From mmhamric at gmail.com Thu Jan 1 18:40:11 2009 From: mmhamric at gmail.com (Mark Hamrick) Date: Thu Jan 1 22:02:12 2009 Subject: [Charlug] 2009 speakers,,,Red Hat In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190812310221t369de3fcyac30741073e7a620@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190812310221t369de3fcyac30741073e7a620@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <144368AB-8C61-4F5D-A931-313AAB98139F@gmail.com> For those of you who have not had a chance to see Spot speak I highly recommend him. He is one of the best presenters at FudCon and Summit. Bob pulled an ace on this one. Mark On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:21 AM, "Bob Evans" wrote: > My bad! I forgot to mention that I lined up a Red Hat guy to speak. > For those who remember "spot", he's out of state now, but got us > hooked up with Greg Dekoenigsberg > in Raleigh, so think about when we would want him here.... > > > OBTW - "spot" is now in charge of Fedora Engineering for the Hat... > > > ::: > > Thanks, > > Bob Evans > ... > > I came from a real tough neighborhood. I put my hand in some cement > and felt another hand. > > -Rodney Dangerfield > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From jason at rampaginggeek.com Fri Jan 2 18:03:31 2009 From: jason at rampaginggeek.com (Jason Edgecombe) Date: Fri Jan 2 03:34:00 2009 Subject: [Charlug] 2009 speakers,,,Red Hat In-Reply-To: <144368AB-8C61-4F5D-A931-313AAB98139F@gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190812310221t369de3fcyac30741073e7a620@mail.gmail.com> <144368AB-8C61-4F5D-A931-313AAB98139F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <495E9D43.10008@rampaginggeek.com> Is Spot coming to the meeting tomorrow? Jason Mark Hamrick wrote: > For those of you who have not had a chance to see Spot speak I highly > recommend him. He is one of the best presenters at FudCon and Summit. > Bob pulled an ace on this one. > > Mark > > > On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:21 AM, "Bob Evans" wrote: > >> My bad! I forgot to mention that I lined up a Red Hat guy to speak. >> For those who remember "spot", he's out of state now, but got us >> hooked up with Greg Dekoenigsberg >> in Raleigh, so think about when we would want him here.... >> >> >> OBTW - "spot" is now in charge of Fedora Engineering for the Hat... >> >> >> ::: >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bob Evans >> ... >> >> I came from a real tough neighborhood. I put my hand in some cement >> and felt another hand. >> >> -Rodney Dangerfield >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Jan 2 18:35:28 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Jan 2 04:05:57 2009 Subject: [Charlug] 2009 speakers,,,Red Hat In-Reply-To: <495E9D43.10008@rampaginggeek.com> References: <7c5cd1190812310221t369de3fcyac30741073e7a620@mail.gmail.com> <144368AB-8C61-4F5D-A931-313AAB98139F@gmail.com> <495E9D43.10008@rampaginggeek.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901021535w77b80034l961cfd5ca4c2be9c@mail.gmail.com> no. he's lined up a NC Redhat resource to speak at a future CharLUG mtg... Although spot is a Charlotte native, he currently works outside of Boston on the Fedora engineering team... Full disclosure tomorrow... On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jason Edgecombe wr= ote: > Is Spot coming to the meeting tomorrow? > > Jason > > > Mark Hamrick wrote: > >> For those of you who have not had a chance to see Spot speak I highly >> recommend him. He is one of the best presenters at FudCon and Summit. B= ob >> pulled an ace on this one. >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:21 AM, "Bob Evans" wrote: >> >> My bad! I forgot to mention that I lined up a Red Hat guy to speak. For >>> those who remember "spot", he's out of state now, but got us hooked up = with >>> Greg Dekoenigsberg >>> in Raleigh, so think about when we would want him here.... >>> >>> >>> OBTW - "spot" is now in charge of Fedora Engineering for the Hat... >>> >>> >>> ::: >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Bob Evans >>> ... >>> >>> I came from a real tough neighborhood. I put my hand in some cement and >>> felt another hand. >>> >>> -Rodney Dangerfield >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> >> > -- = =3D=3D=3D Thanks, Bob Evans =3D=3D=3D Love is an exploding cigar we willingly smoke. - Lynda Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090102/b9b63edc/att= achment.htm From mmhamric at gmail.com Fri Jan 2 18:40:02 2009 From: mmhamric at gmail.com (Mark Hamrick) Date: Fri Jan 2 04:10:39 2009 Subject: [Charlug] 2009 speakers,,,Red Hat In-Reply-To: <495E9D43.10008@rampaginggeek.com> References: <7c5cd1190812310221t369de3fcyac30741073e7a620@mail.gmail.com> <144368AB-8C61-4F5D-A931-313AAB98139F@gmail.com> <495E9D43.10008@rampaginggeek.com> Message-ID: <1230939602.8506.1.camel@astro> Jason, Speaking of speakers, you and I should really do a presentation on the usage of Linux in the labs at UNCC. I would be interested to know if anyone would care to hear about it, but after 3 years of managing a Linux lab it I know that I have some interesting experiences. Mark On Fri, 2009-01-02 at 18:03 -0500, Jason Edgecombe wrote: > Is Spot coming to the meeting tomorrow? > > Jason > > Mark Hamrick wrote: > > For those of you who have not had a chance to see Spot speak I highly > > recommend him. He is one of the best presenters at FudCon and Summit. > > Bob pulled an ace on this one. > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Dec 31, 2008, at 5:21 AM, "Bob Evans" wrote: > > > >> My bad! I forgot to mention that I lined up a Red Hat guy to speak. > >> For those who remember "spot", he's out of state now, but got us > >> hooked up with Greg Dekoenigsberg > >> in Raleigh, so think about when we would want him here.... > >> > >> > >> OBTW - "spot" is now in charge of Fedora Engineering for the Hat... > >> > >> > >> ::: > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Bob Evans > >> ... > >> > >> I came from a real tough neighborhood. I put my hand in some cement > >> and felt another hand. > >> > >> -Rodney Dangerfield > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CharLUG mailing list > >> CharLUG@charlug.org > >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > _______________________________________________ > > CharLUG mailing list > > CharLUG@charlug.org > > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > > From jason at rampaginggeek.com Fri Jan 2 23:06:56 2009 From: jason at rampaginggeek.com (Jason Edgecombe) Date: Fri Jan 2 08:37:23 2009 Subject: [Charlug] 2009 speakers,,,Red Hat In-Reply-To: <1230939602.8506.1.camel@astro> References: <7c5cd1190812310221t369de3fcyac30741073e7a620@mail.gmail.com> <144368AB-8C61-4F5D-A931-313AAB98139F@gmail.com> <495E9D43.10008@rampaginggeek.com> <1230939602.8506.1.camel@astro> Message-ID: <495EE460.3090400@rampaginggeek.com> Mark Hamrick wrote: > Jason, > > Speaking of speakers, you and I should really do a presentation on the > usage of Linux in the labs at UNCC. I would be interested to know if > anyone would care to hear about it, but after 3 years of managing a > Linux lab it I know that I have some interesting experiences. > > Mark Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to make it tomorrow. That said, I wouldn't mind presenting on Linux labs or anything else that I've done. Other topics that I would be willing to present: * kerberos * openafs * cfengine * Nokia Internet Tablets like the N800. * any number of other things. Just ask. Jason From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 05:21:47 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Jan 2 14:52:13 2009 Subject: [Charlug] 2009 speakers,,,Red Hat In-Reply-To: <495EE460.3090400@rampaginggeek.com> References: <7c5cd1190812310221t369de3fcyac30741073e7a620@mail.gmail.com> <144368AB-8C61-4F5D-A931-313AAB98139F@gmail.com> <495E9D43.10008@rampaginggeek.com> <1230939602.8506.1.camel@astro> <495EE460.3090400@rampaginggeek.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901030221g33ed7da3r562d1f1addb0a7a3@mail.gmail.com> Noted. Thanks for stepping up to the plate. Anyone else? I count 5 so far, so we're good 'til May/June... On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Jason Edgecombe w= rote: > Mark Hamrick wrote: > >> Jason, >> >> Speaking of speakers, you and I should really do a presentation on the >> usage of Linux in the labs at UNCC. I would be interested to know if >> anyone would care to hear about it, but after 3 years of managing a >> Linux lab it I know that I have some interesting experiences. >> >> Mark >> > > Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to make it tomorrow. That said,= I > wouldn't mind presenting on Linux labs or anything else that I've done. > > Other topics that I would be willing to present: > * kerberos > * openafs > * cfengine > * Nokia Internet Tablets like the N800. > * any number of other things. Just ask. > > Jason > > -- = =3D=3D=3D Thanks, Bob Evans =3D=3D=3D Love is an exploding cigar we willingly smoke. - Lynda Barry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jason Bob Evans wrote: > Noted. > Thanks for stepping up to the plate. > > Anyone else? > > I count 5 so far, so we're good 'til May/June... > > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Jason Edgecombe wrote: > > >> Mark Hamrick wrote: >> >> >>> Jason, >>> >>> Speaking of speakers, you and I should really do a presentation on the >>> usage of Linux in the labs at UNCC. I would be interested to know if >>> anyone would care to hear about it, but after 3 years of managing a >>> Linux lab it I know that I have some interesting experiences. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >> Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to make it tomorrow. That said, I >> wouldn't mind presenting on Linux labs or anything else that I've done. >> >> Other topics that I would be willing to present: >> * kerberos >> * openafs >> * cfengine >> * Nokia Internet Tablets like the N800. >> * any number of other things. Just ask. >> >> >> From hardyd0 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 4 12:28:50 2009 From: hardyd0 at yahoo.com (Don Hardy) Date: Sat Jan 3 21:59:09 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Active Directory authentication for UNIX/Linux Message-ID: <95826.11279.qm@web50312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark, The open source active directory client that I was referring to during yesterday's meeting is offered by Likewise (http://likewisesoftware.com/open_community/index.php). Here's a good article on Likewise's open source active directory client http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS2350659361.html There are two other clients that I'm aware of; one being Centrify's product (http://www.centrify.com/solutions/unix-linux-identity-management.asp) and the other is Quest's product formerly known as Vintela (http://www.quest.com/Authentication-Services). My company recently migrated off of NIS to Vintela for many of our AIX, Linux, and Solaris servers. -Don -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If not, see link...: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/09/16/video-the-history-of-fedora/ I am attaching the spreadsheet I did today, with 2009 speakers. Send any/all corrections to me & I'll post it. Also, I'll talk to the speakers to line up their availability. THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO SUGGEST WHERE/WHEN YOU WANT TO MEET IN 2009... It is up to the majority... -- = =3D=3D=3D Thanks, Bob Evans =3D=3D=3D Love is an exploding cigar we willingly smoke. - Lynda Barry -- = =3D=3D=3D Thanks, Bob Evans =3D=3D=3D "Something hit me very hard once, thinking about what one little man could do. Think of the Queen Mary=8Bthe whole ship goes by and then comes the rudder. And there's a tiny thing at the edge of the rudder called a trim tab. It's a miniature rudder. Just moving the little trim tab builds a low pressure that pulls the rudder around. Takes almost no effort at all. So I said that the little individual can be a trim tab. Society thinks it's going right by you, that it's left you altogether. But if you're doing dynamic things mentally, the fact is that you can just put your foot out like that and the whole big ship of state is going to go. So I said, call me Trim Tab." =97R. Buckminster Fuller, Barry Farrell (Playboy Interview, Feb 1972) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090104/6419dce9/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 04:18:04 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Jan 4 19:28:41 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Fwd: Mtg Notes... 