing its doors. I will be > working the next couple months as we work to decommission all the > equipment. So I am an out placed security manager. > > On the brighter side, I have decided to move on and start my own business. > Please check out www.originalsyntheticoil.com If you or anyone you know > needs an oil change let me know. What I am really looking for is compani= es > that use petroleum based lubricants so I can show them how they can purch= ase > American made synthtetic oil to save them money and put the money into our > country instead of overseas. > > If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me. > > Thanks, > > -brandon > > -- > ------------------------- > People have a tendency to do the things they hate the most, but somehow t= he > only time they never see it is when they are looking in the mirror. - > Brandon L Newport > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > -- = If not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled. - P. G. Wodehouse Daily Universal Resource Locator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei "Work shall set you free" --slogan at the entrance to many Nazi death camps... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090309/3e71848d/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 09:58:06 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Mon Mar 9 19:34:12 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Fwd: [501TechClub Triangle] March 12th TriLUG meeting - Geographic Information Systems In-Reply-To: <49B665B5.5060702@email.unc.edu> References: <49B665B5.5060702@email.unc.edu> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903100658x2c22cac5kc05f939783a21fd5@mail.gmail.com> Pardon the cross posting. If you are in Raleigh Thursday night... OR if you want to car pool??? -be ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Judy Hallman Date: Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM Subject: [501TechClub Triangle] March 12th TriLUG meeting - Geographic Information Systems To: Triangle NetTuesday , 501techclub-triangle@groups.nten.org, itpro-60@meetup.com Cc: Alan Porter To Triangle Net Tuesday/501 Tech Club and IT Professionals lists: I checked with TriLUG folks to see if it was OK to forward this meeting announcement, and they said "By all means, we'd love to have you join us!" This is a very friendly group. They usually have pizza -- donations are encouraged. When I've gone to meetings at Red Hat, I didn't have any trouble finding the office or parking. Judy -------- Original Message -------- WHAT: March TriLUG meeting WHEN: Thursday, March 12th, 7:00pm WHERE: Red Hat HQ, NCSU Centennial Campus MAP: http://www.redhat.com/about/contact/ww/americas/raleigh.html This month, our very own Doug Newcomb will give us an introduction to the fascinating world of Geographic Information Systems. It's the ultimate form of representing the world around us using computers. Literally, we're mapping out our entire planet for use online. We've all used Google Maps and Mapquest. But have you heard of the collaborative effort at OpenStreetMap.org [1] to produce a complete map of the world, entirely from user-contributed data? Closer to home, we might use the local land records web sites: Wake County IMAPS [2], Durham GIS web [3] or the Chatham County GIS [4]. See how open source software and free-license data fit into these systems (or not). And now, consumers with TomTom GPS's can share map updates with other users using TomTom Home "map share" [5]. Again, people helping people, correcting the data that they know about best, close to their homes. On Thursday night, Doug will tell us about a variety of GIS projects, both commercial and open source, with proprietary and open sources of map data. See you all there. Alan [1] http://openstreetmap.org/ [2] http://imaps.co.wake.nc.us/imaps [3] http://gisweb2.ci.durham.nc.us/sdx/ [4] http://www.chathamgis.com/ [5] http://www.tomtom.com/page/mapshare/ ~~~----~~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ Affinity Group Links: =95 To reply to sender (Judy Hallman): hallman@email.unc.edu =95 To view sender's profile: http://groups.nten.org/profile.htm?mode=3Dvp&pid=3D5251 =95 To visit this affinity group on the web, go to: http://groups.nten.org/group.htm?igid=3D6691 =95 To send email to entire affinity group: 501techclub-triangle@groups.nten.org =95 To email the affinity group moderator(s) (Chris, Judy, Holly): 501techclub-triangle-moderator@groups.nten.org =95 Stop email from this affinity group: 501techclub-triangle-unsubscribe@groups.nten.org =95 Remove yourself from this affinity group: 501techclub-triangle-remove@groups.nten.org =95 UNSUBSCRIBE or change delivery settings (via the Web): http://groups.nten.org/p.htm?m=3Dqs&em=3Dbobevans19@gmail.com&sk=3DDS13iz Powered by GoLightly, NTEN's collaboration and community platform. http://www.golightly.com/ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~~~~-~--~ -- = If not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled. - P. 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Ground Floor Food Court (Follow signs to "Subway") ????????????? Levine Campus - Central Piedmont Community College We are still trying to determine the meeting agenda.... PLEASE provide your idea(s) for this meeting. -- Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no exceptions to this rule. ?- Stephen King If not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled. ?- P. G. Wodehouse Daily Universal Resource Locator: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeit_macht_frei "Work shall set you free" --slogan at the entrance to many Nazi death camps... From phma at phma.optus.nu Sun Mar 15 09:58:05 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Sat Mar 14 19:34:04 2009 Subject: [Charlug] mail filtering programs Message-ID: <200903150958.07345.phma@phma.optus.nu> I tried Procmail, but found the syntax incomprehensible. I currently use Yample, but it's not versatile enough. There appears to be no way to filter on the message body or to run a message through a program, other than Spamassassin or spamc, and then filter the output. What other filtering programs are there, and how are they? Pierre From boomfish at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 16:41:58 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Sun Mar 15 02:17:41 2009 Subject: [Charlug] mail filtering programs In-Reply-To: <200903150958.07345.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200903150958.07345.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <49BD6816.2040300@gmail.com> I had never heard of Yample before, so I took a look and found it is a Perl script that uses Perl Mailtools. Mailtools is extremely versatile, so it is more a matter of Yample's author not requiring any more features of it than of your desired features being too hard to implement in Yample. If the only features you find lacking in Yample is matching on message bodies and running messages through other programs, just about any Perl hacker could add those features to Yample for you. They might even be able to get those enhancements incorporated into the upstream version of Yample, although it looks like nobody has touched the source in 5 years. I don't know if any user-friendly Message Delivery Agents that support regex matching of body contents in filter conditions. Procmail is the only MDA I know of that supports it, and it's certainly not user-friendly. Dennis On 3/15/2009 1:58 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I tried Procmail, but found the syntax incomprehensible. I currently use > Yample, but it's not versatile enough. There appears to be no way to filter > on the message body or to run a message through a program, other than > Spamassassin or spamc, and then filter the output. What other filtering > programs are there, and how are they? > From boomfish at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 18:36:51 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Sun Mar 15 04:12:35 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Meeting Idea: Modding a simple Linux NAS Message-ID: <49BD8303.9090107@gmail.com> Does anyone here have a soldering iron and know how to use it? If so, I would like your help in adding pins to the PCB of a Linux-based NAS I own so I can connect a serial console to it. It would also be nice if a multimeter were available during the process to check the pin signals. Assuming that one or more of this group's members can help me, I think the next CharLUG meeting would make a good time and place to get together to work on my NAS. I believe the modification can be completed in an hour. Afterwards we can have a discussion on what such a device might be useful for. If you want to know more about why I want to mod my NAS, read on... Late last year I bought a KuroBox HG on eBay. A Kuro Box is a NAS manufactured from similar components as the Buffalo Linkstation, but modified to make it easier for the owner to replace the firmware with custom Linux firmware. You can read more about the Kuro Box at http://buffalo.nas-central.org/wiki/Category:Kurobox. A few weeks ago I was successful in replacing the box's proprietary bootloader with Das U-Boot, an open-source bootloader that supports my Kuro Box. This was a significant step because U-Boot is required to run 2.6-based kernels on my NAS. U-Boot also provides a console accessible via netcat to help with troubleshooting if a serial console is not available. I then proceeded to follow the instructions for installing the 2007 PPC Gentoo distribution. After extracting the distribution files onto the NAS and rebooting the device I opened the netconsole and watched its output. I saw the messages for loading the kernel and watched the kernel detect and initialize the various devices on the Kurobox until the point when it resets the NIC, which forces the netconsole to disconnect. All this was normal behaviour according to the instructions: I just had to wait a minute or two for the NAS to finish booting and I would be able to connect. So I waited, and waited, and waited ... nothing. The NAS was supposed to use DHCP to get an address and fall back to 192.168.11.150 if it failed, but it appeared to do neither of those things. Rebooting into Emergency Mode gave me a shell prompt again, so I know the device was still functioning. Rebooting normally showed the same messages as before on the netconsole, with the same final result: nothing. At this point, the only way for me to see what the device is doing after it resets the NIC is to attach a serial console. I have an old Windows CE tablet which works well as a serial terminal, and I also have an RS232-to-TTL converter to perform the proper signal conversion. Unfortunately the PCB for my Kuro Box has 4 holes where the TTL pinouts normally go, so I need to solder pins or wires at those points before I can connect a serial console to the Kuro Box. Since this mod is for troubleshooting only, I'm not looking for modding the case to add an RS232 connector: I'll leave the case off the NAS while I'm debugging, and disconnect the wires before putting the case back on when I'm done. Once I know what the problem is, I can boot into Emergency Mode, make the required changes to the system, and reboot. With a little bit of skill and luck I should have a working Linux OS running on my NAS. -- Dennis From phma at phma.optus.nu Wed Mar 18 22:56:06 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Wed Mar 18 08:31:47 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? Message-ID: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> I looked at the calendar at work, and there is still a Tuesday night meeting on the schedule. Is anyone up for reviving it? I am available; my classes are on Monday and Wednesday nights. Pierre From bobevans19 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 05:14:30 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Wed Mar 18 14:50:07 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? In-Reply-To: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> I can do uesday or Thursday nights if we can get a place. We've had good luck @ Levine CPCC on Saturdays... Can we meet at downtown CPCC yet? I know there was big construction on Elizabeth street for the flux capacitor factory... Is that work still going on? If not, I suggest that we get some numbers for how many people can meet... Maybe go offlist to the FORUMs??? ($00.02 worth from Evans/Bob/government ID #032-19-8765...) -be On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I looked at the calendar at work, and there is still a Tuesday night > meeting > on the schedule. Is anyone up for reviving it? I am available; my classes > are > on Monday and Wednesday nights. > > Pierre > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no exceptions to this rule. - Stephen King I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090319/aaf15a65/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Thu Mar 19 07:00:22 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Wed Mar 18 16:36:04 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> Can't do weeknights, seldom can do Saturdays. Forums get less of my time than e-mail. On the other hand I see lots of stuff that can be done and needs doing; just lacking willing hands and time. 1. The Charlotte Python group seems run by Dinesh the recruiter and some porn stuff. 2. RHCE salaries are better than non-RHCE salaries, how many folks are serious about earning one? 3. Debian and *buntu are going strong and the latter has serious desktop value for non-nerds. How much is CharLUG spreading the word? 4. SQLite, Subversion, and maybe other really successful applications have authors or core developers in the local area (yeah Richard and Michael, I'm looking at you); how much are we capitalizing on that? 5. Off and on folks have done stuff with old hardware. Now that the economy has tanked and old stuff can be more useful, what is happening in that space? 6. Here's a great site, or three. Okay, four... http://www.nycbug.org/ http://www.nyphp.org/ http://kerneltrap.org/ http://kernelnewbies.org/ 7. How much change hath BarCamp Charlotte made? It was a great event but have the ripples ceased or become waves of positive? Linux provides either a dwaddling place for the esoteric elitist or a tool to amplify personal capabilities. Your choice. :) My personal plan is simple; feed, clothe, and shelter my family. I've been doing that via Linux for nearly a decade and through techno-geekery for over a quarter century. In 2009 I am going to use Fedora and CentOS to get my RHCE skills current and pass the test. I am further going to encourage the "inner geek" in others via my writing on http://linuxsystemadministrator.com/ and whatever other venues I can find. What are you folks doing with Linux? Leam From cmpilato at red-bean.com Thu Mar 19 09:51:18 2009 From: cmpilato at red-bean.com (C. Michael Pilato) Date: Wed Mar 18 19:26:58 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? In-Reply-To: <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> Message-ID: <49C24DD6.3090306@red-bean.com> Leam Hall wrote: > 1. The Charlotte Python group seems run by Dinesh the recruiter and some > porn stuff. Huh? (Can you say this again with different words?) > 4. SQLite, Subversion, and maybe other really successful applications > have authors or core developers in the local area (yeah Richard and > Michael, I'm looking at you); how much are we capitalizing on that? Ahem. I don't know what it feels like to be capitalized upon, but if it's anything like a back massage, count me in! -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ From leam at reuel.net Thu Mar 19 10:06:39 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Wed Mar 18 19:42:20 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? In-Reply-To: <49C24DD6.3090306@red-bean.com> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> <49C24DD6.3090306@red-bean.com> Message-ID: <49C2516F.7050906@reuel.net> C. Michael Pilato wrote: > Leam Hall wrote: >> 1. The Charlotte Python group seems run by Dinesh the recruiter and some >> porn stuff. > > Huh? (Can you say this again with different words?) Sure: http://groups.google.com/group/charpy >> 4. SQLite, Subversion, and maybe other really successful applications >> have authors or core developers in the local area (yeah Richard and >> Michael, I'm looking at you); how much are we capitalizing on that? > > Ahem. I don't know what it feels like to be capitalized upon, but if it's > anything like a back massage, count me in! Well...lots of ways to interpret that, I guess. :P There are two major version control systems that have people's attention, Subversion and Git. CVS is a good third because of AnonCVS access on many projects but localized stuff tends to be Subversion and Linux kernel (et al) in Git. On the one hand, the Internet is great for building international communities. On the other, there are things you don't normally communicate about on-line. Face time is good in the latter case and buying someone a soda/coffee/beer when they're really down does more than a snippet of code amongst dozens more. Fifteen minutes of explaining Subversion at work beats a chapter or three of most books when someone is learning. My theory, subject to facts, is that the localized *UG community can operate in personable ways to support our existing project folks and inspire more of us to grow in capabilities and competence. Here are some examples: 1. Subversion pizza party. We skim a few tutorials, show up with some pie, and gets a hands on course in putting something honking big into subversion, making changes, etc. All those things you need to do in real life at work to show the tool's awesomeness. 2. Use SVN and SQLite in local stuff so we get more hands on with it, and can then evangelize the unwashed masses. Mentor junior geeks where appropriate, publish stuff as learning and marketing. That make any sense? Leam From bobevans19 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 10:19:42 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Wed Mar 18 19:55:20 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Here's the updated meeting thingey..... Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903190719g2b7c2100r241f9fae0a1acd0c@mail.gmail.com> Welcome to CharLUG! [image: Edit] ( Public ) Bob Evans says... The March Meetings of the Charlotte GNU/Linux Users Group will be held on the fourth Tuesday and the fourth Saturday of March. TUESDAY NIGHT MEETING When: March 24, 2009 18:00 to 20:00 Where: Levine Building I Ground Floor Food Court (Follow signs to "Subway") Levine Campus - Central Piedmont Community College When: March 28, 2009 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM Where: Levine Building I Ground Floor Food Court (Follow signs to "Subway") Levine Campus - Central Piedmont Community College -- = Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no exceptions to this rule. - Stephen King I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090319/2ac8bd7d/att= achment.htm From cmpilato at red-bean.com Thu Mar 19 10:49:18 2009 From: cmpilato at red-bean.com (C. Michael Pilato) Date: Wed Mar 18 20:24:59 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? In-Reply-To: <49C2516F.7050906@reuel.net> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> <49C24DD6.3090306@red-bean.com> <49C2516F.7050906@reuel.net> Message-ID: <49C25B6E.60301@red-bean.com> Leam Hall wrote: > C. Michael Pilato wrote: >> Leam Hall wrote: >>> 1. The Charlotte Python group seems run by Dinesh the recruiter and some >>> porn stuff. >> >> Huh? (Can you say this again with different words?) > > Sure: http://groups.google.com/group/charpy Ah. I see. (Thanks.) > My theory, subject to facts, is that the localized *UG community can > operate in personable ways to support our existing project folks and > inspire more of us to grow in capabilities and competence. > > Here are some examples: > > 1. Subversion pizza party. We skim a few tutorials, show up with some > pie, and gets a hands on course in putting something honking big into > subversion, making changes, etc. All those things you need to do in real > life at work to show the tool's awesomeness. > > 2. Use SVN and SQLite in local stuff so we get more hands on with it, > and can then evangelize the unwashed masses. Mentor junior geeks where > appropriate, publish stuff as learning and marketing. > > That make any sense? Sure. Certainly I have reason to believe that Subversion is present, if only in small, not-sanctioned-by-the-CTO-type installations in a majority of organizations of all sizes. So, in theory, there's a potentially huge audience of folks who would appreciate face-to-face contact with someone who is as closely tied to Subversion's use and development as I am. But Subversion also has a pretty flat learning curve. Do you think a "Subversion pizza party" would find success and bring real value to its attendees? Are people struggling with how to make this tool work for them? Maybe I overestimate how easy it is to become a Subversion expert, and underestimate the level of general interest in Subversion as a discussion topic. That's the flip-side of being "on the inside" of the community, I guess. I am always willing to speak about Subversion, demo it, and field questions about its use, strengths and limitations. I guess I've been assuming that talks and events aimed at Subversion newbies (covering the basics) would be mostly wasted for lack of newbies, and that talks and events aimed at growing new Subversion experts are just hard to organize because once you're at that stage, the types of things one person cares about learning could vary wildly from what the next guy cares about learning. Thoughts? (Interesting side note: as of the soon-to-occur 1.6.0 release, Subversion now uses SQLite for some of its storage. Fancy that.) -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ From leam at reuel.net Thu Mar 19 11:24:43 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Wed Mar 18 21:00:24 2009 Subject: [Charlug] SVN and other stuff (wuz: Tuesday night meetings) In-Reply-To: <49C25B6E.60301@red-bean.com> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> <49C24DD6.3090306@red-bean.com> <49C2516F.7050906@reuel.net> <49C25B6E.60301@red-bean.com> Message-ID: <49C263BB.4030806@reuel.net> C. Michael Pilato wrote: > Sure. Certainly I have reason to believe that Subversion is present, if > only in small, not-sanctioned-by-the-CTO-type installations in a majority of > organizations of all sizes. So, in theory, there's a potentially huge > audience of folks who would appreciate face-to-face contact with someone who > is as closely tied to Subversion's use and development as I am. But > Subversion also has a pretty flat learning curve. Do you think a > "Subversion pizza party" would find success and bring real value to its > attendees? Are people struggling with how to make this tool work for them? > > Maybe I overestimate how easy it is to become a Subversion expert, and > underestimate the level of general interest in Subversion as a discussion > topic. That's the flip-side of being "on the inside" of the community, I guess. > > I am always willing to speak about Subversion, demo it, and field questions > about its use, strengths and limitations. I guess I've been assuming that > talks and events aimed at Subversion newbies (covering the basics) would be > mostly wasted for lack of newbies, and that talks and events aimed at > growing new Subversion experts are just hard to organize because once you're > at that stage, the types of things one person cares about learning could > vary wildly from what the next guy cares about learning. > > Thoughts? > I've seen SVN in lots of places and with the knowledge of both technical and business leaders. It has generally failed to gain traction because the internal advocates cannot demonstrate, within a reasonable amount of time and effort, that SVN can solve enterprise issues. The issue is less in the abilities of SVN but in the talents of the internal advocates in making it work past the simple parts. How do you coordinate 27 different teams? How do you decentralize group policies but centralize backups and access? How do you get reasonable requirements from the user community and answer there questions without impacting your other task assignments? The sad part is that SVN will lose to a commercial product that performs poorly. Additionally, a new internal team will have to be formed to support the commercial product, lots of consulting dollars will be spent with the vendor, and the COTS doesn't integrate into anything else already in use. So the pizza party is not a newbie event but "SVN meets the Enterprise". Participants should probably come with some SVN experience and skills, and the projected task discussed beforehand. That way folks get their brains engaged on an enormous task early and you can skip the first 45 minutes of problem introduction. Leam From phma at phma.optus.nu Thu Mar 19 11:29:07 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Wed Mar 18 21:04:48 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Here's the updated meeting thingey..... In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903190719g2b7c2100r241f9fae0a1acd0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190903190719g2b7c2100r241f9fae0a1acd0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903191129.08265.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Thursday 19 March 2009 10:19:42 Bob Evans wrote: > TUESDAY NIGHT MEETING > > When: March 24, 2009 > 18:00 to 20:00 > > Where: Levine Building I > > Ground Floor Food Court (Follow signs to "Subway") > > Levine Campus - Central Piedmont Community College I was hoping it would be at Baucom-Davis, which is where I saw it on the calendar. Levine is a long way for me to go, and on the 24th I'm likely to have several surveys to draw and can't spend four hours going there and back. Pierre From derek.newland at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 11:43:13 2009 From: derek.newland at gmail.com (Derek Newland) Date: Wed Mar 18 21:18:50 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Here's the updated meeting thingey..... In-Reply-To: <200903191129.08265.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <7c5cd1190903190719g2b7c2100r241f9fae0a1acd0c@mail.gmail.com> <200903191129.08265.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <9c274a050903190843g1448fdefs1bacbd1ea4c4d58b@mail.gmail.com> Weeknight meeting work great for me, I can actually make it to them! =) -- Thanks, Derek Newland derek.newland@gmail.com From cmpilato at red-bean.com Thu Mar 19 11:54:14 2009 From: cmpilato at red-bean.com (C. Michael Pilato) Date: Wed Mar 18 21:29:52 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? NEW TOPIC : SPEAKERS In-Reply-To: <501D187F-1C78-4B7B-8275-2BBFE7304B7A@yahoo.com> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> <49C24DD6.3090306@red-bean.com> <49C2516F.7050906@reuel.net> <49C25B6E.60301@red-bean.com> <501D187F-1C78-4B7B-8275-2BBFE7304B7A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49C26AA6.5060508@red-bean.com> bobevans19@yahoo.com wrote: > On a much more selfish note, being the army volunteer to get meeting > speakers: When can we schedule you to speak on Subversion (again)? The last time I spoke on Subversion in Charlotte, it was to the joint Python and Perl LUGs. The talk itself missed the mark, I think -- *everybody* there was already a Subversion user. But the following discussion was good, especially since the other speaker was talking about SVK (the decentralized VC system built atop Subversion). What would folks be interested in hearing about, Subversion-wise? The highlights of the 1.6.0 release (which is due out in, like, a week)? Highlights from 1.5.0 and 1.6.0? Demos of specific features (sparse checkouts, merge tracking, etc.)? Some combination of the above? -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ From llslim at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:23:10 2009 From: llslim at gmail.com (Kevin Williams) Date: Wed Mar 18 21:58:51 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? In-Reply-To: <49C2516F.7050906@reuel.net> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> <49C24DD6.3090306@red-bean.com> <49C2516F.7050906@reuel.net> Message-ID: <6e765c6e0903190923t503f0b7j63af3d41791853fb@mail.gmail.com> I would say Distributed Source Control Management (DSCM) and SVN. I don't mean to start a flame war or anything, Git/Mercurial/bazzar (others as well) have all founnd their nitch. As a frequently mercurial user, I found it very useful. Even using it to float code upstream to a SVN store. All implementations of DSCMS do basically same function, and all have facilities to interact with SVN. I feel the DSCMS (client) / SVN (server) model will only grow stronger where developer's local or frontend SCM stores are becoming integral to their dev environment. We could list the "common" task before the meeting through the mailing list, and discuss the different approaches we use with our favorite SCM. Naturally depending on the project we choose, and the tasks there will be advantages and disadvantages to each, but it will be fun to tackle the problem together over pizza. -- Shem Hotep ("I go in peace") -Kevin D. Williams "Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. -- April 4, 1967 On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > C. Michael Pilato wrote: > >> Leam Hall wrote: >> >>> 1. The Charlotte Python group seems run by Dinesh the recruiter and some >>> porn stuff. >>> >> >> Huh? (Can you say this again with different words?) >> > > Sure: http://groups.google.com/group/charpy > > > 4. SQLite, Subversion, and maybe other really successful applications >>> have authors or core developers in the local area (yeah Richard and >>> Michael, I'm looking at you); how much are we capitalizing on that? >>> >> >> Ahem. I don't know what it feels like to be capitalized upon, but if it= 's >> anything like a back massage, count me in! >> > > Well...lots of ways to interpret that, I guess. :P > > There are two major version control systems that have people's attention, > Subversion and Git. CVS is a good third because of AnonCVS access on many > projects but localized stuff tends to be Subversion and Linux kernel (et = al) > in Git. > > On the one hand, the Internet is great for building international > communities. On the other, there are things you don't normally communicate > about on-line. Face time is good in the latter case and buying someone a > soda/coffee/beer when they're really down does more than a snippet of code > amongst dozens more. Fifteen minutes of explaining Subversion at work bea= ts > a chapter or three of most books when someone is learning. > > My theory, subject to facts, is that the localized *UG community can > operate in personable ways to support our existing project folks and insp= ire > more of us to grow in capabilities and competence. > > Here are some examples: > > 1. Subversion pizza party. We skim a few tutorials, show up with some pie, > and gets a hands on course in putting something honking big into subversi= on, > making changes, etc. All those things you need to do in real life at work= to > show the tool's awesomeness. > > 2. Use SVN and SQLite in local stuff so we get more hands on with it, and > can then evangelize the unwashed masses. Mentor junior geeks where > appropriate, publish stuff as learning and marketing. > > That make any sense? > > Leam > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090319/50dacffb/att= achment.htm From cmpilato at red-bean.com Thu Mar 19 12:30:15 2009 From: cmpilato at red-bean.com (C. Michael Pilato) Date: Wed Mar 18 22:05:53 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? In-Reply-To: <6e765c6e0903190923t503f0b7j63af3d41791853fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> <49C24DD6.3090306@red-bean.com> <49C2516F.7050906@reuel.net> <6e765c6e0903190923t503f0b7j63af3d41791853fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C27317.6060701@red-bean.com> Kevin Williams wrote: > I would say Distributed Source Control Management (DSCM) and SVN. (I agree, but didn't want to split hairs. The jury is still out on which DSCM will percolate up as the clear winner amongst DSCMs.) -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ From chipper at llamas.net Thu Mar 19 12:37:55 2009 From: chipper at llamas.net (Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio) Date: Wed Mar 18 22:13:54 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? In-Reply-To: <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> Message-ID: <20090319163755.GA15387@chipsworld.llamas.net> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 07:00:22AM -0400, Leam Hall wrote: > 2. RHCE salaries are better than non-RHCE salaries, how many folks are > serious about earning one? Just got mine and I if there are enough folks out there that are serious about persuing this cert we could organize topical study session. Chip -- ------ **** Warning **** This e-mail message, without warrant or warning, and despite US law as set forth in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, may be subject to monitoring by the United States National Security Agency and/or the Department of Defense. Information contained in this message may be used against any senders or recipients, now or in the future, in a public trial or secret tribunal. Please encrypt anything important. PGP Key: http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x6CFA486D From bobevans19 at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 13:58:35 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Wed Mar 18 23:34:23 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Here's the updated meeting thingey..... In-Reply-To: <9c274a050903190843g1448fdefs1bacbd1ea4c4d58b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190903190719g2b7c2100r241f9fae0a1acd0c@mail.gmail.com> <200903191129.08265.phma@phma.optus.nu> <9c274a050903190843g1448fdefs1bacbd1ea4c4d58b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903191058t6507b599q2462faa63301a6a5@mail.gmail.com> Where is Baucom/Davis? 2009/3/19 Derek Newland > Weeknight meeting work great for me, I can actually make it to them! =3D) > > > -- > Thanks, > Derek Newland > derek.newland@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no exceptions to this rule. - Stephen King I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200903191455.28436.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <7c5cd1190903190719g2b7c2100r241f9fae0a1acd0c@mail.gmail.com> <9c274a050903190843g1448fdefs1bacbd1ea4c4d58b@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190903191058t6507b599q2462faa63301a6a5@mail.gmail.com> <200903191455.28436.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903191202i287533efoa79da935731c9e16@mail.gmail.com> OK. I will update the web page for Tuesday Meeting to be Baucom/Davis... If everyone agrees. Is 6-8 PM also correct? -be 2009/3/19 Pierre Abbat > On Thursday 19 March 2009 13:58:35 Bob Evans wrote: > > Where is Baucom/Davis? > > Near I-85 and Sugar Creek. www.baucom-davis.com > > Pierre > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no exceptions to this rule. - Stephen King I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090319/2a49cb1e/att= achment.htm From peter.senft at hpss.de Thu Mar 19 22:29:41 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Thu Mar 19 08:05:21 2009 Subject: [Charlug] SVN and other stuff (wuz: Tuesday night meetings) In-Reply-To: <49C263BB.4030806@reuel.net> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> <49C24DD6.3090306@red-bean.com> <49C2516F.7050906@reuel.net> <49C25B6E.60301@red-bean.com> <49C263BB.4030806@reuel.net> Message-ID: <49C2FF95.2090807@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, in general I like SVN and use it for a long time in my own projects. And I don't like the fact that we are still using CVS at work which causes some trouble at least once a week (Our project manager thought it is too much work to convert...). But just pushing and supporting SVN is IMHO wrong. Especially in bigger projects with developers in different locations a distributed version control system is a much better choice. And SVK is definitely not a good choice in that case although it is based on SVN. So I think it is better to show different VCS or DVCS and show their strengths and weaknesses. A nice comparison of DVCS's: https://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/dvcs-round-one-system-rule-them-all-part-1 https://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/dvcs-roundup-one-system-rule-them-all-part-2 https://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/dvcs-round-one-system-rule-them-all-part-3 https://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/blog-entry/dvcs-follow-what-about-managing-python-repository cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJwv+V8C47DFW4ANMRAtiAAJ9K0NWiO6KxGtDJfVC9NY6meYwuCQCfc75Q Ip3J4vjkcqX2ZqWfO1dOM4Q= =rvTJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From phma at phma.optus.nu Thu Mar 19 23:43:14 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Thu Mar 19 09:18:54 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Here's the updated meeting thingey..... In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903191202i287533efoa79da935731c9e16@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190903190719g2b7c2100r241f9fae0a1acd0c@mail.gmail.com> <200903191455.28436.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903191202i287533efoa79da935731c9e16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903192343.15332.