01/03/09 In-Reply-To: <496174F9.7040107@rampaginggeek.com> References: <7c5cd1190901031808k23916cb7v4265f0e4cf54b25c@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901041616q5236dc41s8d1741085b83036@mail.gmail.com> <496157DF.5020502@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190901041722r52ec4622m9f55d77b424adf09@mail.gmail.com> <496174F9.7040107@rampaginggeek.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901050118v11e70c3g9f62723ea8f3ddc4@mail.gmail.com> Topic Proposed time (date) and location Special equipment needed (y/n) This would be a projector On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Jason Edgecombe wr= ote: > Thanks. > > I'm not sure which one is me. Both Mark Hamrick and I work at UNC > Charlotte. What info do you need from me? > > Jason > > > Bob Evans wrote: > >> Yep..... >> >> But when I 1st attached it & sent to charlug@charlug.org, it >> disappeared..... >> >> wtf >> >> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jason Edgecombe > >wrote: >> >> >> >>> Was there supposed to be an attachment or link to a spreadsheet? If the= re >>> was, I didn't get it. >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Bob Evans >>>> Date: Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM >>>> Subject: Mtg Notes... 01/03/09 >>>> To: "charlug@charlug.org" >>>> >>>> >>>> Miscellaneous notes. Basically a memory dump: >>>> >>>> I will post pix later this w/e. Please caption yourself so we can tell >>>> who >>>> is who. >>>> >>>> The Red Hat speaker will be Greg Dekoenigsberg. Greg should be familiar >>>> to >>>> you if you use Fedora. If not, see link...: >>>> >>>> http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/09/16/video-the-history-of-fedora/ >>>> >>>> I am attaching the spreadsheet I did today, with 2009 speakers. Send >>>> any/all >>>> corrections to me & I'll post it. Also, I'll talk to the speakers to >>>> line >>>> up >>>> their availability. >>>> >>>> THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO SUGGEST WHERE/WHEN YOU WANT TO MEET IN >>>> 2009... >>>> >>>> It is up to the majority... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------= --- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > -- = =3D=3D=3D Thanks, Bob Evans =3D=3D=3D "Something hit me very hard once, thinking about what one little man could do. Think of the Queen Mary=8Bthe whole ship goes by and then comes the rudder. And there's a tiny thing at the edge of the rudder called a trim tab. It's a miniature rudder. Just moving the little trim tab builds a low pressure that pulls the rudder around. Takes almost no effort at all. So I said that the little individual can be a trim tab. Society thinks it's going right by you, that it's left you altogether. But if you're doing dynamic things mentally, the fact is that you can just put your foot out like that and the whole big ship of state is going to go. So I said, call me Trim Tab." =97R. Buckminster Fuller, Barry Farrell (Playboy Interview, Feb 1972) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090105/daca587f/att= achment.htm From rick at niof.net Mon Jan 5 10:07:53 2009 From: rick at niof.net (Rick Pasotto) Date: Sun Jan 4 19:38:17 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Fwd: Mtg Notes... 01/03/09 In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901050118v11e70c3g9f62723ea8f3ddc4@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190901031808k23916cb7v4265f0e4cf54b25c@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901041616q5236dc41s8d1741085b83036@mail.gmail.com> <496157DF.5020502@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190901041722r52ec4622m9f55d77b424adf09@mail.gmail.com> <496174F9.7040107@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190901050118v11e70c3g9f62723ea8f3ddc4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090105150753.GG5641@niof.net> On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 04:18:04AM -0500, Bob Evans wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Jason Edgecombe wrote: > > > Bob Evans wrote: > > > >> Yep..... > >> > >> But when I 1st attached it & sent to charlug@charlug.org, it > >> disappeared..... > >> > >> wtf > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Jason Edgecombe >> >wrote: > >> > >>> Was there supposed to be an attachment or link to a spreadsheet? If there > >>> was, I didn't get it. How confusing when people stupidly top post. This is a mailman mailing list. Mailman can be configured to delete all non-html or non-text attachements (or any subset thereof). On my lists I also generally have mailman convert html to text so the only thing that goes out is plain text. -- "Civilization is a limitless multiplication of unnecessary necessities." -- Mark Twain *KH* Rick Pasotto rick@niof.net http://www.niof.net From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 04:16:19 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Jan 4 19:41:18 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Fwd: Mtg Notes... 01/03/09 In-Reply-To: References: <7c5cd1190901031808k23916cb7v4265f0e4cf54b25c@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901041616q5236dc41s8d1741085b83036@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901050116g74f7eba7q78dd00f397152677@mail.gmail.com> Contents of spreadsheet SPEAKERS09.XLS: * Guest speakers* Wes Yates Richard Hipp UNCC Kevin Jones UNCC RedHat eight nine ten eleven twelve On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Alex Rutchka wrote: > Bob, > There was no attached spreadsheet. Did you really attach? > > Alex > > On Jan 4, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Bob Evans wrote: > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Bob Evans > Date: Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM > Subject: Mtg Notes... 01/03/09 > To: "charlug@charlug.org" > > > Miscellaneous notes. Basically a memory dump: > > I will post pix later this w/e. Please caption yourself so we can tell who > is who. > > The Red Hat speaker will be Greg Dekoenigsberg. Greg should be familiar to > you if you use Fedora. If not, see link...: > > http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/09/16/video-the-history-of-fedora/ > > I am attaching the spreadsheet I did today, with 2009 speakers. Send > any/all corrections to me & I'll post it. Also, I'll talk to the speakers= to > line up their availability. > > THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO SUGGEST WHERE/WHEN YOU WANT TO MEET IN 2009.= .. > > It is up to the majority... > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D > Thanks, > > Bob Evans > =3D=3D=3D > Love is an exploding cigar we willingly smoke. > - Lynda Barry > > > > > > -- > =3D=3D=3D > Thanks, > > Bob Evans > =3D=3D=3D > > "Something hit me very hard once, thinking about what one little man could > do. Think of the Queen Mary=8Bthe whole ship goes by and then comes the > rudder. And there's a tiny thing at the edge of the rudder called a trim > tab. > It's a miniature rudder. Just moving the little trim tab builds a low > pressure that pulls the rudder around. Takes almost no effort at all. So I > said that the little individual can be a trim tab. Society thinks it's go= ing > right by you, that it's left you altogether. But if you're doing dynamic > things mentally, the fact is that you can just put your foot out like that > and the whole big ship of state is going to go. > So I said, call me Trim Tab." > > =97R. Buckminster Fuller, Barry Farrell (Playboy Interview, Feb 1972) > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > > -- = =3D=3D=3D Thanks, Bob Evans =3D=3D=3D "Something hit me very hard once, thinking about what one little man could do. Think of the Queen Mary=8Bthe whole ship goes by and then comes the rudder. And there's a tiny thing at the edge of the rudder called a trim tab. It's a miniature rudder. Just moving the little trim tab builds a low pressure that pulls the rudder around. Takes almost no effort at all. So I said that the little individual can be a trim tab. Society thinks it's going right by you, that it's left you altogether. 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URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090105/30f1c4ee/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 13:05:46 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Jan 4 22:35:59 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Fwd: Mtg Notes... 01/03/09 In-Reply-To: <20090105150753.GG5641@niof.net> References: <7c5cd1190901031808k23916cb7v4265f0e4cf54b25c@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901041616q5236dc41s8d1741085b83036@mail.gmail.com> <496157DF.5020502@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190901041722r52ec4622m9f55d77b424adf09@mail.gmail.com> <496174F9.7040107@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190901050118v11e70c3g9f62723ea8f3ddc4@mail.gmail.com> <20090105150753.GG5641@niof.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901051005w6a52537ak7052e8b4a0ded47@mail.gmail.com> Rick I apologize. My email client defaults got messed up. Hope to see you at future LUG mtgs. -Bob From bobevans19 at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 05:10:08 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:40:07 2009 Subject: [Charlug] LTSP news Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901080210v4fb2f032o81ddaa10a138b735@mail.gmail.com> We touched briefly on the Linux terminal Server Project (LTSP) on Saturday. I am not an artist, but I know there are a few in the CharLUG. You might be interested in this: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/web/documentation/logoContestFlyer.pdf -be From bobevans19 at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 14:30:23 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Thu Jan 8 00:00:19 2009 Subject: [Charlug] http://freelinuxpc.org/ Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901081130i36abac18pe39b9fbeb819251e@mail.gmail.com> This is a link to the site for Free Linux PC. We will have Kevin Jones here at an upcoming meeting to tell us all about his project in SC. Kevin's a member of UCLUG, in the Greenville/Spatanburg area. (Or as we call it - Wes Yates territory..) From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 02:15:40 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Jan 9 11:45:28 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Saturday meeting schedule -draft proposal... Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901092315yd75e5bei7d6d9a9d5b447189@mail.gmail.com> I am proposing that, as part of the monthly Saturday meeting schedule for 2009, we use one meeting per quarter for Install fests. I further propose that we rotate these install fests to different CPCC campuses. Finally, I propose that the 1st quarter Charlug Install fest be held at the Levine Campus in Matthews. Any comments? Suggestons? From hardyd0 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 10 11:46:56 2009 From: hardyd0 at yahoo.com (Don Hardy) Date: Fri Jan 9 21:16:43 2009 Subject: [Charlug] CharLUG Website suggestions References: <20090109170003.778C95884@mail.charlug.org> Message-ID: <456727.98251.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, I would like to make a couple of suggestions for when the CharLUG website is updated/revamped. My first suggestion would be to incorporate support for OpenID. Here are a couple of URLs regarding OpenID and Joomla: http://www.joomlaspan.com/general/joomla-openid-and-user-registration.php, http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/1557/details. My second suggestion would to be install web polls, which could be used to poll members for interest in topics for meetings, and selecting meeting dates & locations. Here is an how-to article on installing web polls in Joomla http://www.ehow.com/how_2204509_install-web-polls-joomla-website.html?ref=fuel&utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=ssp&utm_campaign=yssp_art. 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Message-ID: <200901161704.41621.phma@phma.optus.nu> I have a thumb drive and a camera memory card. I'm trying to edit /etc/fstab so that both of them will mount in their proper directories. The thumb drive has a volume label and a UUID; the camera has neither. Is there a way to set them without reformatting the filesystem? I checked man mkfs.vfat, and there is a -n option for setting the label, but it also rewrites the filesystem from scratch. Pierre From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 17:48:15 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Jan 16 03:17:26 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Can I set the label or UUID of a vfat filesystem? In-Reply-To: <200901161704.41621.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200901161704.41621.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901161448h2eea514s6b5940a94ff8abf9@mail.gmail.com> T24gRnJpLCBKYW4gMTYsIDIwMDkgYXQgNTowNCBQTSwgUGllcnJlIEFiYmF0IDxwaG1hQHBobWEu b3B0dXMubnU+IHdyb3RlOgoKPiBJIGhhdmUgYSB0aHVtYiBkcml2ZSBhbmQgYSBjYW1lcmEgbWVt b3J5IGNhcmQuIEknbSB0cnlpbmcgdG8gZWRpdAo+IC9ldGMvZnN0YWIKPiBzbyB0aGF0IGJvdGgg b2YgdGhlbSB3aWxsIG1vdW50IGluIHRoZWlyIHByb3BlciBkaXJlY3Rvcmllcy4gVGhlIHRodW1i Cj4gZHJpdmUKPiBoYXMgYSB2b2x1bWUgbGFiZWwgYW5kIGEgVVVJRDsgdGhlIGNhbWVyYSBoYXMg bmVpdGhlci4gSXMgdGhlcmUgYSB3YXkgdG8KPiBzZXQKPiB0aGVtIHdpdGhvdXQgcmVmb3JtYXR0 aW5nIHRoZSBmaWxlc3lzdGVtPyBJIGNoZWNrZWQgbWFuIG1rZnMudmZhdCwgYW5kCj4gdGhlcmUK PiBpcyBhIC1uIG9wdGlvbiBmb3Igc2V0dGluZyB0aGUgbGFiZWwsIGJ1dCBpdCBhbHNvIHJld3Jp dGVzIHRoZSBmaWxlc3lzdGVtCj4gZnJvbSBzY3JhdGNoLgo+CgpXaGF0IGhhcHBlbnMgd2hlbiB5 b3UgaW5zZXJ0IHRoZSBjYW1lcmEgc3RpY2s/CgoKCgo+Cj4gUGllcnJlCj4gX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KPiBDaGFyTFVHIG1haWxpbmcgbGlz dAo+IENoYXJMVUdAY2hhcmx1Zy5vcmcKPiBodHRwOi8vY2hhcmx1Zy5vcmcvY2dpLWJpbi9tYWls bWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL2NoYXJsdWcKPgoKCgotLSAKdGh4CgotYmUKCklmIG5vYm9keSBzcG9rZSB1 bmxlc3MgaGUgaGFkIHNvbWV0aGluZyB0byBzYXksIHRoZSBodW1hbiByYWNlIHdvdWxkIHZlcnkK c29vbiBsb3NlIHRoZSB1c2Ugb2Ygc3BlZWNoLgogLSBXLiBTb21lcnNldCBNYXVnaGFtCi0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tIG5leHQgcGFydCAtLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQpBbiBIVE1MIGF0dGFjaG1lbnQgd2Fz IHNjcnViYmVkLi4uClVSTDogaHR0cDovL2NoYXJsdWcub3JnL3BpcGVybWFpbC9jaGFybHVnL2F0 dGFjaG1lbnRzLzIwMDkwMTE2L2U3MzZlOWI3L2F0dGFjaG1lbnQuaHRtCg== From phma at phma.optus.nu Fri Jan 16 20:02:53 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Fri Jan 16 05:32:07 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Can I set the label or UUID of a vfat filesystem? In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901161448h2eea514s6b5940a94ff8abf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901161704.41621.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901161448h2eea514s6b5940a94ff8abf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901162002.54198.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Friday 16 January 2009 17:48:15 Bob Evans wrote: > What happens when you insert the camera stick? Something apparently run by KDE, which I haven't figured out how to control, mounts it on /mnt/camera, which is where I set it up in /etc/fstab before I bought the thumb drive. The same thing used to happen when I stuck in the thumb drive. I'd like it to mount the thumb drive at /media/thumb (or /mnt/thumb; I'm not sure why there are both /media and /mnt), even if I insert both of them, regardless of order. I have a script for getting pictures from the camera stick and another script for rsyncing files on the thumb drive, which I use for school. Pierre From hardyd0 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 17 09:56:18 2009 From: hardyd0 at yahoo.com (Don Hardy) Date: Fri Jan 16 19:25:26 2009 Subject: [Charlug] CharLUG Website suggestions References: <20090109170003.778C95884@mail.charlug.org> <456727.98251.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7c5cd1190901101115g60eeef0cu7b2ac77725085fe6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <812615.31597.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi Bob, If folks feel my suggestions for the charlug website would be beneficial, I'd be happy to implement them. I gathered from our last Linux meeting that the website is being hosted on a VM and that a new VM had been built by Shawn. Anyway, if I may have the details about the website, I can start making the updates based on everyone's feedback. Thanks, Don ________________________________ From: Bob Evans To: Don Hardy Cc: charlug@charlug.org Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:15:02 PM Subject: Re: [Charlug] CharLUG Website suggestions On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Don Hardy wrote: Folks, I would like to make a couple of suggestions for when the CharLUG website is updated/revamped. My first suggestion would be to incorporate support for OpenID. Here are a couple of URLs regarding OpenID and Joomla: http://www.joomlaspan.com/general/joomla-openid-and-user-registration.php, http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/1557/details. My second suggestion would to be install web polls, which could be used to poll members for interest in topics for meetings, and selecting meeting dates & locations. Here is an how-to article on installing web polls in Joomla http://www.ehow.com/how_2204509_install-web-polls-joomla-website.html?ref=fuel&utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=ssp&utm_campaign=yssp_art. By the way, if there is anything that I can do to assist in updating the charlug website, just let me know. -Don _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug Don Excellent suggestions. Le's get together and plan our next move(s). Of course, anybody else is welcome to participate. -- thx -be He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave. - Sir William Drummond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090117/189c1b4f/attachment.htm From KSISSON at carolina.rr.com Sat Jan 17 12:18:03 2009 From: KSISSON at carolina.rr.com (Kevin) Date: Fri Jan 16 21:47:35 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Can I set the label or UUID of a vfat filesystem? In-Reply-To: <200901162002.54198.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200901161704.41621.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901161448h2eea514s6b5940a94ff8abf9@mail.gmail.com> <200901162002.54198.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <497212CB.3030403@carolina.rr.com> Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 16 January 2009 17:48:15 Bob Evans wrote: > >> What happens when you insert the camera stick? >> > > Something apparently run by KDE, which I haven't figured out how to control, > mounts it on /mnt/camera, which is where I set it up in /etc/fstab before I > bought the thumb drive. The same thing used to happen when I stuck in the > thumb drive. I'd like it to mount the thumb drive at /media/thumb > (or /mnt/thumb; I'm not sure why there are both /media and /mnt), even if I > insert both of them, regardless of order. I have a script for getting > pictures from the camera stick and another script for rsyncing files on the > thumb drive, which I use for school. > > Pierre > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > KDE has an auto-mounting program; I don't use it and have forgotten it name. I think it uses HAL, which I don't use either. However, if you are using udev, that might be doing the device assignment . Check in /etc/udev for a bunch of files named *.rules. There is (at least) one for storage. You might check the rules files for mention of usb memory sticks or usb drives. udev might be controlling what happens when they get plugged it. Edit the appropriate file to get the behavior you want. 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Here's a request for "stuff". If you have any of these items and are willing to donate to a Linux project, let's give them a hand... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Norton Cater Date: Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 2:23 PM Subject: [FLPC] FLPC status report To: uclug-flpc@googlegroups.com Dear FLPC enthusiasts: The four current Wednesday volunteers : Jim Biggers, Brian Roberts, Tom Ashley and myself, have spent the past two Wednesdays at the Easley FLPC lab working on behalf of the program. We have discarded a number of computers that are beyond use, cleaned out the various cards that are beyond their prime, and are left with all current equipment configured...until we get more computers to reconfigure. There are currently two complete desktops, Ubuntu 8.04 installed, 8 monitors (1 an LCD), numerous keyboards, some speakers and a limited quantity of mice. Two old/slow laptops have PCLOS installed; these may not be suitable for people who are new computer users, but might be useful for Linux expermentation by someone more experienced. To provide a system that is ready to use, our age limit should be near the five year mark - older equipment will end up putting us in the transportation/discard business (not desired). Moving forward, we need usable equipment, particularly 128 and 256 current style (DDR or newer) memory sticks. Kurt Stevens provided several 128MB PC100/133 sticks. The computers we have seen recently (and particulary those less than 5 years old) require primarily DDR PC2100 and above. NEEDS : - Desktop computers less than 5 years old - DDR and newer PC2100 and above memory - PS2 mice, preferrably wheel type - An additional supply of hard drives and most importantly... - Publicity to generate a flow of computers We have made presentations to Easley and Mauldin Rotary Clubs about the FLPC program and have a slide show to present to other groups - if any of you are active in similar groups (community service organizations, etc.), this may be of interest to you. Norton Cater --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "UCLUG-FLPC" group. To post to this group, send email to uclug-flpc@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to uclug-flpc+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/uclug-flpc?