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Thursday 19 March 2009 15:02:31 Bob Evans wrote: > OK. I will update the web page for Tuesday Meeting to be Baucom/Davis... > > If everyone agrees. > > Is 6-8 PM also correct? I don't know (I've been doing a complicated drawing and didn't look at the calendar again), but you'd better call Pat before updating the webpage, lest a bunch of people show up at his door unexpectedly. He's sick today and tomorrow, so maybe it would be better to resume meeting at BDA next month. Pierre From boomfish at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 13:24:16 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Thu Mar 19 22:59:50 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Boomfish's Linux topic wish list Message-ID: OK, so *nobody *here is excited about my NAS. Fair enough: I'll just figure it out for myself. However, the topics that generate the most interest in this list seem to be involving Linux in the workplace. I only use Linux at home so many of those topics do not really appeal to me. I am not a sysadmin so I have absolutely no interest in RHCE, and I don't work on any projects big enough and with enough contributors to be interested in DSCM vs. SVN (although I would like to get away from VSS at work). So as an alternative to Leam's list, here is a list of topics I would be particularly interested in hearing about: 1. Open-source virtualization software on the desktop. A head-to-head comparison of Zen, OpenVZ, VirtualBox, User-Mode Linux and any other open-source software you can think of for running VMs within a desktop environment. My goal for virtualization on the desktop is to develop code targeted at multiple Linux configurations and to use non-Linux OSs and software. 2. A gentle introduction to SELinux. How do I develop and deploy SELinux targeted policies to isolate high-risk services running on a server in my home network? 3. Wireless mesh networks. WMNs are easier and cheaper to deploy and manage than a wired network of Access Points for providing wireless Inte= rnet connectivity to buildings or even small communities. The economic downtu= rn should provide ample opportunities for commercial and non-commercial applications of WMNs. 4. Linux for home theaters. MythTV, Boxee, Hulu, Netflix, DVD/BD libraries on a NAS, DVRs, Internet Radio, and anything else related to u= sing open-source and networks for home audio and video content. 5. POV-Ray. Not everything we talk about has to be serious. Does any of this strike a chord with anybody here? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090320/9a30a3e9/att= achment.htm From cmpilato at red-bean.com Fri Mar 20 13:45:10 2009 From: cmpilato at red-bean.com (C. Michael Pilato) Date: Thu Mar 19 23:20:51 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Boomfish's Linux topic wish list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C3D626.8040600@red-bean.com> Dennis Clark wrote: > OK, so /nobody /here is excited about my NAS. Fair enough: I'll just > figure it out for myself. > > However, the topics that generate the most interest in this list seem to > be involving Linux in the workplace. I only use Linux at home so many of > those topics do not really appeal to me. I am not a sysadmin so I have > absolutely no interest in RHCE, and I don't work on any projects big > enough and with enough contributors to be interested in DSCM vs. SVN > (although I would like to get away from VSS at work). > > So as an alternative to Leam's list, here is a list of topics I would be > particularly interested in hearing about: > > 1. Open-source virtualization software on the desktop. A head-to-head > comparison of Zen, OpenVZ, VirtualBox, User-Mode Linux and any > other open-source software you can think of for running VMs within > a desktop environment. My goal for virtualization on the desktop > is to develop code targeted at multiple Linux configurations and > to use non-Linux OSs and software. > 2. A gentle introduction to SELinux. How do I develop and deploy > SELinux targeted policies to isolate high-risk services running on > a server in my home network? > 3. Wireless mesh networks. WMNs are easier and cheaper to deploy and > manage than a wired network of Access Points for providing > wireless Internet connectivity to buildings or even small > communities. The economic downturn should provide ample > opportunities for commercial and non-commercial applications of WMNs. > 4. Linux for home theaters. MythTV, Boxee, Hulu, Netflix, DVD/BD > libraries on a NAS, DVRs, Internet Radio, and anything else > related to using open-source and networks for home audio and video > content. > 5. POV-Ray. Not everything we talk about has to be serious. > > Does any of this strike a chord with anybody here? You've done more than strike a chord. You've composed a symphony. I, too, would be interested in several of these topics myself. In general, I'd also like to be able to exchange ideas around what I call a "Windows Abandonment Roadmap". I want to get myself, my wife, my parents, my church, and everybody else I can off of Windows and onto Linux. Today, many open source software programs can get us some percentage of the desired freedom, at some interesting costs in terms of still being to interact with a Windowsful world. I'd like to share/hear ideas about what softwares (either installed or Web-hosted) are best closing that gap. -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 14:39:27 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Mar 20 00:15:08 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Boomfish's Linux topic wish list In-Reply-To: <49C3D626.8040600@red-bean.com> References: <49C3D626.8040600@red-bean.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903201139i1b7ec392pe17bd7b153287ca9@mail.gmail.com> Rather than specifics, why don't we hold an open discussion meeting & talk about the state of Linux, in general? On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:45 PM, C. Michael Pilato w= rote: > Dennis Clark wrote: > > OK, so /nobody /here is excited about my NAS. Fair enough: I'll just > > figure it out for myself. > > > > However, the topics that generate the most interest in this list seem to > > be involving Linux in the workplace. I only use Linux at home so many of > > those topics do not really appeal to me. I am not a sysadmin so I have > > absolutely no interest in RHCE, and I don't work on any projects big > > enough and with enough contributors to be interested in DSCM vs. SVN > > (although I would like to get away from VSS at work). > > > > So as an alternative to Leam's list, here is a list of topics I would be > > particularly interested in hearing about: > > > > 1. Open-source virtualization software on the desktop. A head-to-head > > comparison of Zen, OpenVZ, VirtualBox, User-Mode Linux and any > > other open-source software you can think of for running VMs within > > a desktop environment. My goal for virtualization on the desktop > > is to develop code targeted at multiple Linux configurations and > > to use non-Linux OSs and software. > > 2. A gentle introduction to SELinux. How do I develop and deploy > > SELinux targeted policies to isolate high-risk services running on > > a server in my home network? > > 3. Wireless mesh networks. WMNs are easier and cheaper to deploy and > > manage than a wired network of Access Points for providing > > wireless Internet connectivity to buildings or even small > > communities. The economic downturn should provide ample > > opportunities for commercial and non-commercial applications of > WMNs. > > 4. Linux for home theaters. MythTV, Boxee, Hulu, Netflix, DVD/BD > > libraries on a NAS, DVRs, Internet Radio, and anything else > > related to using open-source and networks for home audio and video > > content. > > 5. POV-Ray. Not everything we talk about has to be serious. > > > > Does any of this strike a chord with anybody here? > > You've done more than strike a chord. You've composed a symphony. I, to= o, > would be interested in several of these topics myself. > > In general, I'd also like to be able to exchange ideas around what I call= a > "Windows Abandonment Roadmap". I want to get myself, my wife, my parents, > my church, and everybody else I can off of Windows and onto Linux. Today, > many open source software programs can get us some percentage of the > desired > freedom, at some interesting costs in terms of still being to interact wi= th > a Windowsful world. I'd like to share/hear ideas about what softwares > (either installed or Web-hosted) are best closing that gap. > > -- > C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no exceptions to this rule. - Stephen King I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090320/3dedeee1/att= achment.htm From Richard.Gardner at S1.com Fri Mar 20 14:41:58 2009 From: Richard.Gardner at S1.com (Richard Gardner) Date: Fri Mar 20 00:17:35 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Boomfish's Linux topic wish list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <095F4DD899C8E841830428E89A0BC73201927009@NRC-EXG04.S1AD.s1.com> Hi everybody, We use svn here at my work. I'm not a developer so I don't deal with it too much, but I'm sure any discussion about it would make me feel more comfortable with it. Aanything that saves me from having to pick up another book would be nice. I'd also be interested in discussion about RHCE, SELinux and Linux home theater setups. Is the final word out on the location of the Tuesday meeting yet? Richard Gardner From: charlug-bounces@charlug.org [mailto:charlug-bounces@charlug.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:24 PM To: Charlotte Linux User Group Subject: [Charlug] Boomfish's Linux topic wish list OK, so nobody here is excited about my NAS. Fair enough: I'll just figure it out for myself. However, the topics that generate the most interest in this list seem to be involving Linux in the workplace. I only use Linux at home so many of those topics do not really appeal to me. I am not a sysadmin so I have absolutely no interest in RHCE, and I don't work on any projects big enough and with enough contributors to be interested in DSCM vs. SVN (although I would like to get away from VSS at work). So as an alternative to Leam's list, here is a list of topics I would be particularly interested in hearing about: 1. Open-source virtualization software on the desktop. A head-to-head comparison of Zen, OpenVZ, VirtualBox, User-Mode Linux and any other open-source software you can think of for running VMs within a desktop environment. My goal for virtualization on the desktop is to develop code targeted at multiple Linux configurations and to use non-Linux OSs and software. 2. A gentle introduction to SELinux. How do I develop and deploy SELinux targeted policies to isolate high-risk services running on a server in my home network? 3. Wireless mesh networks. WMNs are easier and cheaper to deploy and manage than a wired network of Access Points for providing wireless Internet connectivity to buildings or even small communities. The economic downturn should provide ample opportunities for commercial and non-commercial applications of WMNs. 4. Linux for home theaters. MythTV, Boxee, Hulu, Netflix, DVD/BD libraries on a NAS, DVRs, Internet Radio, and anything else related to using open-source and networks for home audio and video content. 5. POV-Ray. Not everything we talk about has to be serious. Does any of this strike a chord with anybody here? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090320/634e0c31/attachment-0001.htm From boomfish at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 15:21:21 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Fri Mar 20 00:56:54 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Boomfish's Linux topic wish list In-Reply-To: <201C7777-65CA-4C80-A8A1-FDF5608D27B8@yahoo.com> References: <201C7777-65CA-4C80-A8A1-FDF5608D27B8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM, bobevans19@yahoo.com wrote: > I reread your post, and am actually very interested. I've been out of town > for a bit, though... > > Can we discuss this at the next meeting? (Either Tuesday night 03/24/09 > or Saturday day 03/28/09 ?) > There's no rush to discuss any of my topics or my NAS. In fact I have a presentation for a web technology conference to prepare (first draft is due in 2 weeks) so it's best if I not get too involved until after I get back in June. I did want to see if was some interest here for topics related to Linux outside of work. If CharLUG turns out to be more of a Linux Professionals Group than a Linux User Group then I may go back to lurking. A work colleague has agreed to help me with the soldering on my NAS so I'm no longer soliciting for assistance in that regard. PS. What is the recommended http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style for this list? I expect to see more interleave posting on a Linux list but we seem to have a lot of top-posting going on as well. Threaded interfaces like Gmail make top-posting more tolerable than they used to be, so it may not make that much of a difference any more. Cheers, Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090320/06284f74/att= achment.htm From mmhamric at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 15:34:39 2009 From: mmhamric at gmail.com (Mark Hamrick) Date: Fri Mar 20 01:10:14 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Boomfish's Linux topic wish list In-Reply-To: References: <201C7777-65CA-4C80-A8A1-FDF5608D27B8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dennis, I run a MythTV server, and use the XBOX 360 to display the recordings. I don't have HD shows playing back on the 360 yet, I would love to know if anyone has that working. Given advance notice I could probably do a demo. VirtualBox I have used heavily, along with Zen. I highly recommend using VirtualBox for normal usage, much lower barrier to entry. I think that CharLUG needs to stay a LUG with Pros in it. The average user is just not interested in discussions of the best methods of deploying 300 jobs over Condor, etc. However, I have had some wonderful conversations with professionals in the LUG, and met a few outside of normal meetings. Thanks, Mark On Mar 20, 2009, at 3:21 PM, Dennis Clark wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM, bobevans19@yahoo.com > wrote: > I reread your post, and am actually very interested. I've been out > of town for a bit, though... > > Can we discuss this at the next meeting? (Either Tuesday night > 03/24/09 or Saturday day 03/28/09 ?) > > There's no rush to discuss any of my topics or my NAS. In fact I > have a presentation for a web technology conference to prepare > (first draft is due in 2 weeks) so it's best if I not get too > involved until after I get back in June. > > I did want to see if was some interest here for topics related to > Linux outside of work. If CharLUG turns out to be more of a Linux > Professionals Group than a Linux User Group then I may go back to > lurking. > > A work colleague has agreed to help me with the soldering on my NAS > so I'm no longer soliciting for assistance in that regard. > > PS. What is the recommended http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Posting_style for this list? I expect to see more interleave posting > on a Linux list but we seem to have a lot of top-posting going on as > well. Threaded interfaces like Gmail make top-posting more tolerable > than they used to be, so it may not make that much of a difference > any more. > > Cheers, > > Dennis > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090320/68a9523d/attachment.htm From boomfish at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 17:35:56 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Fri Mar 20 03:11:30 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Windows Abandonment Roadmap Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:45 PM, C. Michael Pilato w= rote: > > In general, I'd also like to be able to exchange ideas around what I call= a > "Windows Abandonment Roadmap". I want to get myself, my wife, my parents, > my church, and everybody else I can off of Windows and onto Linux. Today, > many open source software programs can get us some percentage of the > desired > freedom, at some interesting costs in terms of still being to interact wi= th > a Windowsful world. I'd like to share/hear ideas about what softwares > (either installed or Web-hosted) are best closing that gap. Indeed. Despite being savvy with Linux, it has not been my primary desktop OS at home for over 10 years now. I hope to change this situation soon as I recently wiped my previous Debian 4.0 installation and replaced it with a fresh Debian 5.0 installation. I also switched from x86 to amd64 which is why it had to be a reinstall instead of simply an upgrade. So why do I believe I will switch my primary desktop OS now after putting it off for so long? Well, for three reasons: 1. Lenny (Debian 5.0) is the first Debian release to include compiled packages for non-free NVIDIA drivers that support my GeForce 8800 GTS 51= 2. Compiling the NVIDIA packages on my own is possible but seriously painfu= l. The free drivers worked, but did not seem to support independent screens= for my two monitors (it would only clone them). Furthermore I have quite a f= ew Windows games so I want the 3D acceleration support in the non-free driv= ers so I can use Cedega. 2. I recently upgraded my RAM to 4GB, and my Windows Vista cannot use more than 3.5GB (since it is a 32-bit OS without PAE support). My new De= bian install is 64-bit so it can use all the RAM I can throw at it. More available RAM makes it more feasible for me to run the few Windows-only applications I still need in a Virtual Machine. One obstacle for switching to Linux as my primary desktop remains. I like to use my GeForce card to do GPGPU crunching with the GPUGRID.net project, and although GPUGRID.net has a 64-bit Linux client it requires the CUDA 2.0 SDK and NVIDIA doesn't provide a Debian installation package for it. This will soon become a moot point though as GPGPU crunching on my 8800 GTS generates too much heat for me to do it in my apartment during the warmer months. I expect to have a solution to this before it gets cool enough again to resume my GPGPU crunching. I may ask for advice here and there as I get more into using Linux as a desktop OS. I'll RTFM whenever I can so my questions shouldn't be too stupid. Cheers, Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090320/e6e003d0/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 21:06:37 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Mar 20 06:42:11 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Windows Abandonment Roadmap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903201806x26c4fb83h3c2205549b2212cc@mail.gmail.com> I'm lazy. I've had VMware for Linux for years. I keep an old version of Windows handy. (NT version 4?) If/when I need a windows, I crank up the VMware app. (I barely use it now. Typically, I crank it up if I have a customer with a Windows need, & I need to test some code...) -Bob Evans 2009/3/20 Dennis Clark > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:45 PM, C. Michael Pilato wrote: > >> >> In general, I'd also like to be able to exchange ideas around what I call >> a >> "Windows Abandonment Roadmap". I want to get myself, my wife, my parent= s, >> my church, and everybody else I can off of Windows and onto Linux. Toda= y, >> many open source software programs can get us some percentage of the >> desired >> freedom, at some interesting costs in terms of still being to interact >> with >> a Windowsful world. I'd like to share/hear ideas about what softwares >> (either installed or Web-hosted) are best closing that gap. > > > Indeed. Despite being savvy with Linux, it has not been my primary desktop > OS at home for over 10 years now. I hope to change this situation soon as= I > recently wiped my previous Debian 4.0 installation and replaced it with a > fresh Debian 5.0 installation. I also switched from x86 to amd64 which is > why it had to be a reinstall instead of simply an upgrade. > > So why do I believe I will switch my primary desktop OS now after putting > it off for so long? Well, for three reasons: > > 1. Lenny (Debian 5.0) is the first Debian release to include compiled > packages for non-free NVIDIA drivers that support my GeForce 8800 GTS = 512. > Compiling the NVIDIA packages on my own is possible but seriously pain= ful. > The free drivers worked, but did not seem to support independent scree= ns for > my two monitors (it would only clone them). Furthermore I have quite a= few > Windows games so I want the 3D acceleration support in the non-free dr= ivers > so I can use Cedega. > 2. I recently upgraded my RAM to 4GB, and my Windows Vista cannot use > more than 3.5GB (since it is a 32-bit OS without PAE support). My new = Debian > install is 64-bit so it can use all the RAM I can throw at it. More > available RAM makes it more feasible for me to run the few Windows-only > applications I still need in a Virtual Machine. > > One obstacle for switching to Linux as my primary desktop remains. I like > to use my GeForce card to do GPGPU crunching with the GPUGRID.net project, > and although GPUGRID.net has a 64-bit Linux client it requires the CUDA 2= .0 > SDK and NVIDIA doesn't provide a Debian installation package for it. This > will soon become a moot point though as GPGPU crunching on my 8800 GTS > generates too much heat for me to do it in my apartment during the warmer > months. I expect to have a solution to this before it gets cool enough ag= ain > to resume my GPGPU crunching. > > I may ask for advice here and there as I get more into using Linux as a > desktop OS. I'll RTFM whenever I can so my questions shouldn't be too > stupid. > > Cheers, > > Dennis > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > -- = Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no exceptions to this rule. - Stephen King I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090320/b2cdaf57/att= achment-0001.htm From timjowers at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 21:15:27 2009 From: timjowers at gmail.com (Tim Jowers) Date: Fri Mar 20 06:50:59 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Windows Abandonment Roadmap In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903201806x26c4fb83h3c2205549b2212cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190903201806x26c4fb83h3c2205549b2212cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We went to Linux 100% mid 2006. I have not even bother booting my old Windows box for close to two years. I keep thinking I'll look on it sometime to see if I have any files I'd want to keep. My wife never even noticed. I showed her where to click for the web browser and that's it. My sister-in-law said "This isn't windows" when she used it. I could not get an open format download for cc statements from discover so I use their card infrequently now. GnuCash imports bank account transactions very well. The hardware support on Linux is uncomparably better than on Mac. :-) My only hesitation now is I wanted to play with the iPhone SDK but don't have a Mac. Solution? I downloaded Android instead. :-) My opinion of my employer changed drastically last week when they announce the roll out of Office 2007. Of course they are doing well but that's simply a waste of money. They'd better hand out large bonuses if they are willing to blow money like that! TimJowers P.S> As a software developer I can't help but laugh at people who try to develop on Windows as it absolutely sucks for hard-core computer users. 2009/3/20 Bob Evans : > I'm lazy. I've had VMware for Linux for years. I keep an old version of > Windows handy. (NT version 4?) > > If/when I need a windows, I crank up the VMware app. > > (I barely use it now. Typically, I crank it up if I have a customer with a > Windows need, & I need to test some code...) > > -Bob Evans > > > > 2009/3/20 Dennis Clark >> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:45 PM, C. Michael Pilato >> wrote: >>> >>> In general, I'd also like to be able to exchange ideas around what I call >>> a >>> "Windows Abandonment Roadmap". I want to get myself, my wife, my >>> parents, >>> my church, and everybody else I can off of Windows and onto Linux. >>> Today, >>> many open source software programs can get us some percentage of the >>> desired >>> freedom, at some interesting costs in terms of still being to interact >>> with >>> a Windowsful world. I'd like to share/hear ideas about what softwares >>> (either installed or Web-hosted) are best closing that gap. >> >> Indeed. Despite being savvy with Linux, it has not been my primary desktop >> OS at home for over 10 years now. I hope to change this situation soon as I >> recently wiped my previous Debian 4.0 installation and replaced it with a >> fresh Debian 5.0 installation. I also switched from x86 to amd64 which is >> why it had to be a reinstall instead of simply an upgrade. >> >> So why do I believe I will switch my primary desktop OS now after putting >> it off for so long? Well, for three reasons: >> >> Lenny (Debian 5.0) is the first Debian release to include compiled >> packages for non-free NVIDIA drivers that support my GeForce 8800 GTS 512. >> Compiling the NVIDIA packages on my own is possible but seriously painful. >> The free drivers worked, but did not seem to support independent screens for >> my two monitors (it would only clone them). Furthermore I have quite a few >> Windows games so I want the 3D acceleration support in the non-free drivers >> so I can use Cedega. >> I recently upgraded my RAM to 4GB, and my Windows Vista cannot use more >> than 3.5GB (since it is a 32-bit OS without PAE support). My new Debian >> install is 64-bit so it can use all the RAM I can throw at it. More >> available RAM makes it more feasible for me to run the few Windows-only >> applications I still need in a Virtual Machine. >> >> One obstacle for switching to Linux as my primary desktop remains. I like >> to use my GeForce card to do GPGPU crunching with the GPUGRID.net project, >> and although GPUGRID.net has a 64-bit Linux client it requires the CUDA 2.0 >> SDK and NVIDIA doesn't provide a Debian installation package for it. This >> will soon become a moot point though as GPGPU crunching on my 8800 GTS >> generates too much heat for me to do it in my apartment during the warmer >> months. I expect to have a solution to this before it gets cool enough again >> to resume my GPGPU crunching. >> >> I may ask for advice here and there as I get more into using Linux as a >> desktop OS. I'll RTFM whenever I can so my questions shouldn't be too >> stupid. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Dennis >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > > > > -- > Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no > exceptions to this rule. > - Stephen King > > > > I > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > From phma at phma.optus.nu Fri Mar 20 23:14:25 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Fri Mar 20 08:49:59 2009 Subject: [Charlug] initramfs problem Message-ID: <200903202314.25505.phma@phma.optus.nu> My computer got wedged and I had to reboot it. The cause for wedging appears to be the CD drive, which I'd like to replace with a burner anyway; but when I rebooted, I found myself in BusyBox with an "(initramfs)" prompt, and I had no idea what to do. That was with Linux 2.6.22. I successfully rebooted 2.6.20. Several weeks ago I upgraded to gutsy, but didn't reboot afterward. The root filesystem is reiserfs (I thought it was ext3, but I must have made a mistake installing). /boot is ext3. How do I debug an initramfs, or make one for 2.6.22? Pierre From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 02:17:42 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Mar 20 11:53:15 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Windows Abandonment Roadmap In-Reply-To: References: <7c5cd1190903201806x26c4fb83h3c2205549b2212cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903202317v6da6d99fv3c0aa15e2b845eb7@mail.gmail.com> As to developing, I am pushing REAL SQL / REAL Basic. It runs on Linux, Mac, and Windows. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Tim Jowers wrote: > We went to Linux 100% mid 2006. I have not even bother booting my old > Windows box for close to two years. I keep thinking I'll look on it > sometime to see if I have any files I'd want to keep. > > My wife never even noticed. I showed her where to click for the web > browser and that's it. My sister-in-law said "This isn't windows" when > she used it. I could not get an open format download for cc statements > from discover so I use their card infrequently now. GnuCash imports > bank account transactions very well. > > The hardware support on Linux is uncomparably better than on Mac. :-) > My only hesitation now is I wanted to play with the iPhone SDK but > don't have a Mac. Solution? I downloaded Android instead. :-) > > My opinion of my employer changed drastically last week when they > announce the roll out of Office 2007. Of course they are doing well > but that's simply a waste of money. They'd better hand out large > bonuses if they are willing to blow money like that! > > TimJowers > P.S> As a software developer I can't help but laugh at people who try > to develop on Windows as it absolutely sucks for hard-core computer > users. > > 2009/3/20 Bob Evans : > > I'm lazy. I've had VMware for Linux for years. I keep an old version of > > Windows handy. (NT version 4?) > > > > If/when I need a windows, I crank up the VMware app. > > > > (I barely use it now. Typically, I crank it up if I have a customer with > a > > Windows need, & I need to test some code...) > > > > -Bob Evans > > > > > > > > 2009/3/20 Dennis Clark > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:45 PM, C. Michael Pilato < > cmpilato@red-bean.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> In general, I'd also like to be able to exchange ideas around what I > call > >>> a > >>> "Windows Abandonment Roadmap". I want to get myself, my wife, my > >>> parents, > >>> my church, and everybody else I can off of Windows and onto Linux. > >>> Today, > >>> many open source software programs can get us some percentage of the > >>> desired > >>> freedom, at some interesting costs in terms of still being to interact > >>> with > >>> a Windowsful world. I'd like to share/hear ideas about what softwares > >>> (either installed or Web-hosted) are best closing that gap. > >> > >> Indeed. Despite being savvy with Linux, it has not been my primary > desktop > >> OS at home for over 10 years now. I hope to change this situation soon > as I > >> recently wiped my previous Debian 4.0 installation and replaced it with > a > >> fresh Debian 5.0 installation. I also switched from x86 to amd64 which > is > >> why it had to be a reinstall instead of simply an upgrade. > >> > >> So why do I believe I will switch my primary desktop OS now after > putting > >> it off for so long? Well, for three reasons: > >> > >> Lenny (Debian 5.0) is the first Debian release to include compiled > >> packages for non-free NVIDIA drivers that support my GeForce 8800 GTS > 512. > >> Compiling the NVIDIA packages on my own is possible but seriously > painful. > >> The free drivers worked, but did not seem to support independent scree= ns > for > >> my two monitors (it would only clone them). Furthermore I have quite a > few > >> Windows games so I want the 3D acceleration support in the non-free > drivers > >> so I can use Cedega. > >> I recently upgraded my RAM to 4GB, and my Windows Vista cannot use more > >> than 3.5GB (since it is a 32-bit OS without PAE support). My new Debian > >> install is 64-bit so it can use all the RAM I can throw at it. More > >> available RAM makes it more feasible for me to run the few Windows-only > >> applications I still need in a Virtual Machine. > >> > >> One obstacle for switching to Linux as my primary desktop remains. I > like > >> to use my GeForce card to do GPGPU crunching with the GPUGRID.net > project, > >> and although GPUGRID.net has a 64-bit Linux client it requires the CUDA > 2.0 > >> SDK and NVIDIA doesn't provide a Debian installation package for it. > This > >> will soon become a moot point though as GPGPU crunching on my 8800 GTS > >> generates too much heat for me to do it in my apartment during the > warmer > >> months. I expect to have a solution to this before it gets cool enough > again > >> to resume my GPGPU crunching. > >> > >> I may ask for advice here and there as I get more into using Linux as a > >> desktop OS. I'll RTFM whenever I can so my questions shouldn't be too > >> stupid. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Dennis > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CharLUG mailing list > >> CharLUG@charlug.org > >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There a= re > no > > exceptions to this rule. > > - Stephen King > > > > > > > > I > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CharLUG mailing list > > CharLUG@charlug.org > > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no exceptions to this rule. - Stephen King I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090321/b6948b10/att= achment.htm From timjowers at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 07:55:47 2009 From: timjowers at gmail.com (Tim Jowers) Date: Fri Mar 20 17:31:18 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Windows Abandonment Roadmap In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903202317v6da6d99fv3c0aa15e2b845eb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190903201806x26c4fb83h3c2205549b2212cc@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190903202317v6da6d99fv3c0aa15e2b845eb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Bob, Interesting to hear of another technology. No doubt Sun dropped the ball on Java WRT Linux. Now java has real competition in the run anywhere space. Mono, Rails, REAL BASIC, ... I'm just as excited to see how Android will affect the Linux and the Java landscapes. Tim On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > As to developing, I am pushing REAL SQL / REAL Basic. It runs on Linux, Mac, > and Windows. > > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Tim Jowers wrote: >> >> We went to Linux 100% mid 2006. I have not even bother booting my old >> Windows box for close to two years. I keep thinking I'll look on it >> sometime to see if I have any files I'd want to keep. >> >> My wife never even noticed. I showed her where to click for the web >> browser and that's it. My sister-in-law said "This isn't windows" when >> she used it. I could not get an open format download for cc statements >> from discover so I use their card infrequently now. GnuCash imports >> bank account transactions very well. >> >> The hardware support on Linux is uncomparably better than on Mac. :-) >> My only hesitation now is I wanted to play with the iPhone SDK but >> don't have a Mac. Solution? ?I downloaded Android instead. :-) >> >> My opinion of my employer changed drastically last week when they >> announce the roll out of Office 2007. Of course they are doing well >> but that's simply a waste of money. They'd better hand out large >> bonuses if they are willing to blow money like that! >> >> TimJowers >> P.S> As a software developer I can't help but laugh at people who try >> to develop on Windows as it absolutely sucks for hard-core computer >> users. >> >> 2009/3/20 Bob Evans : >> > I'm lazy. I've had VMware for Linux for years. I keep an old version of >> > Windows handy. (NT version 4?) >> > >> > If/when I need a windows, I crank up the VMware app. >> > >> > (I barely use it now. Typically, I crank it up if I have a customer with >> > a >> > Windows need, & I need to test some code...) >> > >> > -Bob Evans >> > >> > >> > >> > 2009/3/20 Dennis Clark >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:45 PM, C. Michael Pilato >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> In general, I'd also like to be able to exchange ideas around what I >> >>> call >> >>> a >> >>> "Windows Abandonment Roadmap". ?I want to get myself, my wife, my >> >>> parents, >> >>> my church, and everybody else I can off of Windows and onto Linux. >> >>> ?Today, >> >>> many open source software programs can get us some percentage of the >> >>> desired >> >>> freedom, at some interesting costs in terms of still being to interact >> >>> with >> >>> a Windowsful world. ?I'd like to share/hear ideas about what softwares >> >>> (either installed or Web-hosted) are best closing that gap. >> >> >> >> Indeed. Despite being savvy with Linux, it has not been my primary >> >> desktop >> >> OS at home for over 10 years now. I hope to change this situation soon >> >> as I >> >> recently wiped my previous Debian 4.0 installation and replaced it with >> >> a >> >> fresh Debian 5.0 installation. I also switched from x86 to amd64 which >> >> is >> >> why it had to be a reinstall instead of simply an upgrade. >> >> >> >> So why do I believe I will switch my primary desktop OS now after >> >> putting >> >> it off for so long? ?Well, for three reasons: >> >> >> >> Lenny (Debian 5.0) is the first Debian release to include compiled >> >> packages for non-free NVIDIA drivers that support my GeForce 8800 GTS >> >> 512. >> >> Compiling the NVIDIA packages on my own is possible but seriously >> >> painful. >> >> The free drivers worked, but did not seem to support independent >> >> screens for >> >> my two monitors (it would only clone them). Furthermore I have quite a >> >> few >> >> Windows games so I want the 3D acceleration support in the non-free >> >> drivers >> >> so I can use Cedega. >> >> I recently upgraded my RAM to 4GB, and my Windows Vista cannot use more >> >> than 3.5GB (since it is a 32-bit OS without PAE support). My new Debian >> >> install is 64-bit so it can use all the RAM I can throw at it. More >> >> available RAM makes it more feasible for me to run the few Windows-only >> >> applications I still need in a Virtual Machine. >> >> >> >> One obstacle for switching to Linux as my primary desktop remains. I >> >> like >> >> to use my GeForce card to do GPGPU crunching with the GPUGRID.net >> >> project, >> >> and although GPUGRID.net has a 64-bit Linux client it requires the CUDA >> >> 2.0 >> >> SDK and NVIDIA doesn't provide a Debian installation package for it. >> >> This >> >> will soon become a moot point though as GPGPU crunching on my 8800 GTS >> >> generates too much heat for me to do it in my apartment during the >> >> warmer >> >> months. I expect to have a solution to this before it gets cool enough >> >> again >> >> to resume my GPGPU crunching. >> >> >> >> I may ask for advice here and there as I get more into using Linux as a >> >> desktop OS. I'll RTFM whenever I can so my questions shouldn't be too >> >> stupid. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Dennis >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> CharLUG mailing list >> >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There >> > are no >> > exceptions to this rule. >> > ?- Stephen King >> > >> > >> > >> > I >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CharLUG mailing list >> > CharLUG@charlug.org >> > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > > > -- > Any word you have to hunt for in a thesaurus is the wrong word. There are no > exceptions to this rule. > ?- Stephen King > > > > I > From leam at reuel.net Sat Mar 21 08:31:38 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Fri Mar 20 18:07:27 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? In-Reply-To: <20090319163755.GA15387@chipsworld.llamas.net> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> <20090319163755.GA15387@chipsworld.llamas.net> Message-ID: <49C4DE2A.6040907@reuel.net> Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 07:00:22AM -0400, Leam Hall wrote: >> 2. RHCE salaries are better than non-RHCE salaries, how many folks are >> serious about earning one? > > Just got mine and I if there are enough folks out there that are serious > about persuing this cert we could organize topical study session. > > Chip Do you feel the content of the test matched what they say is required? https://www.redhat.com/certification/rhce/prep_guide/ I'm very interested in moving forward with this and making mine current. Leam From hardyd0 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 13:14:11 2009 From: hardyd0 at yahoo.com (Don Hardy) Date: Fri Mar 20 22:49:42 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? In-Reply-To: <49C4DE2A.6040907@reuel.net> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> <20090319163755.GA15387@chipsworld.llamas.net> <49C4DE2A.6040907@reuel.net> Message-ID: <660493.98367.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Guys, I'm definitely interested in forming a RHCE study group. I don't currently have the certification, but have been studying on and off for sometime for the test. I find SELinux and iptables the most difficult topics for me to grasp. ________________________________ From: Leam Hall To: Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio Cc: "charlug@charlug.org" Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:31:38 AM Subject: Re: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio wrote: > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 07:00:22AM -0400, Leam Hall wrote: >> 2. RHCE salaries are better than non-RHCE salaries, how many folks are serious about earning one? > > Just got mine and I if there are enough folks out there that are serious > about persuing this cert we could organize topical study session. > > Chip Do you feel the content of the test matched what they say is required? https://www.redhat.com/certification/rhce/prep_guide/ I'm very interested in moving forward with this and making mine current. Leam _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090321/84d8c6e9/attachment.htm From boomfish at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 15:10:10 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Sat Mar 21 00:45:39 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Windows Abandonment Roadmap In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903201806x26c4fb83h3c2205549b2212cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190903201806x26c4fb83h3c2205549b2212cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C53B92.5040504@gmail.com> On 3/21/2009 1:06 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > I'm lazy. I've had VMware for Linux for years. I keep an old version > of Windows handy. (NT version 4?) > > If/when I need a windows, I crank up the VMware app. Although I do not spend as much time doing it now as I used to, I still like to play games on my PC. Very few PC game developers port their games to Linux these days, so most of my games are for Windows. I was not prepared to let go of Windows until I had a solution for Windows gaming. According to their web site, VMware has only officially started supporting Direct3D in version 6.5 of their software. They had experimental support in version 5.5, but certainly wasn't going to fork out money on VMware for that. Modern graphics cards like my GTS 8800 512 are much more complex than the SVGA chipsets provided by most VM software, and virtualizing the former smells like the wrong approach to me. Cedega is an alternative solution to running Windows games under Linux that does not rely on virtualization or even emulation (as it is based on WINE). A Cedega subscription is now only $45 per year and is likely to offer better performance and support for the latest Windows games than VMware. Cheers, Dennis From ryan at openprofessionals.com Sat Mar 21 20:53:42 2009 From: ryan at openprofessionals.com (Ryan Sawhill) Date: Sat Mar 21 06:29:11 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tuesday night meeting? In-Reply-To: <660493.98367.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200903182256.06718.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190903190214j7ba6390aga4a0f9660ed79a9b@mail.gmail.com> <49C225C6.1070709@reuel.net> <20090319163755.GA15387@chipsworld.llamas.net> <49C4DE2A.6040907@reuel.net> <660493.98367.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <610450e90903211753q76f7e114j7c62980a8520e6fa@mail.gmail.com> Hola everybody! First post here... I joined the email list a while ago, but haven't spoken up till now. I'd be really interested in helping out with some kind of RHC{T,E} -topics study session at some point(and meeting other linux users--I don't know many in meatspace!) ... However, right now I'm out of town and don't think I can offer anything, time-commitment-wise. Soooo I'm chiming in because I *can* offer two other things: a discount of $200 off any Red Hat class and a discount of $50 off any RH exam for CharLUG members. In explanation: I work for Open Professionals, a Red Hat certified reseller/training partner based in Charlotte. Just hit me up if you're interested! aside { Congrats Chip! :) } --- --- --- Ryan Sawhill, RHCE, RHCX Open Professionals, LLC gpg: D5914682 E5D2 815E C4DF 60EF 7417 0D84 DF98 7C98 D591 4682 From jason at rampaginggeek.com Sun Mar 22 11:41:40 2009 From: jason at rampaginggeek.com (Jason Edgecombe) Date: Sat Mar 21 21:17:04 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Meeting location redux? Message-ID: <49C65C34.4080305@rampaginggeek.com> Hi Everyone, I don't recall the reasons for meeting happening at the CPCC Levine campus. Someone mentioned that there was construction at the uptown campus? Matthews is just a little far to drive for me. Would someone please summarize the what's and why's of the current meeting room situation? Thanks, Jason From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 13:21:27 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sat Mar 21 22:56:55 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Meeting location redux? In-Reply-To: <49C65C34.4080305@rampaginggeek.com> References: <49C65C34.4080305@rampaginggeek.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903221021y237fca1fq4a6634166241c17@mail.gmail.com> Jason, et al... We can meet wherever you want. I can walk to the Levine campus, so I picked that as the logical meeting place... I see that my PHP group is again meeting at the central CPCC campus, so we can probably meet there again for the CharLUG... /* ** HERE'S MY OPINION ** */ I own every public building in North Carolina. SO... Pick a spot. City Hall? I own it. We can meet there. Any public school? I own it. We can meet there. Decide where/when & I will update the web page. -be On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Jason Edgecombe wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I don't recall the reasons for meeting happening at the CPCC Levine campu= s. > Someone mentioned that there was construction at the uptown campus? Matth= ews > is just a little far to drive for me. > > Would someone please summarize the what's and why's of the current meeting > room situation? > > Thanks, > Jason > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090322/774e3732/att= achment.htm From rick at niof.net Sun Mar 22 13:28:37 2009 From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto) Date: Sat Mar 21 23:04:07 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Meeting location redux? In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903221021y237fca1fq4a6634166241c17@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C65C34.4080305@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190903221021y237fca1fq4a6634166241c17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090322172837.GZ1958@niof.net> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:21:27PM -0300, Bob Evans wrote: > > I see that my PHP group is again meeting at the central CPCC campus, > so we can probably meet there again for the CharLUG... What php group is that? Is there a web page? When does it meet? -- "To deal with men by force is as impractical as to deal with nature by persuasion -- which is the policy of savages, who rule men by force and plead with nature by prayers, incantations and bribes (sacrifices)." -- Ayn Rand Rick Pasotto rick@niof.net http://www.niof.net -- From phma at phma.optus.nu Sun Mar 22 16:39:16 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Sun Mar 22 02:14:46 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Meeting location redux? In-Reply-To: <49C65C34.4080305@rampaginggeek.com> References: <49C65C34.4080305@rampaginggeek.com> Message-ID: <200903221639.16769.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Sunday 22 March 2009 11:41:40 Jason Edgecombe wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I don't recall the reasons for meeting happening at the CPCC Levine > campus. Someone mentioned that there was construction at the uptown > campus? Matthews is just a little far to drive for me. > > Would someone please summarize the what's and why's of the current > meeting room situation? IIRR last semester the second floor of the IT building was closed. It is now open, but Taylor is closed, and the surveying stuff that used to be in Taylor is now in IT and my subdivision class is now in Sloan-Morgan, which normally is for singing in various languages. If Baucom-Davis isn't available, I might be able to attend a Tuesday night meeting at CPCC, but if I'm working on a drawing due Wednesday, I'd need a ride back to Baucom-Davis so that I can finish it that night. Pierre Pierre From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 21:28:14 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Mar 22 07:03:41 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Meeting location redux? In-Reply-To: <20090322172837.GZ1958@niof.net> References: <49C65C34.4080305@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190903221021y237fca1fq4a6634166241c17@mail.gmail.com> <20090322172837.GZ1958@niof.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903221828k1fc46d5doee25d60172be3c4c@mail.gmail.com> Rick I think this link has all the info for the PHP group. If not, let me know... Bob http://php.meetup.com/409/ From nkr1ptd at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 11:44:23 2009 From: nkr1ptd at gmail.com (nkr1ptd) Date: Sun Mar 22 21:19:50 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Stuff for sale Message-ID: As you know I have recently lost my job and am getting out of IT all together. Below are some items I have for sale. If anyone is interested please contact me via email. First come first serve. Thanks, -Brandon *Qty* *Description* *Price Each* 1 IBM 345 - Dual 2.4GHz Xeon Procs, 4GB RAM, (5) 36GB Drives, RAID Controller $500.00 1 IBM 335 - Dual 2.6GHz Xeon Procs, 4GB RAM, 1 - 72GB Drive, RAID Controller $250.00 1 HP Color LaserJet 4600 - Duplexer, Network, Addional 500 Sheet Feeder $200.00 1 Cis= co 2900 XL - EN Switch 24 Port $100.00 12 SonicWall TZ 170 Firewall $100.00 12 SonicWall SonicPoint AP $50.00 10 Nortel IP Phone $50.00 1 Custom Desktop - Intel QuadCore Proc, 4GB RAM, Nvidia video card, 3Ware RAID Controller, 360MB RAM, 2 - 360GB Drives, 2 - 750GB Drives, Dual 24" Samsung Monitors $2,000.00 1 Extreme Networks 10/100/1000 switch $150.00 1 Dell Optiplex GX 260 2.0GHz =96 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, 3Ware IDE RAID Controller, 19= =94 LCD Monitor $300.00 1 SonicWall 4060 $1,000.00 1 Extreme Networks Summit 380-48 $750.00 2 Direct TV receivers (older but do not have to turn them into DirectTV $25.00 3 Various Cables and stuff FREE -- = ------------------------- People have a tendency to do the things they hate the most, but somehow the only time they never see it is when they are looking in the mirror. - Brandon L Newport -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also have some non-computer items too. *Status* *Qty* *Description* *Price Each* 1 IBM 345 - Dual 2.4GHz Xeon Procs, 4GB RAM, (5) 36GB Drives, RAID Controller $500.00 *SOLD* 1 IBM 335 - Dual 2.6GHz Xeon Procs, 4GB RAM, 1 - 72GB Drive, RAID Controller $250.00 1 HP Color LaserJet 4600 - Duplexer, Network, Addional 500 Sheet Feeder $200.00 1 Cisco 2900 XL - EN Switch 24 Port $100.00 12 SonicWall TZ 170 Firewall $100.00 12 SonicWall SonicPoint AP $50.00 Maybe sold 2 9 Nortel IP Phone 2004 =96 Model NTDU92 $50.00 1 Custom Desktop - Intel QuadCore Proc, 4GB RAM, Nvidia video card, 3Ware RAID Controller, 360MB RAM, 2 - 360GB Drives, 2 - 750GB Drives, Dual 24" Widescreen Samsung Monitors $2,000.00 1 Extreme Networks 10/100/1000 switch $150.00 1 Dell Optiplex GX 260 2.0GHz =96 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, 3Ware IDE RAID Controll= er, 19=94 LCD Monitor $300.00 1 SonicWall 3060 $750.00 1 SonicWall 4060 $1,000.00 1 Extreme Networks Summit 380-48 $750.00 2 Direct TV receivers (older but do not have to turn them into DirectTV $25.00 3 Various Cables and stuff FREE 1 2U APC Smart UPS =96 Needs Battery $25.00 -- = ------------------------- People have a tendency to do the things they hate the most, but somehow the only time they never see it is when they are looking in the mirror. - Brandon L Newport -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090323/ebd7c238/att= achment.htm From derek.newland at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 09:11:07 2009 From: derek.newland at gmail.com (Derek Newland) Date: Wed Mar 25 18:46:24 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Fwd: Charlotte OpenSolaris User Group Kickoff - Charlotte is LIVE! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c274a050903260611g70be02e1r29f45680794a19e7@mail.gmail.com> Is anyone from CharLUG attending this??? From: Harvey.Fisher@sun.com [mailto:Harvey.Fisher@sun.com] On Behalf Of Butch Fisher Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:22 PM To: Butch Fisher Subject: Charlotte OpenSolaris User Group Kickoff - Charlotte is LIVE! Do you use OpenSolaris? Are you in the Charlotte area? Then you want to attend this meeting. This will be a meeting to discuss what- and how this group will become. Be a part of it from the ground floor. What: Charlotte OpenSolaris User Group (kick-off) When: April 1st, 3:00Pm - 4:30PM (No kidding) Where: Sun Microsystems Charlotte Office. ????????????? 10925 David Taylor Drive, Suite 300 ????????????? Charlotte, NC 28262 Agenda: Introductions Lightning Talks ??? Open....What? ??? OpenSolaris 2008.11 Shotgun Start ??? Repos: Release, Development and Contirbutors..Oh my Next meeting teaser and wrap-up SPEAKERS Butch Fisher, Senior Systems Engineer Sun Microsystems Tom Bernard, Technical Consultant Agilysys Jason Schroeder Senior Systems Engineer Sun Microsystems Refreshments served LINK:OpenSolaris (Charlotte) Please RSVP to butch.fisher@sun.com... Harvey "Butch" Fisher Engagement Architect Sun Microsystems, Inc. 10925 David Taylor Drive, Suite 320 Charlotte, NC 28262 US Phone 877-206-1263 Mobile 704-236-2889 Email Butch.Fisher@Sun.COM From leam at reuel.net Thu Mar 26 09:14:54 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Wed Mar 25 18:50:18 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Fwd: Charlotte OpenSolaris User Group Kickoff - Charlotte is LIVE! In-Reply-To: <9c274a050903260611g70be02e1r29f45680794a19e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c274a050903260611g70be02e1r29f45680794a19e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CB7FCE.80106@reuel.net> Might be interesting. I've gotten hints here and there that OpenSolaris is a decent skill to have as companies try and move off Sparc hardware yet aren't ready to plunge into Linux. Leam Derek Newland wrote: > Is anyone from CharLUG attending this??? > > > From: Harvey.Fisher@sun.com [mailto:Harvey.Fisher@sun.com] On Behalf > Of Butch Fisher > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:22 PM > To: Butch Fisher > Subject: Charlotte OpenSolaris User Group Kickoff - Charlotte is LIVE! > > > Do you use OpenSolaris? Are you in the Charlotte area? Then you want > to attend this meeting. This will be a meeting to discuss what- and > how this group will become. > > Be a part of it from the ground floor. > > What: Charlotte OpenSolaris User Group (kick-off) > When: April 1st, 3:00Pm - 4:30PM (No kidding) > Where: Sun Microsystems Charlotte Office. > 10925 David Taylor Drive, Suite 300 > Charlotte, NC 28262 > Agenda: > Introductions > Lightning Talks > Open....What? > OpenSolaris 2008.11 Shotgun Start > Repos: Release, Development and Contirbutors..Oh my > Next meeting teaser and wrap-up > > SPEAKERS > Butch Fisher, Senior Systems Engineer Sun Microsystems > Tom Bernard, Technical Consultant Agilysys > Jason Schroeder Senior Systems Engineer Sun Microsystems > > Refreshments served > > LINK:OpenSolaris (Charlotte) > > Please RSVP to butch.fisher@sun.com... > > Harvey "Butch" Fisher > Engagement Architect > > Sun Microsystems, Inc. > 10925 David Taylor Drive, Suite 320 > Charlotte, NC 28262 US > Phone 877-206-1263 > Mobile 704-236-2889 > Email Butch.Fisher@Sun.COM > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > From bobevans19 at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 17:06:35 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Thu Mar 26 02:41:50 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: Linux User Group In-Reply-To: <6947308CF4737945A100B3B44D8BC72D011E6697@SCNOCEX06.Sigconsult.com> References: <6947308CF4737945A100B3B44D8BC72D011E6697@SCNOCEX06.Sigconsult.