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- -- thx -be I love being a writer. What I can't stand is the paperwork. - Peter De Vries -- thx -be I love being a writer. What I can't stand is the paperwork. - Peter De Vries From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 16:15:50 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Jan 18 01:44:52 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Announcing : Charlug...1st Quarter :::Installfest::: Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901181315o5981e37et63f69cc7c9f25bc8@mail.gmail.com> Who: CharLUG members, friends, anyone who wants to install Linux... What: CharLUG 1st Quarter 2009 ::: INSTALLFEST::: Where: Levine Campus of Central Piedmont Community College When: Saturday, January 24th, from 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM Why: Spread the word... From jason at rampaginggeek.com Sun Jan 18 20:12:50 2009 From: jason at rampaginggeek.com (Jason Edgecombe) Date: Sun Jan 18 05:41:50 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Announcing : Charlug...1st Quarter :::Installfest::: In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901181315o5981e37et63f69cc7c9f25bc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190901181315o5981e37et63f69cc7c9f25bc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4973D392.9060107@rampaginggeek.com> Bob Evans wrote: > Who: CharLUG members, friends, anyone who wants to install Linux... > > What: CharLUG 1st Quarter 2009 ::: INSTALLFEST::: > > Where: Levine Campus of Central Piedmont Community College > > When: Saturday, January 24th, from 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM > > Why: Spread the word.. Doesn't this conflict with BarCamp Charlotte? Jason From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 20:55:38 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (bobevans19@gmail.com) Date: Sun Jan 18 06:24:37 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Announcing : Charlug...1st Quarter :::Installfest::: Message-ID: <001636163c5f22def80460cc38ba@google.com> > > Doesn't this conflict with BarCamp Charlotte? > Well, we aren't locked into using CPCC. I'll check & see if we can move the= = installfest to the BarCamp location (Area 15 in NODA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090119/bc8324e6/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Jan 19 04:36:36 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Jan 18 14:05:35 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Announcing : Charlug...1st Quarter :::Installfest::: In-Reply-To: <8AB385C612494D1FB810F0E4A14AC251@n7425d7c806e24> References: <001636163c5f22def80460cc38ba@google.com> <8AB385C612494D1FB810F0E4A14AC251@n7425d7c806e24> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901190136w1d6dfff1q959fe40d9efb40bc@mail.gmail.com> I honestly forgot about BarCamp. We can either : 1. Reschedule installfest. (My choice) Move it out seven days........... or 2. Crash BarCamp & hold the installfest there... Any other opinions? On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Bruce wrote: > Dear Bob, > > I know that you're "up there," and I'm just an (effectively) newbie, but I'd > appreciate it, > > I'd like to attend both???? > > --thanks > > --B of C&B > > > > ________________________________ > > From: charlug-bounces@charlug.org [mailto:charlug-bounces@charlug.org] On > Behalf Of bobevans19@gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:56 PM > To: Jason Edgecombe; Bob Evans; charlug@charlug.org > Subject: Re: Re: [Charlug] Announcing : Charlug...1st Quarter > :::Installfest::: > > > >> >> Doesn't this conflict with BarCamp Charlotte? >> > > > Well, we aren't locked into using CPCC. I'll check & see if we can move the > installfest to the BarCamp location (Area 15 in NODA) -- Nothing so fortifies a friendship as a belief on the part of one friend that he is superior to the other. - Honore de Balzac From michael at prismbiz.com Mon Jan 19 18:51:07 2009 From: michael at prismbiz.com (Michael McCandless) Date: Mon Jan 19 04:20:05 2009 Subject: [Charlug] (no subject) Message-ID: <122f145ad11cee1b42e8055487d1c041.squirrel@www.prismbiz.com> Greetings. Our home network environment uses Postfix with the a site-wide mailbox command to deliver using usr/bin/procmail. There is a site-wide procmail recipe at etc/procmailrc which pipes the email to spamassassin, checks for spamminess and then delivers. This works. I have given my college kids a prismbiz.com email alias. This way they only tell their friends one email address, and I switch where it goes to, e.g. kidsname@college.edu. This also works. What is not working is combining the two. The mail redirected to kidsname@college.edu does not go through procmail and spamassassin. What I'm trying to achieve is: - email sent to kidsname@prismbiz.com - go through procmail/spamassassin - forward to kidsname@college.edu Thoughts? --------------------------- Michael McCandless michael@prismbiz.com From llslim at gmail.com Mon Jan 19 19:44:44 2009 From: llslim at gmail.com (Kevin Williams) Date: Mon Jan 19 05:13:39 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Announcing : Charlug...1st Quarter :::Installfest::: In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901190136w1d6dfff1q959fe40d9efb40bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <001636163c5f22def80460cc38ba@google.com> <8AB385C612494D1FB810F0E4A14AC251@n7425d7c806e24> <7c5cd1190901190136w1d6dfff1q959fe40d9efb40bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e765c6e0901191644p393907fbu7e13deee8908d1b1@mail.gmail.com> Barcamp is a great recruiting opportunity if a group of charluggers participate and rep the lug. Don't know an installfest at a meeting like barcamp. Topics would fly over the head of new users, and lug members might not be able to give full attention to installs or higher level topics discussed at the event. Unfortunately I'll be in Greensboro that day so my opinion is not worth anything if not going anyway, but just my thoughts. regards, -Kevin. On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > I honestly forgot about BarCamp. We can either : > > 1. Reschedule installfest. (My choice) Move it out seven days........... > or > 2. Crash BarCamp & hold the installfest there... > > Any other opinions? > > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Bruce wrote: >> Dear Bob, >> >> I know that you're "up there," and I'm just an (effectively) newbie, but I'd >> appreciate it, >> >> I'd like to attend both???? >> >> --thanks >> >> --B of C&B >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: charlug-bounces@charlug.org [mailto:charlug-bounces@charlug.org] On >> Behalf Of bobevans19@gmail.com >> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:56 PM >> To: Jason Edgecombe; Bob Evans; charlug@charlug.org >> Subject: Re: Re: [Charlug] Announcing : Charlug...1st Quarter >> :::Installfest::: >> >> >> >>> >>> Doesn't this conflict with BarCamp Charlotte? >>> >> >> >> Well, we aren't locked into using CPCC. I'll check & see if we can move the >> installfest to the BarCamp location (Area 15 in NODA) > > > > -- > Nothing so fortifies a friendship as a belief on the part of one > friend that he is superior to the other. > - Honore de Balzac > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- Shem Hotep ("I go in peace") -Kevin D. Williams "Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. -- April 4, 1967 From michael at prismbiz.com Mon Jan 19 21:38:42 2009 From: michael at prismbiz.com (Michael McCandless) Date: Mon Jan 19 07:07:37 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Procmail Forward to Aliases In-Reply-To: <49752DE7.6040500@reuel.net> References: <122f145ad11cee1b42e8055487d1c041.squirrel@www.prismbiz.com> <49752DE7.6040500@reuel.net> Message-ID: Leam, since I forgot the subject the first post, I added one. When I use a .forward file, it has the same effect as an entry in etc/aliases - procmail is not invoked, the email is just redirected to kidsname@college.edu I did look at the URL you provided, and that does not seem to do the trick. How about this: if I put a .procmailrc file in the user's home directory, and then add a simple procmail recipe to forward email, I almost have a solution. But the forwarded email now has the prismbiz.com address as sender. Can I use formail to 'adjust' the sender in this scenario? > Could you use a .forward file in their home directories? > > I've not worked with the combination you're talking about, but it seems > like the issue would be iterating through procmail which *normally* > assumes a hand off. As does spamassassin. As does forwarding. > > Does this seem similar to your task? > > http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ProcmailToForwardMail > > Leam > > Michael McCandless wrote: >> Greetings. Our home network environment uses Postfix with the a >> site-wide >> mailbox command to deliver using usr/bin/procmail. There is a site-wide >> procmail recipe at etc/procmailrc which pipes the email to spamassassin, >> checks for spamminess and then delivers. This works. >> >> I have given my college kids a prismbiz.com email alias. This way they >> only tell their friends one email address, and I switch where it goes >> to, >> e.g. kidsname@college.edu. This also works. >> >> What is not working is combining the two. The mail redirected to >> kidsname@college.edu does not go through procmail and spamassassin. >> What >> I'm trying to achieve is: >> >> - email sent to kidsname@prismbiz.com >> - go through procmail/spamassassin >> - forward to kidsname@college.edu >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------- >> Michael McCandless >> michael@prismbiz.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > --------------------------- Michael McCandless michael@prismbiz.com From bobevans19 at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 03:56:11 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Mon Jan 19 13:25:06 2009 Subject: Fwd: [Charlug] Procmail Forward to Aliases In-Reply-To: References: <122f145ad11cee1b42e8055487d1c041.squirrel@www.prismbiz.com> <49752DE7.6040500@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901200056g30c5a92agd79586cb0991e0df@mail.gmail.com> Mike It would be most helpful if you could post an abbreviated set of control file(s). Edit out any sensitive data. Also, can you also send an email with headers? That would be enough information to solve your dilemma. Thanks, -be ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael McCandless Date: Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:38 PM Subject: [Charlug] Procmail Forward to Aliases To: Leam Hall , charlug@charlug.org Leam, since I forgot the subject the first post, I added one. When I use a .forward file, it has the same effect as an entry in etc/aliases - procmail is not invoked, the email is just redirected to kidsname@college.edu I did look at the URL you provided, and that does not seem to do the trick. How about this: if I put a .procmailrc file in the user's home directory, and then add a simple procmail recipe to forward email, I almost have a solution. But the forwarded email now has the prismbiz.com address as sender. Can I use formail to 'adjust' the sender in this scenario? > Could you use a .forward file in their home directories? > > I've not worked with the combination you're talking about, but it seems > like the issue would be iterating through procmail which *normally* > assumes a hand off. As does spamassassin. As does forwarding. > > Does this seem similar to your task? > > http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ProcmailToForwardMail > > Leam > > Michael McCandless wrote: >> Greetings. Our home network environment uses Postfix with the a >> site-wide >> mailbox command to deliver using usr/bin/procmail. There is a site-wide >> procmail recipe at etc/procmailrc which pipes the email to spamassassin, >> checks for spamminess and then delivers. This works. >> >> I have given my college kids a prismbiz.com email alias. This way they >> only tell their friends one email address, and I switch where it goes >> to, >> e.g. kidsname@college.edu. This also works. >> >> What is not working is combining the two. The mail redirected to >> kidsname@college.edu does not go through procmail and spamassassin. >> What >> I'm trying to achieve is: >> >> - email sent to kidsname@prismbiz.com >> - go through procmail/spamassassin >> - forward to kidsname@college.edu >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------- >> Michael McCandless >> michael@prismbiz.