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903261406x118bef69t9ea27bc616c6e8d2@mail.gmail.com> Joe Saturday from 10-12-ish Matthews campus of CPCC. We meet in the food court: go in the main entrance & down one level... See you soon. -be On 3/26/09, Silvestrini, Joe wrote: > > > > Bob, > > I hope you are doing well. My name is Joe Silvestrini and I am a Resource > Manager with Signature Consultants. I was on LinkedIn and saw an ad for your > user group. I have actually worked with at least one member of your group > here recently. I wanted to see if it would be at all possible for me to come > to a meeting and introduce myself. I am part of the Infrastructure Team here > at Signature that focuses on all systems and network related positions. > Please let me know if this would be suitable and when your next meeting > might be. Thank you Bob and have a great night. > > Joe Silvestrini > Resource Manager > Signature Consultants, LLC > Direct Line 704-946-3031 > Toll Free 888-522-1020 x 3031 > jsilvestrini@sigconsult.com > www.sigconsult.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/joesilvestrini > > Signature Consultants offers great referral bonuses. If you refer someone > that we can place you will receive the following after 30 days of them being > on our payroll: > > 1st Referral ~ $500 / 2nd Referral ~ $750 / 3rd, 4th, 5th etc... ~ $1,000 > each -- http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich From peter.senft at hpss.de Fri Mar 27 14:45:33 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Fri Mar 27 00:20:54 2009 Subject: [Charlug] DVI2VGA Message-ID: <49CD1ECD.8060204@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi @all, okay... I am either blind or too stupid to use a search engine... where are the little computer stores where you can get cheap parts like a stupid adapter? I can order such stuff from whereever but I need it tonight or at least by Saturday evening... Does anybody know where I can get a simple DVI (female) to VGA (male) adapter in Charlotte (preferably close to South End)? cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJzR6+8C47DFW4ANMRAuU+AJ4p/RVZI4Z4Fk5IkKDtiDHbUpPOxQCgzbId geHn4mKj5AnFQUMuQn4yAQU= =t1DV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com Fri Mar 27 15:35:21 2009 From: ScottWalker at RAMSystemsCorp.com (Scott Walker) Date: Fri Mar 27 01:10:41 2009 Subject: [Charlug] DVI2VGA In-Reply-To: <49CD1ECD.8060204@hpss.de> References: <49CD1ECD.8060204@hpss.de> Message-ID: <000001c9af13$2c9dac60$85d90520$@com> Peter, It's been years since I used them but I remember Slayton Electronics in Charlotte. Haven't shopped there in 15 years but you might give them a call. Regards, Scott -----Original Message----- From: charlug-bounces@charlug.org [mailto:charlug-bounces@charlug.org] On Behalf Of Peter Senft Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 2:46 PM To: charlug@charlug.org Subject: [Charlug] DVI2VGA -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi @all, okay... I am either blind or too stupid to use a search engine... where are the little computer stores where you can get cheap parts like a stupid adapter? I can order such stuff from whereever but I need it tonight or at least by Saturday evening... Does anybody know where I can get a simple DVI (female) to VGA (male) adapter in Charlotte (preferably close to South End)? cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJzR6+8C47DFW4ANMRAuU+AJ4p/RVZI4Z4Fk5IkKDtiDHbUpPOxQCgzbId geHn4mKj5AnFQUMuQn4yAQU= =t1DV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 22:03:05 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Mar 27 07:38:18 2009 Subject: [Charlug] March Meeting...Charlotte GNU/Linux Users Group...03.28.09 Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903271903n396b2ed8hc6244aa806edac1c@mail.gmail.com> Bob Evans says... The regular SATURDAY MORNING meeting of the Charlotte GNU/Linux Users Group is scheduled for the fourth Saturday of the month. This will be an open discussoion about the future of the LUG, and of all things open.. Attendance is, of course, mandatory... When: March 28, 2009 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM Where: Levine Building I Ground Floor Food Court (Follow signs to "Subway") Levine Campus - Central Piedmont Community College =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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India Inc. gets White House meeting on H-1B visasMarch 23, 2009, 08:02 PM *by ITworld staff* A delegation from one of India's largest business groups visited Washington last week to make a case for the H-1B visa program. http://www.itworld.com/government/64903/india-inc-gets-white-house-meeting-= h-1b-visas Brought to you by ITworld - An Open Exchange ITworld is a participatory site that relies on IT professionals and technology vendors to help shape the site's content around challenges and solutions that define their world. If you're passionate about technology, and have a knack for finding and explaining great ideas, join the conversation. The Buzz Explore what ITworld's community has posted about these topics: - Business intelligence - Business process management - Channel strategies - CRM - Data center - Endpoint security - Green IT - Network access computing - Networking - Open source - Operating systems - Personal technology - Software as a service - Security - Small business - Service oriented architecture - Storage - Unified communications - Virtualization - Windows - Wireless ITworld http://www.itworld.com Privacy policy http://www.itworld.com/about/privacy-policy -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090328/9dcf8dc8/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Sat Mar 28 06:01:10 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Fri Mar 27 15:36:30 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Ohm boy.Obama likes India's H1B policy....... In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903280209h63498c95x955ffe82ddf39bfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190903280209h63498c95x955ffe82ddf39bfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CDF566.6020608@reuel.net> Want more on the stinky economy? Head over to http://conspiracyoftherich.com and sign up for the draft chapters of the book. Find out how JP Rockefeller et al structured our education system after the Prussian model of obedient workers and soldiers, not free-thinkers and actual education. Then see if you agree that Nixon's 1971 severance of the dollar from gold turned our dollar into monopoly money, or if the Citigroup was actually unconstitutional, or if the Federal Reserve Bank really is a bank, Federal, or has a reserve. Or if they're helping us or themselves... Leam Bob Evans wrote: > Yet another administration. > > Yet another sell out of our economy. > > Gee, do you think there might be a connection between using cheap "guest > workers" to do everything here, and the stinky economy? > > How's that working out for ya' now, America? > > (Where's my kool aid, Jim?) > > > -be > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 5:05 AM > Subject: Bob Evans has sent you an interesting item from ITworld > To: bobevans19@gmail.com > > > Bob Evans has sent you an interesting item from > ITworld. > http://www.itworld.com/government/64903/india-inc-gets-white-house-meeting-h-1b-visas > > Note from sender: > > fyi here we go! > > India Inc. gets White House meeting on H-1B visasMarch 23, 2009, 08:02 PM > *by ITworld staff* > > A delegation from one of India's largest business groups visited Washington > last week to make a case for the H-1B visa program. > http://www.itworld.com/government/64903/india-inc-gets-white-house-meeting-h-1b-visas > > Brought to you by ITworld - An Open Exchange > > ITworld is a participatory site that relies on IT professionals and > technology vendors to help shape the site's content around challenges and > solutions that define their world. If you're passionate about technology, > and have a knack for finding and explaining great ideas, join the > conversation. > > The Buzz > > Explore what ITworld's community has posted about these topics: > > - Business intelligence > - Business process management > - Channel strategies > - CRM > - Data center > - Endpoint security > - Green IT > - Network access computing > - Networking > - Open source > - Operating systems > - Personal technology > - Software as a service > - Security > - Small business > - Service oriented architecture > - Storage > - Unified communications > - Virtualization > - Windows > - Wireless > > ITworld http://www.itworld.com > Privacy policy http://www.itworld.com/about/privacy-policy > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From leam at reuel.net Sat Mar 28 06:09:16 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Fri Mar 27 15:44:35 2009 Subject: [Charlug] March Meeting...Charlotte GNU/Linux Users Group...03.28.09 In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903271903n396b2ed8hc6244aa806edac1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190903271903n396b2ed8hc6244aa806edac1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CDF74C.3020608@reuel.net> Can we drop the GNU/ crap? Stallman had some great ideas but he's belittled himself and the GNU community by demanding respect that he already earned. Every time I see "GNU/Linux it makes me want to puke. Stallman can't make a decent OS so he has to ride the coat-tails of a Finnish student? Whatever happened to "America is strong because we work hard and think smart"? Leam -- coffee hasn't kicked in so I've not mellowed out this morning, can you tell? ;) Bob Evans wrote: > > Bob Evans says... > > The regular SATURDAY MORNING meeting of the Charlotte GNU/Linux Users Group > is scheduled for the fourth Saturday of the month. > > This will be an open discussoion about the future of the LUG, and of all > things open.. > Attendance is, of course, mandatory... > > > > When: March 28, 2009 > 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM > > Where: Levine Building I > > Ground Floor Food Court (Follow signs to "Subway") > > Levine Campus - Central Piedmont Community College > > =============================================================== > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 07:56:00 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (bobevans19@gmail.com) Date: Fri Mar 27 17:31:11 2009 Subject: Fwd: Re: [Charlug] March Meeting...Charlotte GNU/Linux Users Group...03.28.09 In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903280450m3c005481kb2b95c771ba218c3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0016e644cf8c75f90604662c8873@google.com> Sorry, meant tp "reply all" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bob Evans Date: Mar 28, 2009 7:50am Subject: Re: [Charlug] March Meeting...Charlotte GNU/Linux Users = Group...03.28.09 To: Leam Hall > I'm not opposed to dropping the "gnu cr@p", provided we also drop the FOSS > LIBRE cr@p.... > Starting to sound like a food fight........... > On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Leam Hall leam@reuel.net> wrote: > Can we drop the GNU/ crap? Stallman had some great ideas but he's = > belittled himself and the GNU community by demanding respect that he = > already earned. Every time I see "GNU/Linux it makes me want to puke. = > Stallman can't make a decent OS so he has to ride the coat-tails of a = > Finnish student? Whatever happened to "America is strong because we work = > hard and think smart"? > Leam > -- coffee hasn't kicked in so I've not mellowed out this morning, can you= = > tell? ;) > Bob Evans wrote: > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=3D1601352595> > Bob Evans http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=3D1601352595> says... > The regular SATURDAY MORNING meeting of the Charlotte GNU/Linux Users = > Group > is scheduled for the fourth Saturday of the month. > This will be an open discussoion about the future of the LUG, and of all > things open.. > Attendance is, of course, mandatory... > When: March 28, 2009 > 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM > Where: Levine Building I > Ground Floor Food Court (Follow signs to "Subway") > Levine Campus - Central Piedmont Community College > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 > Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical = > about it. > - Paul Tillich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090328/fbb7338d/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Sat Mar 28 08:08:46 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Fri Mar 27 17:44:05 2009 Subject: [Charlug] LIBRE/FOSS/GNU In-Reply-To: <0016e644cf8c75f90604662c8873@google.com> References: <0016e644cf8c75f90604662c8873@google.com> Message-ID: <49CE134E.10708@reuel.net> Agreed, drop the FOSS, drop the Libre, drop the GNU, and celebrate success on an "as deserved" basis, not "as demanded". :) Leam bobevans19@gmail.com wrote: > Sorry, meant tp "reply all" > > >> I'm not opposed to dropping the "gnu cr@p", provided we also drop the >> FOSS > >> LIBRE cr@p.... > > >> Starting to sound like a food fight........... > > From leam at reuel.net Sat Mar 28 08:15:57 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Fri Mar 27 17:51:17 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Guru.com, eLance.com, SoloGig.com? Message-ID: <49CE14FD.4020306@reuel.net> I've filled out the Guru.com registration and am heading over to SoloGig.com to do the same. Haven't looked at eLance yet. Guru seems geared towards "send it in" type remote work--typing, programming, web-design. Not sure how well a server admin guy can do there but I'll test the waters and find out. They charge 10% of the project cost plus 2% if you use their escrow service. On the latter I'd recommend it as a friend of mine is stuck with over $60,000 in unpaid invoices for other clients. He's in a different industry but it seems the "honest days pay for honest days work" isn't a corporate mantra any more. First glance at SoloGig looks good, it zoned in on my geographic location and that might be better for what I do anyway. Will start the process and see what happens. Haven't looked at eLance yet; brain still numb from reading long Terms of Service agreements...Anyone else have experience with these sites or others? Leam From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 08:32:34 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Mar 27 18:07:45 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Guru.com, eLance.com, SoloGig.com? In-Reply-To: <49CE14FD.4020306@reuel.net> References: <49CE14FD.4020306@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903280532r4c6f52a8rb93e4e501e9e89f3@mail.gmail.com> Leam I quit using sologig when it was bought out. Used to get steady side work from them - LAMP stuff mostly. I'll check the other one you mentioned. Probably just keep using Craig's list, and word of mouth.... Thanks! -be On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > I've filled out the Guru.com registration and am heading over to > SoloGig.com to do the same. Haven't looked at eLance yet. > > Guru seems geared towards "send it in" type remote work--typing, > programming, web-design. Not sure how well a server admin guy can do there > but I'll test the waters and find out. They charge 10% of the project cost > plus 2% if you use their escrow service. On the latter I'd recommend it a= s a > friend of mine is stuck with over $60,000 in unpaid invoices for other > clients. He's in a different industry but it seems the "honest days pay f= or > honest days work" isn't a corporate mantra any more. > > First glance at SoloGig looks good, it zoned in on my geographic location > and that might be better for what I do anyway. Will start the process and > see what happens. > > Haven't looked at eLance yet; brain still numb from reading long Terms of > Service agreements...Anyone else have experience with these sites or othe= rs? > > Leam > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090328/e7998b7a/att= achment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Sat Mar 28 09:43:17 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Fri Mar 27 19:18:30 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Guru.com, eLance.com, SoloGig.com? In-Reply-To: <49CE14FD.4020306@reuel.net> References: <49CE14FD.4020306@reuel.