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > --------------------------- Michael McCandless michael@prismbiz.com _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug -- Nothing so fortifies a friendship as a belief on the part of one friend that he is superior to the other. - Honore de Balzac From cmpilato at red-bean.com Tue Jan 20 08:25:07 2009 From: cmpilato at red-bean.com (C. Michael Pilato) Date: Mon Jan 19 17:54:02 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Procmail Forward to Aliases In-Reply-To: References: <122f145ad11cee1b42e8055487d1c041.squirrel@www.prismbiz.com> <49752DE7.6040500@reuel.net> Message-ID: <4975D0B3.5040403@red-bean.com> Michael McCandless wrote: > Leam, since I forgot the subject the first post, I added one. > > When I use a .forward file, it has the same effect as an entry in > etc/aliases - procmail is not invoked, the email is just redirected to > kidsname@college.edu > > I did look at the URL you provided, and that does not seem to do the trick. > > How about this: > if I put a .procmailrc file in the user's home directory, and then add a > simple procmail recipe to forward email, I almost have a solution. But the > forwarded email now has the prismbiz.com address as sender. Can I use > formail to 'adjust' the sender in this scenario? File this under "Thinking Inside a Different Box". Spamassassin in, in my experience, a resource hog and pain to train. I use a mail configuration like so: cmpilato@red-bean.com -> Gmail -> cmpilato@red-bean.com I do this all using a .forward file on my home directory on the red-bean server plus Gmail's setting to forward all mails elsewhere, and I can pull it off without any mail loops. You could do the same for your kids, and the setup would be way, way simpler than my own: kiddo@prismbiz.com -> Gmail -> kiddo@college.edu / / aliases rule --' / / Gmail forwarding -----' The benefits are three-fold: Gmail's spam detection is (again, my experience) way better and way easier to manage than spamassassing; not using spamassassin on my server means a noticeable reduction in resource consumption; Gmail archives mail forever, so you don't have to keep every mail in your MUA. Just a suggestion. -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ From dave at dgnal.net Tue Jan 20 09:25:17 2009 From: dave at dgnal.net (David Simmons) Date: Mon Jan 19 18:54:09 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Procmail Forward to Aliases In-Reply-To: <4975D0B3.5040403@red-bean.com> References: <122f145ad11cee1b42e8055487d1c041.squirrel@www.prismbiz.com> <49752DE7.6040500@reuel.net> <4975D0B3.5040403@red-bean.com> Message-ID: <6f7a0fb7f0c888a01dfde25d8c1770aa.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> This is GREAT....and ingenious....it's a 'keeper'...thx for sharing > File this under "Thinking Inside a Different Box". > = > Spamassassin in, in my experience, a resource hog and pain to train. I > use a mail configuration like so: > = > cmpilato@red-bean.com -> Gmail -> cmpilato@red-bean.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090120/c2c5b9a7/att= achment.htm From nkr1ptd at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 12:06:02 2009 From: nkr1ptd at gmail.com (nkr1ptd) Date: Mon Jan 19 21:34:53 2009 Subject: [Charlug] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <122f145ad11cee1b42e8055487d1c041.squirrel@www.prismbiz.com> References: <122f145ad11cee1b42e8055487d1c041.squirrel@www.prismbiz.com> Message-ID: I for one use gmail to accomplish this and encrypt anything private. You can also look at zimbra as the free version allows you to do this and it uses much more than just spamassassin. Which often times is not enough by itself. On 1/19/09, Michael McCandless wrote: > Greetings. Our home network environment uses Postfix with the a site-wide > mailbox command to deliver using usr/bin/procmail. There is a site-wide > procmail recipe at etc/procmailrc which pipes the email to spamassassin, > checks for spamminess and then delivers. This works. > > I have given my college kids a prismbiz.com email alias. This way they > only tell their friends one email address, and I switch where it goes to, > e.g. kidsname@college.edu. This also works. > > What is not working is combining the two. The mail redirected to > kidsname@college.edu does not go through procmail and spamassassin. What > I'm trying to achieve is: > > - email sent to kidsname@prismbiz.com > - go through procmail/spamassassin > - forward to kidsname@college.edu > > Thoughts? > > > > > > --------------------------- > Michael McCandless > michael@prismbiz.com > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- Sent from my mobile device ------------------------- People have a tendency to do the things they hate the most, but somehow the only time they never see it is when they are looking in the mirror. - Brandon L Newport From bobevans19 at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 13:44:14 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Mon Jan 19 23:13:05 2009 Subject: [Charlug] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <122f145ad11cee1b42e8055487d1c041.squirrel@www.prismbiz.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901201044p738c42fbqa81773614b0815a9@mail.gmail.com> I surrender. I now know more about e-mail than I did in the last 30 years as an IT roadie......... Thanks all. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:06 PM, nkr1ptd wrote: > I for one use gmail to accomplish this and encrypt anything private. > You can also look at zimbra as the free version allows you to do this > and it uses much more than just spamassassin. Which often times is > not enough by itself. > > > > On 1/19/09, Michael McCandless wrote: >> Greetings. Our home network environment uses Postfix with the a site-wide >> mailbox command to deliver using usr/bin/procmail. There is a site-wide >> procmail recipe at etc/procmailrc which pipes the email to spamassassin, >> checks for spamminess and then delivers. This works. >> >> I have given my college kids a prismbiz.com email alias. This way they >> only tell their friends one email address, and I switch where it goes to, >> e.g. kidsname@college.edu. This also works. >> >> What is not working is combining the two. The mail redirected to >> kidsname@college.edu does not go through procmail and spamassassin. What >> I'm trying to achieve is: >> >> - email sent to kidsname@prismbiz.com >> - go through procmail/spamassassin >> - forward to kidsname@college.edu >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------- >> Michael McCandless >> michael@prismbiz.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > ------------------------- > People have a tendency to do the things they hate the most, but > somehow the only time they never see it is when they are looking in > the mirror. - Brandon L Newport > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- Nothing so fortifies a friendship as a belief on the part of one friend that he is superior to the other. - Honore de Balzac From bobevans19 at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 14:42:01 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Tue Jan 20 00:10:53 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: Announcing : Charlug...1st Quarter :::Installfest::: In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901181315o5981e37et63f69cc7c9f25bc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190901181315o5981e37et63f69cc7c9f25bc8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901201142i5eb83874xf398610b4481ecb2@mail.gmail.com> I propose that postpone the Install Fest seven (7) days. See y'all Saturday @ http://barcampcharlotte.com On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Bob Evans wrote: > Who: CharLUG members, friends, anyone who wants to install Linux... > > What: CharLUG 1st Quarter 2009 ::: INSTALLFEST::: > > Where: Levine Campus of Central Piedmont Community College > > When: Saturday, January 24th, from 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM > > Why: Spread the word... > -- thx, -be http://carolinux.com http:// Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is everything. - Henri Poincare From dave at dgnal.net Tue Jan 20 22:13:52 2009 From: dave at dgnal.net (David Simmons) Date: Tue Jan 20 07:42:53 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Viewing Applications from all workspaces on the taskbar - in Gnome Message-ID: Guys, Here's a little tid-bit that might help others.....if you have applications running in different work-spaces.....you may notice that the taskbar only shows the applications from your current work-space.? If you're running 1000 things in many different work-spaces, sometimes you'd like to just 'click' on that application and have it take you there (rather than trying to hunt down where it's at). To do this in Gnome is a bit tricky.? What you'll need to do is click on the little bevel area to the left of any open windows (on the taskbar).? What you're hoping to have pop-up is a window called 'Window List Preferences'.? Within this area - click on 'Show Windows from all workspaces' rather than the default 'Show windows from current workspace'.? Then click close....and wa-la! HTH - dave From peter.senft at hpss.de Tue Jan 20 22:21:50 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Tue Jan 20 07:50:55 2009 Subject: [Charlug] DVD catalog Message-ID: <497694CE.5010704@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, for some reason I seem to be unable to use a search engine... I am searching for a nice tool/application to maintain my DVD/CD library (mainly DVD). I don't mind if it is web based or a stand alone application. Does anybody know something like this for Linux/BSD? cu hps - -- /"\ | Peter Senft \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de X against HTML mail | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 / \ | ICQ : 62090394 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkl2lM4ACgkQ8C47DFW4ANPjtwCfa9s2TrydHkNPfqOn01M/yaO3 /cAAnjZ7+x0yMCIXpqf+yi9kRhLZ0Wfn =1Opf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave at dgnal.net Tue Jan 20 22:44:13 2009 From: dave at dgnal.net (David Simmons) Date: Tue Jan 20 08:13:07 2009 Subject: [Charlug] DVD catalog In-Reply-To: <497694CE.5010704@hpss.de> References: <497694CE.5010704@hpss.de> Message-ID: Peter, I'm using VCD-db and like it alot.....it's web server based (LAMP) Check out:=A0 http://vcddb.konni.com/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > = > for some reason I seem to be unable to use a search engine... I am > searching for a nice tool/application to maintain my DVD/CD library > (mainly DVD). I don't mind if it is web based or a stand alone > application. Does anybody know something like this for Linux/BSD? > = > cu hps > = > - -- > /"\ | Peter Senft > \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de > X against HTML mail | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 > / \ | ICQ : 62090394 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > = > iEYEARECAAYFAkl2lM4ACgkQ8C47DFW4ANPjtwCfa9s2TrydHkNPfqOn01M/yaO3 > /cAAnjZ7+x0yMCIXpqf+yi9kRhLZ0Wfn > =3D1Opf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anybody know something like this for Linux/BSD? > > cu hps > > - -- > /"\ | Peter Senft > \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de > X against HTML mail | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 > / \ | ICQ : 62090394 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkl2lM4ACgkQ8C47DFW4ANPjtwCfa9s2TrydHkNPfqOn01M/yaO3 > /cAAnjZ7+x0yMCIXpqf+yi9kRhLZ0Wfn > =3D1Opf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = ------------------------- People have a tendency to do the things they hate the most, but somehow the only time they never see it is when they are looking in the mirror. - Brandon L Newport -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The PC is connected by ethernet cable to a router, which is in turn connected to my Roadrunner cable modem. 