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Leam Hall wrote: > I've filled out the Guru.com registration and am heading over to SoloGig.com > to do the same. Haven't looked at eLance yet. Once upon a time I made some money via Guru.com, but they got very cheap very quickly. Still, they seem to be better than: GetACoder.com. laughable.. (unless you want to build eBay/Facebook clones for $300). I don't know of the other two, From leam at reuel.net Sat Mar 28 09:47:58 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Fri Mar 27 19:23:18 2009 Subject: [Charlug] March Meeting...Charlotte GNU/Linux Users Group...03.28.09 In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903271903n396b2ed8hc6244aa806edac1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190903271903n396b2ed8hc6244aa806edac1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CE2A8E.7010908@reuel.net> See you shortly. Leam Bob Evans wrote: > > Bob Evans says... > > The regular SATURDAY MORNING meeting of the Charlotte GNU/Linux Users Group > is scheduled for the fourth Saturday of the month. > > This will be an open discussoion about the future of the LUG, and of all > things open.. > Attendance is, of course, mandatory... > > > > When: March 28, 2009 > 10:00 AM to 1:00 PM > > Where: Levine Building I > > Ground Floor Food Court (Follow signs to "Subway") > > Levine Campus - Central Piedmont Community College > > =============================================================== > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From meuon at geeklabs.com Sat Mar 28 11:34:17 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Fri Mar 27 21:09:30 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Guru.com, eLance.com, SoloGig.com? In-Reply-To: <49CE14FD.4020306@reuel.net> References: <49CE14FD.4020306@reuel.net> Message-ID: > Guru seems geared towards "send it in" type remote work--typing, programming, > web-design. Not sure how well a server admin guy can do there but I'll test I've got a set of advice I give to people looking for work: It applies wether you are looking for a job or a client. Have some basic plain, professionally printed business cards. Not much more than name and contact info. Carry them always. Don't worry about logo's and marketing BS. These are "contact cards" or "social cards" - Nice paper and printing counts. The should not be expensive, vistaprint, etc.. Get out.. go to places and meet people that you would not ordinarily go and meet, Dress nicely, business casual as a minimum. Firm handshake, a 10-15 second "what do you do" answer.. and a smile. Fake it, practice it.. pretend you are in a LART and this is how you kill vampires or something. Speak english, not geek. Join the local: Tech Council, Civitan Club, BNI Networking.. Church.. Library Action Committee.. Contra Dancing.. Save the ____ Group. Except for the Tech Council. AITP or Charlug type of group, what you are looking to do is meet people that aren't in your normal technically competent world, people who have problems and don't know someone like you... admit you love Linux, but will do paying work for the dark side. You are never "unemployed". You are available, just as soon as you finish up project X. In the next week or two. Worst case scenerio for quick cash, I have two "scams": Hang out at the local Best Buy (or other big box computer place) a bit.. during weekdays, business hours. be more helpful then their sales people to the biz types. Got those cards? If they say something generic about technology... Walk around multiple tenant office buildings and drop them off at receptionist desks, with wrapped halloween candy like this. "I was working in the building and just wanted to drop off a card in case you ever need anything..." give her/him your card, a chocolate,,. smile.. and leave. When I was doing this a lot many years ago, I found chocolates kept the building security guy from escorting me out. I once kept a 8+ tech company busy this way. I took an underemployed friend around to some office buildings last year using the above technique and kept some stats. We dropped off about 4 bags of candy and cards.. There were a few multiple candies given in some offices. About 100 total. His phone got four calls that afternoon, and he scheduled one service call for the next day. He now has 4 clients he found that way that keep him quite happy. He spends a day a week at each place (25-50+ PC's each) doing backups, fixing issues, updating software.. etc.. From leam at reuel.net Sat Mar 28 16:47:38 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sat Mar 28 02:22:59 2009 Subject: [Charlug] March Meeting Notes Message-ID: <49CE8CEA.70203@reuel.net> Several topics were discussed and some brain synergy percolated forth. Here are the working notes, feel free to discuss your opinions with the appropriate guilty parties. The RHCE Study Group (RHCE-SG) will move forward with a 30 minute workshop after each Saturday meeting. This is open to everyone whether or not you're going after the RHCE. We will discuss topics relevant, work on our skills, and just happen to focus on the ones required for the test, like iptables and SELinux. Chip is POC for the RHCE-SG. Future meetings are the last Saturday of the month, and should include roughly 60 minutes of primary presentation followed by 30 minutes of the RHCE-SG. After that an unspecified time of social banter, soda swilling, and talking about past and future projects. :) No one voiced support for a weeknight LUG meeting. Of course, no one voiced opposition so those wanting to meet at some other time in some other place are welcome to do so. LUG meetings will feature guest speakers as can be arranged; Bob Evans is the coordinator of guest speakers. When LUG members present we are moving to a "workshop" format. Chip is preparing a Nagios Monitoring workshop that should either happen in April or May. Since Bob is working with D. Richard Hipp of SQLite fame Chip has agreed to stand in on whichever meeting Richard cannot make. For the Nagios workshop please come prepared with your laptop, the software installed and running, and a network connection/cable. Chip will provide specifics but this is not an "install it" time but heavy on configuration and usage. Previous presenters like Greg DeKoenigsberg and Kevin Jones (http://www.freelinuxpc.org) (if anyone has Kevin's e-mail address, feel free to pass this along) were discussed and everyone was well pleased with their presentations. Greg and Kevin will be contacted by (???) to see if they are available at a later date. There is some interest in an OpenLDAP workshop but the folks present didn't have as much experience as they would like to organize that one. If you have OpenLDAP operational experience and want to help out, speak up and you'll be brought into the fold. Topics will include basic and enterprise configurations as well as using Radius. Other workshops discussed but not really resourced include: Joomla Virtualization (client and server) Wordpress Subversion (CMP?) Apache OpenAFS LAMP Python (PS?) Kerberos Mail (TLS, sendmail, postfix) (PS, CC) Cobbler and Koan Spacewalk and Kickstart (Brad?) If you are interested in giving a workshop please speak up. We found that two to three people talking about the idea gave enough conversation to keep things going and in the coming months we can work out the bugs in the process. Final note about e-mail and group discussion. Please remember that we are open to all ages and belief systems. Your use of the language reflects on all of us. Keep it family friendly. Hope that comes out clear for everyone. If there's any confusion let me know and I'll try to clarify. If you don't like the topic selection, show up and voice your thoughts. :) Leam From leam at reuel.net Sat Mar 28 16:52:19 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sat Mar 28 02:27:38 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What are you? Message-ID: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> Informal poll at the March meeting: "Are you a systems person, a programmer, or something else?" Came out to be 5-3 Systems vs programmers with a lot of enterprise level experience. There's nothing wrong with being either, both, or something totally different but it might be nice to see what sort of talent we have in the group. So let's continue the poll. Would you describe yourself as a systems person, a programmer, or something else? The latter might include DBA, project manager, recruiter, or something else entirely. For the record I'm a systems guy and wannabe programmer in Python, PHP, C, and shell. :) Leam From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 17:33:46 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sat Mar 28 03:08:56 2009 Subject: [Charlug] March Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <49CE8CEA.70203@reuel.net> References: <49CE8CEA.70203@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903281433r58368ee1g1faecead9ba42960@mail.gmail.com> Copying Greg & Kevin on this email so they will be aware of our plans... Guys, we will be approaching you for future tips & tricks (and as guests to our Saturday meetings.) *ONE MORE THING * We (charlug) are sponsors of the SouthEastLinuxFest on 06/13/09 http://wiki.southeastlinuxfest.org/index.php/Main_Page ...so we probably should be planning on a convoy (one day event at Clemson campus.... a Saturday, no less!) -be On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Leam Hall wrote: > Several topics were discussed and some brain synergy percolated forth. He= re > are the working notes, feel free to discuss your opinions with the > appropriate guilty parties. > > The RHCE Study Group (RHCE-SG) will move forward with a 30 minute workshop > after each Saturday meeting. This is open to everyone whether or not you'= re > going after the RHCE. We will discuss topics relevant, work on our skills, > and just happen to focus on the ones required for the test, like iptables > and SELinux. Chip is POC for the RHCE-SG. > > Future meetings are the last Saturday of the month, and should include > roughly 60 minutes of primary presentation followed by 30 minutes of the > RHCE-SG. After that an unspecified time of social banter, soda swilling, = and > talking about past and future projects. :) > > No one voiced support for a weeknight LUG meeting. Of course, no one voic= ed > opposition so those wanting to meet at some other time in some other place > are welcome to do so. > > LUG meetings will feature guest speakers as can be arranged; Bob Evans is > the coordinator of guest speakers. When LUG members present we are moving= to > a "workshop" format. Chip is preparing a Nagios Monitoring workshop that > should either happen in April or May. Since Bob is working with D. Richard > Hipp of SQLite fame Chip has agreed to stand in on whichever meeting Rich= ard > cannot make. > > For the Nagios workshop please come prepared with your laptop, the softwa= re > installed and running, and a network connection/cable. Chip will provide > specifics but this is not an "install it" time but heavy on configuration > and usage. > > Previous presenters like Greg DeKoenigsberg and Kevin Jones ( > http://www.freelinuxpc.org) (if anyone has Kevin's e-mail address, feel > free to pass this along) were discussed and everyone was well pleased with > their presentations. Greg and Kevin will be contacted by (???) to see if > they are available at a later date. > > There is some interest in an OpenLDAP workshop but the folks present didn= 't > have as much experience as they would like to organize that one. If you h= ave > OpenLDAP operational experience and want to help out, speak up and you'll= be > brought into the fold. Topics will include basic and enterprise > configurations as well as using Radius. > > Other workshops discussed but not really resourced include: > > Joomla > Virtualization (client and server) > Wordpress > Subversion (CMP?) > Apache > OpenAFS > LAMP > Python (PS?) > Kerberos > Mail (TLS, sendmail, postfix) (PS, CC) > Cobbler and Koan > Spacewalk and Kickstart (Brad?) > > If you are interested in giving a workshop please speak up. We found that > two to three people talking about the idea gave enough conversation to ke= ep > things going and in the coming months we can work out the bugs in the > process. > > Final note about e-mail and group discussion. Please remember that we are > open to all ages and belief systems. Your use of the language reflects on > all of us. Keep it family friendly. > > Hope that comes out clear for everyone. If there's any confusion let me > know and I'll try to clarify. If you don't like the topic selection, show= up > and voice your thoughts. :) > > Leam > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090328/bef5ed25/att= achment-0001.htm From boomfish at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 17:40:54 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Sat Mar 28 03:16:03 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: Charlotte GNU/Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <49CDF74C.3020608@reuel.net> References: <7c5cd1190903271903n396b2ed8hc6244aa806edac1c@mail.gmail.com> <49CDF74C.3020608@reuel.net> Message-ID: <49CE9966.5080707@gmail.com> On 3/28/2009 6:09 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > Can we drop the GNU/ crap? = I agree with not calling ourselves a GNU/Linux User Group, but I object to "GNU/" being called crap. The GNU project played an important role in the development of Linux and still deserves respect. I doubt Linus Torvalds would have gotten as far as he did with Linux without the GNU toolset. The term "GNU/Linux" was coined a long time ago as an objection to the use of the word "Linux" as referring to an operating system. The objection (and it was a valid one at the time) was that Linux is only a kernel, and you need many many other programs apart from a kernel to create an OS. At the time the vast majority of programs used in Linux-based operating systems originated from the GNU project, so it made sense to call such operating systems "GNU/Linux". Things are different now. Many of what started as GNU/Linux "distributions" have evolved to become much more than a Linux kernel with a few GNU programs slapped on top of it: they have earned the right to be be called operating systems without the need of qualifiers such as "Linux" or even "GNU/Linux". There should no longer be any confusion that terms like "Red Hat", "SUSE", "Debian", and "Ubuntu" refer to anything other than operating systems[1 <#redhat>]. Sure, they still use Linux kernels and some GNU programs, but they also contain many important programs from Apache, BSD, Mozilla and many other projects, and calling such operating systems "GNU/Apache/BSD/Mozilla/Linux" would simply be silly. > Stallman had some great ideas but he's belittled himself and the GNU > community by demanding respect that he already earned. Stallman started off as a visionary but has turned into a complete nutjob. He has been quoted as saying that developing non-free software is evil , and in his latest rant he objects to Web sites that compress/obfuscate their client-side JavaScript code. I believe in sharing my source code whenever possible[2 <#sharing>] so that others may benefit from it and improve on it, but unlike Stallman I respect the rights of developers and entrepreneurs to sell their programs for a profit. > Every time I see "GNU/Linux it makes me want to puke. Stallman can't > make a decent OS so he has to ride the coat-tails of a Finnish student? You mean Stallman can't make a decent /kernel/. Work on Hurd (the official kernel for GNU) began the year before Torvalds started on Linux, and even after 18 years Hurd is still not stable enough for use in production environments. [1] Except for "Red Hat", which may sometimes refer to a head covering that is red in color. [2] Except when my source code sucks (which it often does). Cheers, -- Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090328/6bc1f19e/att= achment.htm From cmpilato at red-bean.com Sat Mar 28 17:50:47 2009 From: cmpilato at red-bean.com (C. Michael Pilato) Date: Sat Mar 28 03:26:20 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What are you? In-Reply-To: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> References: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> Message-ID: <49CE9BB7.3020704@red-bean.com> Leam Hall wrote: > Informal poll at the March meeting: "Are you a systems person, a > programmer, or something else?" Programmer, with basic Linux sysadmin skills. -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ From derek.newland at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 18:13:40 2009 From: derek.newland at gmail.com (Derek Newland) Date: Sat Mar 28 03:48:59 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What are you? Message-ID: <49cea11c.1cbd720a.5d48.605c@mx.google.com> Like Leam, i'm a systems guy and wanna be developer. -----Original Message----- From: Leam Hall Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:52 PM To: charlug@charlug.org Subject: [Charlug] What are you? Informal poll at the March meeting: "Are you a systems person, a programmer, or something else?" Came out to be 5-3 Systems vs programmers with a lot of enterprise level experience. There's nothing wrong with being either, both, or something totally different but it might be nice to see what sort of talent we have in the group. So let's continue the poll. Would you describe yourself as a systems person, a programmer, or something else? The latter might include DBA, project manager, recruiter, or something else entirely. For the record I'm a systems guy and wannabe programmer in Python, PHP, C, and shell. :) Leam _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From leam at reuel.net Sat Mar 28 19:15:36 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sat Mar 28 04:50:56 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: Charlotte GNU/Linux Users Group In-Reply-To: <49CE9966.5080707@gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190903271903n396b2ed8hc6244aa806edac1c@mail.gmail.com> <49CDF74C.3020608@reuel.net> <49CE9966.5080707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CEAF98.9010107@reuel.net> Dennis Clark wrote: > On 3/28/2009 6:09 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >> Can we drop the GNU/ crap? > I agree with not calling ourselves a GNU/Linux User Group, but I object > to "GNU/" being called crap. The GNU project played an important role in > the development of Linux and still deserves respect. I doubt Linus > Torvalds would have gotten as far as he did with Linux without the GNU > toolset. Totally agree! I love the GNU software and use it on a daily basis. My nausea comes from RMS and his inability to accept earned accolades. I guess one more great project that could use a leadership change... Leam From leam at reuel.net Sat Mar 28 19:26:42 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sat Mar 28 05:02:02 2009 Subject: [Charlug] March Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190903281433r58368ee1g1faecead9ba42960@mail.gmail.com> References: <49CE8CEA.70203@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190903281433r58368ee1g1faecead9ba42960@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49CEB232.9010008@reuel.net> Thanks Bob, I had made a mental note of that because my pen was running out of ink. Shows how good my mind works these days... So now that we're great sponsors, and early ones at that, what do we need to do? Can we put together some presentations? Anyone speaking before a large audience might want to consider some Toastmaster's time between now and then. :) We had talked about workshops today, would anyone want to do that there? Leam Bob Evans wrote: > *ONE MORE THING * > > We (charlug) are sponsors of the SouthEastLinuxFest on 06/13/09 > > http://wiki.southeastlinuxfest.org/index.php/Main_Page > ..so we probably should be planning on a convoy (one day event at Clemson > campus.... a Saturday, no less!) > > -be From leam at reuel.net Sat Mar 28 20:24:09 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sat Mar 28 05:59:29 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What should the LUG do? Message-ID: <49CEBFA9.8070009@reuel.net> Okay, sorry to put out so many e-mails in one day but the LUG question keeps wandering around in my otherwise empty head... Humans "be"; we exist and then choose to do stuff. Groups need to "do" to be vital, to have life. If they just exist then they...uh...just exist. Linux empowers each of us in some way to become more uniquely ourselves. As a LUG member I'd like to leave each meeting being even more tuned in than when I got there. The LUG really has to do two things right: it must be worth the time cost and it must be useful to the community. Today's meeting was good, you missed Peter, Don, and Chip bouncing ideas and building on each other a bit. We came away with several possibilities