2) I go with automatic partitioning, all files in one partition. 3) When asked if I'd like to use a network mirror for installation, select "no." 3) Install "standard system" only (ie unselect the desktop installation). 4) Once linux installation is complete, type "nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and add the following two lines: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free 5) Comment out the CD as a source for future updates by inserting a "#" at the beginning of the line. 6) Type "aptitude update" and 7) Type "aptitude upgrade" and 8) Reboot 9) Type "aptitude install xorg" and 10) Type "lspci" and to show PCI hardware. The Dell Dimension comes with an integrated video card, which shows as follows: 00:01:00 Intel 82810E DC-133 CGC graphics controller (rev 03) However, I've also installed a PCI video card, which shows as follows: 01:08:00 ATI Technologies Inc. RV280[Radeon 9200SE] (Rev 01) 11) Type "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and to configure the video card, keyboard and monitor. When xorg was installed in #9 above, drivers for both the onboard Intel video and the ATI Radeon card were installed automatically. The key is to make sure xorg is configured to point at the video card you're using. You can also change the xorg configuration by typing "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf", but this is a little dangerous. Were I to go with the onboard Intel video driver (which I've found to be awful looking compared to the 128 MB ATI card), the most important part of the file would look like this: Device Identifier "Intel i810" Driver "i810" BusID "PCI:0:1:0" 12) Type "aptitude install fluxbox iceweasel ssh mousepad sudo xfe htop rxvt-unicode numlockx conky" and . This installs the window manager (ie fluxbox) and applications. 13) Type "visudo" and . Add the line: user ALL =3D (ALL) ALL 13) Install fonts I like by typing "aptitude install ttf-bitstream-vera" and 14) Type "nano /X.resources" and to create a file for xterm and urxvt preferences. Note that "X" is capitalized. My file looks like this: urxvt*background: black urxvt*foreground: white urxvt*cursorColor: green urxvt*inheritPixmap: true urxvt*tintColor: DodgerBlue1 urxvt*shading: 50 urxvt*font: xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono-12 XTerm*background: black XTerm*foreground: white XTerm*cursorColor: green XTerm*faceName: bitstream vera sans mono XTerm*faceSize: 12 15) Change the fluxbox menu (right click to see fluxbox's menu) by typing "nano /.fluxbox/menu" and . My menu file looks like this: [begin] (fluxbox) [exec] (urxvt) {urxvt} [exec] (xterm) {xterm} [exec] (xfe) {xfe} [separator] [submenu] (Editors) [exec] (Mousepad) {mousepad} [exec] (Nano) {xterm -T "Nano" -e /bin/nano} [end] [submenu] (Internet) [exec] (Iceweasel) {iceweasel} [exec] (Mutt) {mutt} [end] [submenu] (Programming) [exec] (Python) {xterm -T "Python" -e /usr/bin/python2.4} [end] [submenu] (System) [exec] (Aptitude) {xterm -T "Aptitude" -e /usr/bin/aptitude} [exec] (Conky) {conky} [exec] (Htop) {xterm -T "Htop" -e /usr/bin/htop} [exec] (Top) {xterm -T "Top" -e /usr/bin/top} [end] [separator] [submenu] (Styles) {} [stylesdir] (/usr/share/fluxbox/styles) [stylesdir] (~/.fluxbox/styles) [end] [workspaces] (Workspaces) [reconfig] (Reconfigure) [separator] [exit] (Exit) [exec] (Restart) {sudo init 6} [exec] (Shutdown) {sudo shutdown -h now} [end] I don't use a login manager. After I boot up and log in, I type "startx" to launch fluxbox. The fluxbox setup above is very simple, but it has worked well as a platform for learning linux and surfing the net. I've found the full-fledged desktop environments such as gnome (and even xfce) to be way too much for the old Dell PIII to handle. Everyone on this mailing list is undoubtedly more technical than me, but I thought I'd post this just in case it could be useful for anyone. -Wade -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090121/69e832c2/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Wed Jan 21 14:57:20 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (bobevans19@gmail.com) Date: Wed Jan 21 00:26:03 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Minimal GUI install example In-Reply-To: <5105ce50901211141m3ad24362o89a188bf59e9ade4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00151750e4d8485db2046103902b@google.com> Wade Congrats! You've just explained one of the major pluses of GNU/Linux - the = ability to make good use of older hardware. (What the wags refer to = as "boat anchors") Of course there are several low end gui's for the Linux world. Fluxbox is = one of the best. XFCE is my personal favorite. But let's not start one of = those gui wars. They are similar to distro wars, but much more long winded = & drawn out. -be -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090121/564cc8d7/att= achment.htm From peter.senft at hpss.de Wed Jan 21 17:06:40 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Wed Jan 21 02:35:29 2009 Subject: [Charlug] DVD catalog In-Reply-To: References: <497694CE.5010704@hpss.de> Message-ID: <49779C70.7020605@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, thanks for your responses. I will dig into these and see if they help me :) cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJd5xw8C47DFW4ANMRAsbMAKDMVuv4jgNvZ2HI7H1xEgcLEl5eXQCeITty Y0n2tHWMXb58u1S9y90IXsc= =1zuM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jason at rampaginggeek.com Wed Jan 21 18:47:07 2009 From: jason at rampaginggeek.com (Jason Edgecombe) Date: Wed Jan 21 04:15:52 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Parking at UNC Charlotte Message-ID: <4977B3FB.4060203@rampaginggeek.com> Hi Everyone, I checked with the parking folks on the UNC Charlotte campus. Parking is free from 3PM on Friday until 8AM on Monday in student and visitor parking on campus. Faculty/staff parking is not allowed, but student and visitor parking should be plenty. People must pay to park on weeknights, but this should open up more weekend meeting options for the LUG. Sincerely, Jason From bobevans19 at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 13:09:16 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Wed Jan 21 22:37:56 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oops. Sorry Bill Gates........ Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901221009x33417354r3ab2e16aeb5ca52d@mail.gmail.com> I knew I shouldn't have bought that Linux netbook at Target.......... http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_layoffs_netbooks_sales_are_killing_us -- qualitative: based on qualities From timjowers at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 15:13:53 2009 From: timjowers at gmail.com (Tim Jowers) Date: Thu Jan 22 00:42:34 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oops. Sorry Bill Gates........ In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901221009x33417354r3ab2e16aeb5ca52d@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190901221009x33417354r3ab2e16aeb5ca52d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: How do you like the netbook? Does it play a video acceptably? I wonder how it compares to OLPC. :-) Hmmm, lay off another thousand or cut back on IT waste. Softie and Oracle/BEA might have to start innovating. Maybe they can hire some people from Google or Canonical! My $.02, TimJowers On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Bob Evans wrote: > I knew I shouldn't have bought that Linux netbook at Target.......... > > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_layoffs_netbooks_sales_are_killing_us > > -- > qualitative: based on qualities > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > From bobevans19 at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 22:36:41 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Thu Jan 22 08:05:19 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: install fest In-Reply-To: <40d58041d4fce07ff1f1ee84eca7c3fd@www.bigstring.com> References: <40d58041d4fce07ff1f1ee84eca7c3fd@www.bigstring.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901221936i79d93cf0ve2bffc61d9465852@mail.gmail.com> John We are going to hold off for a week & have it the following Saturday.... Please join us THIS Saturday for a day of geek fun at ::: http;//barcampcharlotte.com thx -be On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:30 PM, wrote: > > > Hi Bob, just discovered your linux group. I'm very new to linux and > interested in finding out > more about the install fest this Sat. How many users do you expect to show > up and what > distros will be installed? I haven't yet joined the group but I am > interested. > > Thanks, John > > ________________________________ > Hunt down your emails like a wild beast with BigString.com's advance > tracking. Signup for a free email account today. -- qualitative: based on qualities From bobevans19 at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 22:46:16 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Thu Jan 22 08:14:54 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Please "join" BarCampCharlotte Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901221946o78e708a4u752d7e83b55c5773@mail.gmail.com> Join http://BarCampCharlotte.com Specifically BarCampLinuxUsers thx, -be -- qualitative: based on qualities From peter.senft at hpss.de Fri Jan 23 09:36:07 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Thu Jan 22 19:04:45 2009 Subject: [Charlug] NAS... Message-ID: <4979D5D7.5070509@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi @all, as my RAID is currently falling apart and the Linux on my server is ancient (Debian potato with a lot of custom changes...) I am currently searching for a nice NAS box as a replacement. Does anybody know a nice box (without hard drives) that can do Gigabit Ethernet and is maybe running a customizable Linux? cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJedXX8C47DFW4ANMRAj6NAJ9xV6LI8CcCAWaXrwjX8nkUJ7dEuACgt0oc my9xgUdaS/0M2dU6dvlvYw8= =H9bl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jared at jaredwatkins.com Fri Jan 23 10:04:48 2009 From: jared at jaredwatkins.com (Jared Watkins) Date: Thu Jan 22 19:33:43 2009 Subject: [Charlug] NAS... In-Reply-To: <4979D5D7.5070509@hpss.de> Message-ID: I like the Synology systems... they have a wide range of hardware configs and they all run a similar linux OS. Personally I have an RS407 and I've helped a few friends setup the DS207+. J On 1/23/09 9:36 AM, "Peter Senft" wrote: > as my RAID is currently falling apart and the Linux on my server is > ancient (Debian potato with a lot of custom changes...) I am currently > searching for a nice NAS box as a replacement. Does anybody know a nice > box (without hard drives) that can do Gigabit Ethernet and is maybe > running a customizable Linux? From dave at dgnal.net Fri Jan 23 10:24:02 2009 From: dave at dgnal.net (David Simmons) Date: Thu Jan 22 19:52:54 2009 Subject: [Charlug] NAS... In-Reply-To: <4979D5D7.5070509@hpss.de> References: <4979D5D7.5070509@hpss.de> Message-ID: <79b83ebad75ae5847b42efd66ddaa37a.