for the future and there seemed to be a good energy going. If we continue that trend then our usefulness to the community will grow significantly and the time it takes to get there and learn will be well worth it. So thank you guys for a glimpse at a positive future. What do we need to do to fuel that? Chip (got) volunteered for several things, who else can step up and help move us forward? Leam From jason at rampaginggeek.com Sat Mar 28 21:45:56 2009 From: jason at rampaginggeek.com (Jason Edgecombe) Date: Sat Mar 28 07:21:08 2009 Subject: [Charlug] March Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <49CE8CEA.70203@reuel.net> References: <49CE8CEA.70203@reuel.net> Message-ID: <49CED2D4.4010704@rampaginggeek.com> Leam Hall wrote: > Several topics were discussed and some brain synergy percolated forth. > Here are the working notes, feel free to discuss your opinions with > the appropriate guilty parties. > > The RHCE Study Group (RHCE-SG) will move forward with a 30 minute > workshop after each Saturday meeting. This is open to everyone whether > or not you're going after the RHCE. We will discuss topics relevant, > work on our skills, and just happen to focus on the ones required for > the test, like iptables and SELinux. Chip is POC for the RHCE-SG. > > Future meetings are the last Saturday of the month, and should include > roughly 60 minutes of primary presentation followed by 30 minutes of > the RHCE-SG. After that an unspecified time of social banter, soda > swilling, and talking about past and future projects. :) > > No one voiced support for a weeknight LUG meeting. Of course, no one > voiced opposition so those wanting to meet at some other time in some > other place are welcome to do so. > > LUG meetings will feature guest speakers as can be arranged; Bob Evans > is the coordinator of guest speakers. When LUG members present we are > moving to a "workshop" format. Chip is preparing a Nagios Monitoring > workshop that should either happen in April or May. Since Bob is > working with D. Richard Hipp of SQLite fame Chip has agreed to stand > in on whichever meeting Richard cannot make. > > For the Nagios workshop please come prepared with your laptop, the > software installed and running, and a network connection/cable. Chip > will provide specifics but this is not an "install it" time but heavy > on configuration and usage. > > Previous presenters like Greg DeKoenigsberg and Kevin Jones > (http://www.freelinuxpc.org) (if anyone has Kevin's e-mail address, > feel free to pass this along) were discussed and everyone was well > pleased with their presentations. Greg and Kevin will be contacted by > (???) to see if they are available at a later date. > > There is some interest in an OpenLDAP workshop but the folks present > didn't have as much experience as they would like to organize that > one. If you have OpenLDAP operational experience and want to help out, > speak up and you'll be brought into the fold. Topics will include > basic and enterprise configurations as well as using Radius. > > Other workshops discussed but not really resourced include: > > Joomla > Virtualization (client and server) > Wordpress > Subversion (CMP?) > Apache > OpenAFS > LAMP > Python (PS?) > Kerberos > Mail (TLS, sendmail, postfix) (PS, CC) > Cobbler and Koan > Spacewalk and Kickstart (Brad?) > > If you are interested in giving a workshop please speak up. We found > that two to three people talking about the idea gave enough > conversation to keep things going and in the coming months we can work > out the bugs in the process. > > Final note about e-mail and group discussion. Please remember that we > are open to all ages and belief systems. Your use of the language > reflects on all of us. Keep it family friendly. > > Hope that comes out clear for everyone. If there's any confusion let > me know and I'll try to clarify. If you don't like the topic > selection, show up and voice your thoughts. :) I'm still up for presenting on Kerberos and OpenAFS. I just don't want to go all the way to Matthews. I haven't done toastmasters, but does giving a presentation at a technical conference in front of 100 people count for experience? ;) Jason From jason at rampaginggeek.com Sat Mar 28 22:02:20 2009 From: jason at rampaginggeek.com (Jason Edgecombe) Date: Sat Mar 28 07:37:31 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What are you? In-Reply-To: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> References: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> Message-ID: <49CED6AC.80805@rampaginggeek.com> Leam Hall wrote: > Informal poll at the March meeting: "Are you a systems person, a > programmer, or something else?" > > Came out to be 5-3 Systems vs programmers with a lot of enterprise > level experience. There's nothing wrong with being either, both, or > something totally different but it might be nice to see what sort of > talent we have in the group. > > So let's continue the poll. Would you describe yourself as a systems > person, a programmer, or something else? The latter might include DBA, > project manager, recruiter, or something else entirely. > > For the record I'm a systems guy and wannabe programmer in Python, > PHP, C, and shell. :) I'm a combo sysadmin and programmer. My primary job is system admin/architect for Linux, Solaris, Kerberos, and OpenAFS. In my previous job, I was a tech support guy who did web programming and some sys admin stuff. In my current job, I'm a sysadmin who does some programming and recently, I've been drafted to do joomla stuff. I've written many man pages for the OpenAFS project, and I gave a presentation on the Nokia Internet Tablets at last year's Kerberos & OpenAFS Best Practices workshop Jason From phma at phma.optus.nu Sat Mar 28 23:34:28 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Sat Mar 28 09:09:42 2009 Subject: [Charlug] March Meeting Notes In-Reply-To: <49CE8CEA.70203@reuel.net> References: <49CE8CEA.70203@reuel.net> Message-ID: <200903282334.29505.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Saturday 28 March 2009 16:47:38 Leam Hall wrote: > No one voiced support for a weeknight LUG meeting. Of course, no one > voiced opposition so those wanting to meet at some other time in some > other place are welcome to do so. I talked with Pat and he's still open for a Tuesday night meeting. I'll try to get him back on the list. Pierre From ryan at openprofessionals.com Sun Mar 29 22:29:06 2009 From: ryan at openprofessionals.com (Ryan Sawhill) Date: Sun Mar 29 08:04:13 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What are you? In-Reply-To: <49CED6AC.80805@rampaginggeek.com> References: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> <49CED6AC.80805@rampaginggeek.com> Message-ID: <610450e90903291929y549d753fl739d85f915c37d50@mail.gmail.com> U3lzYWRtaW4uLi5idXQgbG92ZSB0ZWFjaGluZyAmIHR1dG9yaW5nLiBSZWFsbHkgZW5qb3kgYmFz aCBzY3JpcHRpbmctLXRoZQpvbmx5IHRoaW5nIGNsb3NlIHRvIHByb2dyYW1taW5nIEkndmUgcmVh bGx5IGludmVzdGVkIHRpbWUgaW4gYmVjb21pbmcgZ29vZAphdC4KCi0tLSAtLS0gLS0tClJ5YW4g U2F3aGlsbCwgUkhDRSwgUkhDWApPcGVuIFByb2Zlc3Npb25hbHMsIExMQwpncGc6IEQ1OTE0Njgy IEU1RDIgODE1RSBDNERGIDYwRUYgNzQxNyAwRDg0IERGOTggN0M5OCBENTkxIDQ2ODIKLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0gbmV4dCBwYXJ0IC0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tCkFuIEhUTUwgYXR0YWNobWVudCB3YXMg c2NydWJiZWQuLi4KVVJMOiBodHRwOi8vY2hhcmx1Zy5vcmcvcGlwZXJtYWlsL2NoYXJsdWcvYXR0 YWNobWVudHMvMjAwOTAzMjkvYTkwZjFjYzYvYXR0YWNobWVudC5odG0K From leam at reuel.net Mon Mar 30 07:16:28 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Mar 29 16:51:39 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Can you say "Lenovo"? Message-ID: <49D0AA0C.3060104@reuel.net> http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/03/29/ghostnet.cyber.espionage/index.html?iref=topnews Leam From timjowers at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 09:48:35 2009 From: timjowers at gmail.com (Tim Jowers) Date: Sun Mar 29 19:23:40 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What are you? In-Reply-To: <610450e90903291929y549d753fl739d85f915c37d50@mail.gmail.com> References: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> <49CED6AC.80805@rampaginggeek.com> <610450e90903291929y549d753fl739d85f915c37d50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Software Engineer. I do programming most often. My interest is "design in the very large". E.g. would be nice to see an integration standard/effort amongst the leading software open source products. The OS vendors have done a good job with the package manager but consider time tracking. Not integrated across apps. Etc. So, I like the technology side of Linux but also am interested in it as a software/solution platform. Day-to-day I use Apache, Tomcat, Java, PHP, MySql, and Postgres. Run Fedora at home. Ubuntu on my old clunker laptop thanks to the beautiful wireless support for my even older, klunkier wireless card (I once took it apart and soldered a cable to it to attach a direction high gain antenna so its "exposed"). TimJowers 2009/3/29 Ryan Sawhill : > Sysadmin...but love teaching & tutoring. Really enjoy bash scripting--the > only thing close to programming I've really invested time in becoming good > at. > > --- --- --- > Ryan Sawhill, RHCE, RHCX > Open Professionals, LLC > gpg: D5914682 E5D2 815E C4DF 60EF 7417 0D84 DF98 7C98 D591 4682 > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > From llslim at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 01:46:06 2009 From: llslim at gmail.com (Kevin Williams) Date: Mon Mar 30 11:21:09 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What are you? In-Reply-To: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> References: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> Message-ID: <6e765c6e0903302246w2d69d44cm2de2820dc16a00e5@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Leam Hall wrote: > Informal poll at the March meeting: "Are you a systems person, a > programmer, or something else?" > > Came out to be 5-3 Systems vs programmers with a lot of enterprise level > experience. There's nothing wrong with being either, both, or something > totally different but it might be nice to see what sort of talent we have= in > the group. > > So let's continue the poll. Would you describe yourself as a systems > person, a programmer, or something else? The latter might include DBA, > project manager, recruiter, or something else entirely. Programmer with moderate DB and Linux sysadmin experience. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090331/91ec65f8/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 03:35:50 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Mon Mar 30 13:10:54 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What are you? In-Reply-To: <6e765c6e0903302246w2d69d44cm2de2820dc16a00e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> <6e765c6e0903302246w2d69d44cm2de2820dc16a00e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903310035i3a2fc8bfxc3bd211a59f32590@mail.gmail.com> I'm a software developer. I've lived & worked in Orlando & Fort Myers, Florida (20 years), and Charlotte, NC (15 years). Oh, and I grew up in Hartford, CT. (15 years...) At "work" I use everything - LAMP, Java, C++, Perl. I also do a ton of what they now call "enterprise server". AKA - "mainframe"... That means IBM-centric stuff like JCL, DB/2, CICS, CPCS, and the dreaded ... COBOL. I say "work" because I've been under employed since Halloween. Doing a lot of "honey do's". Checking out time with the 8 year old and the 9 year old... BUT I definitely need a job. So if you hear about anything, let me know. I am limiting the search area to this galaxy, and this era, time wise... Unless I can find a good used DeLorean. I have a working flux capacitor... -be PS - I also have my own company, Carolinux. Current focus is thin client, free internet, and whirled peas... http://www.carolinux.com -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090331/33b52917/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Tue Mar 31 11:47:06 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Mon Mar 30 21:22:18 2009 Subject: [Charlug] LUG Programmers and Twitter API? Message-ID: <49D23AFA.6030101@reuel.net> Well, the informal survey results are in and we're about half and half systems people and programmers, with a bit of cross-over here and there and a smattering of odds and ends. Cool! For the programmer types, O'Reilly is looking for someone to review their Twitter API book; anyone interested? http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596154615/index.html Let me know and I'll see if we can make it happen. Leam From phma at phma.optus.nu Tue Mar 31 12:22:47 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Mon Mar 30 21:57:55 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What are you? In-Reply-To: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> References: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> Message-ID: <200903311222.48556.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Saturday 28 March 2009 16:52:19 Leam Hall wrote: > Informal poll at the March meeting: "Are you a systems person, a > programmer, or something else?" > > Came out to be 5-3 Systems vs programmers with a lot of enterprise level > experience. There's nothing wrong with being either, both, or something > totally different but it might be nice to see what sort of talent we > have in the group. > > So let's continue the poll. Would you describe yourself as a systems > person, a programmer, or something else? The latter might include DBA, > project manager, recruiter, or something else entirely. > > For the record I'm a systems guy and wannabe programmer in Python, PHP, > C, and shell. :) Programmer with some systems experience with mail and web servers. My current projects (none of which I have time for because of work and school) include Bezitopo, a topographic map program; Starfish, a normal random number generator; Mumzel, a data transmission code; FPtest, a research project about floating point arithmetic; Shanbit, which extracts pure information out of a stream of arbitrary-distribution random numbers; Wormcode, a data transmission code; and 23z, a data compression algorithm. I've also written some web sites with database back ends. Pierre From bobevans19 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 12:47:36 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Mon Mar 30 22:22:41 2009 Subject: [Charlug] LUG Programmers and Twitter API? In-Reply-To: <49D23AFA.6030101@reuel.net> References: <49D23AFA.6030101@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190903310947y258a5a52wff356a1b15d4f18f@mail.gmail.com> And don't forget...the LUG has a Safari online account with all these titles... Contact me off list for a sign on................ On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > Well, the informal survey results are in and we're about half and half > systems people and programmers, with a bit of cross-over here and there a= nd > a smattering of odds and ends. Cool! > > For the programmer types, O'Reilly is looking for someone to review their > Twitter API book; anyone interested? > > http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596154615/index.html > > Let me know and I'll see if we can make it happen. > > Leam > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090331/2402b69b/att= achment.htm From wiggins at danconia.org Tue Mar 31 13:49:07 2009 From: wiggins at danconia.org (Wiggins d'Anconia) Date: Mon Mar 30 23:24:10 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What are you? In-Reply-To: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> References: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> Message-ID: <49D25793.7060408@danconia.org> Leam Hall wrote: > Informal poll at the March meeting: "Are you a systems person, a > programmer, or something else?" > Short time listener, first time poster... (aka moved to Charlotte in August). > Came out to be 5-3 Systems vs programmers with a lot of enterprise level > experience. There's nothing wrong with being either, both, or something > totally different but it might be nice to see what sort of talent we > have in the group. > > So let's continue the poll. Would you describe yourself as a systems > person, a programmer, or something else? The latter might include DBA, > project manager, recruiter, or something else entirely. > A programmer primarily with full stack experience, aka I dabble in systems, as a DBA, and a project manager when necessary. Primarily do development in Perl for web/ecommerce solutions, have occasionally worked in Rails and will likely more in the future. Been running Linux on the desktop for around a decade and serve from it as well, so I recall the days when it wasn't quite so simple... aka don't move the mouse during X configuration or it will crash and take you a month to figure out how to get something other than a terminal :-). Running Ubuntu these days with stints on Slackware, Red Hat and Fedora in between. I have a newborn at home and a wife who was studying for a board exam which is now over, so hopefully I'll make it to a round of meetings sometime in the near future. Brian (aka wiggins) From meuon at geeklabs.com Tue Mar 31 14:26:15 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Tue Mar 31 00:01:19 2009 Subject: [Charlug] What are you? In-Reply-To: <49D25793.7060408@danconia.org> References: <49CE8E03.8030209@reuel.net> <49D25793.7060408@danconia.org> Message-ID: > Leam Hall wrote: >> Informal poll at the March meeting: "Are you a systems person, a >> programmer, or something else?" brain fart while coding: Geek, Mostly Lurker in Charlug. I visit Charlotte often as the sub-contractor of a sub-contractor and was looking for signs of intelligent life so I joined Charlug. Co-Founded Chugalug.org in.. uh.. 99? - Chugalug = Chattanooga Unix Gnu and Linux Users Group. Started life as an electronics tech, then "engineer", then "programmer" then systems/networking guy (Built/ran ASN-3901 and a few others), biz-dev-guru (then I took a bath), and now I'm an "everything" building a couple of small companies. Now I spend a lot of time doing PHP/Perl/C code... and meetings. My main business card says "Systems Architect" but I like just being me.. a geek that solves problems. I -love- being told: "You can't do ______" A former competitor once put up a website called "arrogantgeekbastard.com" about me... but took it down when he found I was laughing about it and using it as a reference. I always liked the description though. Current projects: GrokRock.com - yet another online learning management system. PHP, MySQL, Some weird JavaScript. UtiliJoule.com - industrial sub-metering. PHP, MySQL, C, Perl.. UtiliFlex.com - "Smart Grid/Smart Meter" = Utility Systems PHP, MySQL, C, Asterisk, Perl, Flash.. everything including the kitchen sink. 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