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> I've been using these guys: http://www.falconstor.com/en/pages/index.cfm?pn=3DNSSSMB&bhcp=3D1 but it was labeled 'Thermaltake MNAS 4100'....which I don't think they have anymore...but - I can telnet/ssh into the box, etc.=A0 Has been very reliable for the past 1-2 years! -dave > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi @all, > = > as my RAID is currently falling apart and the Linux on my server is > ancient (Debian potato with a lot of custom changes...) I am currently > searching for a nice NAS box as a replacement. Does anybody know a nice > box (without hard drives) that can do Gigabit Ethernet and is maybe > running a customizable Linux? > = > cu hps > = > - -- > | Peter Senft > /"\ = | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de > \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 > X against HTML mail = | ICQ : 62090394 > / \ | Powered by Debian Linux > | #185651 http://counter.li.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > = > iD8DBQFJedXX8C47DFW4ANMRAj6NAJ9xV6LI8CcCAWaXrwjX8nkUJ7dEuACgt0oc > my9xgUdaS/0M2dU6dvlvYw8=3D > =3DH9bl > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090123/ab4553a4/att= achment.htm From ennis.mccaffrey at twcable.com Fri Jan 23 10:29:26 2009 From: ennis.mccaffrey at twcable.com (McCaffrey, Ennis) Date: Thu Jan 22 19:58:35 2009 Subject: [Charlug] NAS... In-Reply-To: <4979D5D7.5070509@hpss.de> References: <4979D5D7.5070509@hpss.de> Message-ID: Have you looked into FreeNAS? http://www.freenas.org It runs FreeBSD as opposed to Linux but it works pretty for home networks. You'll need to supply your own box of course. Ennis P Go Green! Print this email only when necessary. Thank you for helping Time Warner Cable be environmentally responsible. -----Original Message----- From: charlug-bounces@charlug.org [mailto:charlug-bounces@charlug.org] On Behalf Of Peter Senft Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:36 AM To: charlug@charlug.org Subject: [Charlug] NAS... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi @all, as my RAID is currently falling apart and the Linux on my server is ancient (Debian potato with a lot of custom changes...) I am currently searching for a nice NAS box as a replacement. Does anybody know a nice box (without hard drives) that can do Gigabit Ethernet and is maybe running a customizable Linux? cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJedXX8C47DFW4ANMRAj6NAJ9xV6LI8CcCAWaXrwjX8nkUJ7dEuACgt0oc my9xgUdaS/0M2dU6dvlvYw8= =H9bl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout. From peter.senft at hpss.de Fri Jan 23 10:42:49 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Thu Jan 22 20:11:28 2009 Subject: [Charlug] NAS... In-Reply-To: References: <4979D5D7.5070509@hpss.de> Message-ID: <4979E579.4080806@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, McCaffrey, Ennis wrote: > Have you looked into FreeNAS? > http://www.freenas.org > It runs FreeBSD as opposed to Linux but it works pretty for home > networks. not yet, but I don't mind using BSD :). Thanks for the tip! > You'll need to supply your own box of course. That is exactly the crux.. I need the hardware. And it should run Linux or a Unix :). cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJeeV58C47DFW4ANMRAiCcAJ4xyrp9K2vn6vqN04UEMeVQwERYVQCgswi/ 3Pc914RRBLMGyDO2FzeEwNc= =9Zlj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From boomfish at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 14:20:22 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Thu Jan 22 23:48:57 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oops. Sorry Bill Gates........ In-Reply-To: References: <7c5cd1190901221009x33417354r3ab2e16aeb5ca52d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Tim Jowers wrote: > How do you like the netbook? Does it play a video acceptably? I wonder > how it compares to OLPC. > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Bob Evans wrote: > > I knew I shouldn't have bought that Linux netbook at Target.......... > > > > > > > http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_layoffs_netbooks_sales_are_killi= ng_us > I was tempted to buy the Target Eee PC when it came out in the holiday season but I held off since I had just bought some other gadgets. However when Newegg was selling the EeePC 1000 for $400 this month I could no longer resist so I bought one. A comparison of the specifications of the models in the Eee PC family is at http://event.asus.com/eeepc/comparison/eeepc_comparison.htm. The model sold at Target stores is a 900 series, but I can't tell exactly which model. I picked the 1000 model because of the slightly larger size (both screen and keyboard) and the addition of wireless N and Bluetooth. Like many of the earlier Eee PCs, the 1000 uses Solid State for persistant storage, but much more of it ... one 8GB SSD and one 32GB SSD for a total of 40GB. I haven't spent a lot of time on my Eee PC 1000 yet, but I'm very happy with the hardware so far. It boots quickly, the screen is a decent size and I can type comfortably on the keyboard. Connecting to wireless is easy enough; I haven't played with its Bluetooth connectivity yet. The touchpad buttons don't feel quite right, and I am having to teach myself to tap the touchpad instead of left-clicking. I'm not too concerned about the touchpad because I actually don't mind command-line and curses interfaces. In fact I may start using my Eee PC to play NetHack again! However I did find a Bluetooth mouse on sale and decided to buy it just to be on the safe side: I should receive it within the next week. Up until now my only attempt at video playback was playing a Flash SWF through the the Eee Storage service (which uses FUSE to create a local mount). The SWF playback was painful, but that could just as well be due to the performance of Eee Storage. On the other hand, the video feedback from the builtin 1.3 megapixel webcam was quite smooth (I believe it was at 15fps). The software on the Eee PC is another matter. It comes with the applications you expect: Web browser (Firefox), mail client (Thunderbird), media player (mplayer?), VoIP software (Skype), office suite (StarOffice), and so on. However ASUS does not appear to offer an easy way to install additional software. The best option I've seen so far is to hack the APT config files to use unsupported Xandros and Debian repositories with pinning to avoid conflicts. That is option not something I would suggest to Linux newbies. EasyPeasy (formerly known as Ubuntu Eee) seems to be a popular choice for a replacement OS, but as a Debian developer I find the lack of availability of source code and documentation of its internals very disconcerting. I've played enough with embedded Linux devices to know that an OS on such a device should be configured to work around the limited-writes issue with Flash storage: turn off as much logging as possible, map directories for volatile storage to RAM, and so on. I plan on studying the default setup of my Eee PC for a while and documenting the important bits before I even think of doing a custom Linux install. At that point I'm likely to go with Ubuntu Netbook Remix (https://launchpad.net/netbook-remix). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090123/7de92db1/att= achment.htm From tbblake at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 15:15:22 2009 From: tbblake at gmail.com (Todd Blake) Date: Fri Jan 23 00:43:57 2009 Subject: [Charlug] NAS... In-Reply-To: <4979D5D7.5070509@hpss.de> References: <4979D5D7.5070509@hpss.de> Message-ID: If you feel like doing the "heavy lifting" you can always just use linux as well and manually configure all the necessary items. Right now I have a linux(CentOS) box at home doing multiple duties as: Samba Server for the windows clients NFS Server for the mac and any ad-hoc linux tinkering Backups(homegrown) Router/Firewall(iptables) DHCP(ISC dhcpd) Internal DNS/DDNS(ISC bind) Web server if/when I need one So it does all of the needed NAS stuff, but then is generally pretty simple to pile on any other things you might need on a home network. Plus with a little extra work you can add mirroring, LVM, encrypted filesystems even and other extra stuff to make managing it all simpler and more robust. Ultimately though I guess it all boils down to how much work you wanna put in vs having it "just work" vs having it "just work" the way you want it too. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Peter Senft wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi @all, > > as my RAID is currently falling apart and the Linux on my server is > ancient (Debian potato with a lot of custom changes...) I am currently > searching for a nice NAS box as a replacement. Does anybody know a nice > box (without hard drives) that can do Gigabit Ethernet and is maybe > running a customizable Linux? > > cu hps > > - -- > | Peter Senft > /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de > \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 > X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 > / \ | Powered by Debian Linux > | #185651 http://counter.li.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJedXX8C47DFW4ANMRAj6NAJ9xV6LI8CcCAWaXrwjX8nkUJ7dEuACgt0oc > my9xgUdaS/0M2dU6dvlvYw8=3D > =3DH9bl > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090123/86807202/att= achment-0001.htm From boomfish at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 16:14:57 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Fri Jan 23 01:43:31 2009 Subject: [Charlug] NAS... In-Reply-To: <4979E579.4080806@hpss.de> References: <4979D5D7.5070509@hpss.de> <4979E579.4080806@hpss.de> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Peter Senft wrote: > > McCaffrey, Ennis wrote: > > Have you looked into FreeNAS? > > http://www.freenas.org > > It runs FreeBSD as opposed to Linux but it works pretty for home > > networks. > > not yet, but I don't mind using BSD :). Thanks for the tip! > > > You'll need to supply your own box of course. > > That is exactly the crux.. I need the hardware. And it should run Linux > or a Unix :). > > What are your requirements in terms of storage and performance? There are is a wide range of devices on the market to cater for different needs. I currently use a NSLU2 running SlugOSconnected to a 500GB MyBook Essential USB drive for my home storage. I also own a Kurobox HG with a 300GB PATA drive that I plan to install Gentoo on sometime soon. I suspect neither of those devices would meet your needs. One device that is more likely to be a better fit for you is the HP Media Vault MV2120. There is an excellent FAQ for the Media Vault at http://www.k0lee.com/hpmediavault/. The MV2120 model includes a 500GB SATA drive but it also includes a second bay if you have another drive. If you're a Debian fan, Martin Michlmayer has info on installing Debian on a MV2120 on http://www.cyrius.com/debian/orion/hp/mv2120/. My current "dream" networked home theater setup includes a MV2120 along with a Popcorn Hour A-100 Networked Media Tank and a HDhomerun networked HDTV tuner. I could then run MythTV on a Linux desktop to read HDTV programming from the HDhomerun and save it to the MV2120. The Popcorn Hour could then pull recorded shows from the MV2120 via NFS or stream it from MV2120's Twonky media server. A Twonky license is included in the preinstalled OS for the MV2120, so if you want to use Twonky on a Media Vault you have to keep the OS or buy a Twonky license for about $30. Keeping the vendor's Linux install may not be as bad as it sounds: there are Optware repositories to allow you to install additional packages for more functionality. You can try compiling your own programs from source, but keep in mind that Media Vault uses an ARM processor so compiling on the box will be very slow and cross-compiling from another architecture can be quite tricky. The downside of embedded Linux NAS devices is that they are tightly constrained in terms of CPU power and memory. For example, the current line of Media Vaults sport a 500MHz ARM processor with 128MB of RAM. On the bottom end, my NSLU2 has a pitiful 266MHz PPC processor and 32MB of RAM. If you want to run things like a MythTV backend or a development server, an embedded Linux NAS is probably not the way to go. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090123/9c2404cb/att= achment.htm From dave at dgnal.net Fri Jan 23 23:41:13 2009 From: dave at dgnal.net (David Simmons) Date: Fri Jan 23 09:09:57 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Solutions for a 'Transparent Bridge' Message-ID: <863ab3d67022789978561815030bfa04.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> Anyone out there running a transparent bridge and care to share their hardware/software setup with me? What I want to do is be able to log/watch ALL TCP/IP traffic coming from my internet connect to my network....would prefer sometype of aggregated log summaries. Thanks in advance, dave From meuon at geeklabs.com Sat Jan 24 07:18:07 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:46:38 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Solutions for a 'Transparent Bridge' In-Reply-To: <863ab3d67022789978561815030bfa04.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> References: <863ab3d67022789978561815030bfa04.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> Message-ID: > Anyone out there running a transparent bridge and care to share their > hardware/software setup with me? > > What I want to do is be able > to log/watch ALL TCP/IP traffic coming from my internet connect to my > network....would prefer sometype of aggregated log summaries. Many moons ago there was a product called "Network Flight Recorder" aka NFR But is has devolved. Why not run "ntop" ala ntop.org on a machine with the ethernet card set to promiscuous plugged into a hub on the wire. It's one of the reasons I like pfSense for a firewall.. ntop is a click away and it's on the firewall (along with snort and other goodies) From michael at prismbiz.com Sat Jan 24 22:11:36 2009 From: michael at prismbiz.com (Michael McCandless) Date: Sat Jan 24 07:40:14 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Procmail Forward to Aliases In-Reply-To: <4975D0B3.5040403@red-bean.com> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: C. Michael Pilato [mailto:cmpilato@red-bean.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 8:25 AM To: Michael McCandless Cc: Leam Hall; charlug@charlug.org Subject: Re: [Charlug] Procmail Forward to Aliases Michael McCandless wrote: > Leam, since I forgot the subject the first post, I added one. > > When I use a .forward file, it has the same effect as an entry in > etc/aliases - procmail is not invoked, the email is just redirected to > kidsname@college.edu > > I did look at the URL you provided, and that does not seem to do the trick. > > How about this: > if I put a .procmailrc file in the user's home directory, and then add a > simple procmail recipe to forward email, I almost have a solution. But the > forwarded email now has the prismbiz.com address as sender. Can I use > formail to 'adjust' the sender in this scenario? File this under "Thinking Inside a Different Box". Spamassassin in, in my experience, a resource hog and pain to train. I use a mail configuration like so: cmpilato@red-bean.com -> Gmail -> cmpilato@red-bean.com I do this all using a .forward file on my home directory on the red-bean server plus Gmail's setting to forward all mails elsewhere, and I can pull it off without any mail loops. You could do the same for your kids, and the setup would be way, way simpler than my own: kiddo@prismbiz.com -> Gmail -> kiddo@college.edu / / aliases rule --' / / Gmail forwarding -----' The benefits are three-fold: Gmail's spam detection is (again, my experience) way better and way easier to manage than spamassassing; not using spamassassin on my server means a noticeable reduction in resource consumption; Gmail archives mail forever, so you don't have to keep every mail in your MUA. Just a suggestion. -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ Michael, I really liked your suggestion and I am going to file that away for future reference. However, for now, I'm sticking with my Spamassassin setup. When I removed aliases for the kids at college, and used a .procmailrc file in each kid's home directory, email got forwarded to kid@college.edu - but the original sender was replaced by kid@prismbiz.com. I searched around and found the following procmail recipe which uses the original sender. So, now I have: person@internet.com --> kid@prismbiz.com --> local delivery/spamassasin/clamav --> send to kid@college.edu SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail FROM_=`formail -c -I"Reply-To:" -rt -xTo: \ | expand | sed -e 's/^[ ]*//g' -e 's/[ ]*$//g'` SUBJ_=`formail -xSubject: \ | expand | sed -e 's/^[ ]*//g' -e 's/[ ]*$//g'` # Make a copy of all email to my second address :0 * ! ^X-Loop: myid@myhost\.mydom { :0c:${HOME}/procmail.lock | formail -A"X-Loop: myid@myhost.mydom" \ -I"Subject: ${SUBJ_} [autofwd]" \ | ${SENDMAIL} -f"${FROM_}" my2ndId@my2ndHost.mydom From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 07:32:36 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Jan 25 17:00:57 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Installfest - Saturday - January 31st - Levine campus - CPCC - 10 to 2 Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901260432q4466530ek78c061cf48f01349@mail.gmail.com> What do we need to do to prepare for Saturday morning? -- = I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living, It's a way of looking at life through the wrong end of a telescope. Which is what I do, And that enables you to laugh at life's realities. - Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090126/f81b7b64/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Mon Jan 26 08:16:43 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Jan 25 17:45:08 2009 Subject: [Charlug] [OT] Electronics clubs in Charlotte? Message-ID: <497DB7BB.8080709@reuel.net> Anyone know of electronics clubs in the Charlotte area? I've started looking at low-level and embedded stuff and it looks fun. Haven't done anything like that for years though, could use smart people to associate with. Leam From dave at dgnal.net Mon Jan 26 11:58:28 2009 From: dave at dgnal.net (David Simmons) Date: Sun Jan 25 21:27:03 2009 Subject: [Charlug] IP Ranges to block Message-ID: <3e125eafb8a9ac88bd172e34fba67b6e.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> Guys, I'm experiencing alot of 'exposed to the internet' relief on my servers by just adding: ALL: 60. ALL: 219. ALL: 119. to my /etc/hosts.deny=A0=A0=A0 file Any other IP ranges that I should add? Thanks - dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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At that point they can't even tell if I exist... -----Original Message----- From: "David Simmons" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:58:28 To: Subject: [Charlug] IP Ranges to block _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From phma at phma.optus.nu Mon Jan 26 12:31:40 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Sun Jan 25 22:00:02 2009 Subject: [Charlug] IP Ranges to block In-Reply-To: <3e125eafb8a9ac88bd172e34fba67b6e.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> References: <3e125eafb8a9ac88bd172e34fba67b6e.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> Message-ID: <200901261231.41371.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Monday 26 January 2009 11:58:28 David Simmons wrote: > Guys, > > I'm experiencing alot of 'exposed to the internet' > relief on my servers by just adding: > > ALL: 60. > ALL: 219. > ALL: 119. > > to my /etc/hosts.deny??? file > > Any other IP ranges that I should add? Here's the list of all IP addresses that have tried to break in to my box in the past month. Anyone who fails at least ten times in a day to get in by ssh or ftp is dropped on the iptable. --- 116.38.163.170 117.28.224.71 121.32.129.70 122.193.4.115 124.254.63.124 147.83.29.83 189.56.49.147 200.111.152.86 200.150.15.11 200.57.19.206 201.47.187.138 201.90.162.172 202.125.176.2 203.200.81.104 203.250.137.132 203.93.0.3 203.95.104.21 210.40.128.31 210.77.146.53 211.155.224.202 217.27.62.73 218.242.158.100 218.25.25.206 218.62.227.3 220.128.149.198 220.130.139.220 221.186.163.218 221.4.205.132 221.6.179.212 58.222.11.2 58.253.67.58 58.83.8.13 59.185.104.218 60.12.107.159 60.191.43.29 61.108.210.11 61.136.145.5 61.184.101.46 61.185.81.222 61.9.140.67 62.75.176.135 62.77.89.244 64.27.31.185 66.165.168.55 69.72.173.170 70.52.251.254 71.156.184.134 72.52.198.116 72.55.133.104 74.53.247.18 74.63.192.11 74.63.36.250 75.37.250.107 78.38.176.100 79.98.88.2 88.255.101.209 88.255.116.130 92.243.6.96 --- phma From tbblake at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 12:33:52 2009 From: tbblake at gmail.com (Todd Blake) Date: Sun Jan 25 22:02:10 2009 Subject: [Charlug] IP Ranges to block In-Reply-To: <200901261231.41371.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <3e125eafb8a9ac88bd172e34fba67b6e.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> <200901261231.41371.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: It's be nice if something akin to the RBL's that are out there were maintained. Something you could easily suck into an loop and run it through iptables or tcp wrappers or something. I'd start it up myself but in 6 months I'd lack the dedication to maintain it..... On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday 26 January 2009 11:58:28 David Simmons wrote: > > Guys, > > > > I'm experiencing alot of 'exposed to the internet' > > relief on my servers by just adding: > > > > ALL: 60. > > ALL: 219. > > ALL: 119. > > > > to my /etc/hosts.deny file > > > > Any other IP ranges that I should add? > > Here's the list of all IP addresses that have tried to break in to my box > in > the past month. Anyone who fails at least ten times in a day to get in by > ssh > or ftp is dropped on the iptable. > --- > 116.38.163.170 > 117.28.224.71 > 121.32.129.70 > 122.193.4.115 > 124.254.63.124 > 147.83.29.83 > 189.56.49.147 > 200.111.152.86 > 200.150.15.11 > 200.57.19.206 > 201.47.187.138 > 201.90.162.172 > 202.125.176.2 > 203.200.81.104 > 203.250.137.132 > 203.93.0.3 > 203.95.104.21 > 210.40.128.31 > 210.77.146.53 > 211.155.224.202 > 217.27.62.73 > 218.242.158.100 > 218.25.25.206 > 218.62.227.3 > 220.128.149.198 > 220.130.139.220 > 221.186.163.218 > 221.4.205.132 > 221.6.179.212 > 58.222.11.2 > 58.253.67.58 > 58.83.8.13 > 59.185.104.218 > 60.12.107.159 > 60.191.43.29 > 61.108.210.11 > 61.136.145.5 > 61.184.101.46 > 61.185.81.222 > 61.9.140.67 > 62.75.176.135 > 62.77.89.244 > 64.27.31.185 > 66.165.168.55 > 69.72.173.170 > 70.52.251.254 > 71.156.184.134 > 72.52.198.116 > 72.55.133.104 > 74.53.247.18 > 74.63.192.11 > 74.63.36.250 > 75.37.250.107 > 78.38.176.100 > 79.98.88.2 > 88.255.101.209 > 88.255.116.130 > 92.243.6.96 > --- > phma > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090126/32c6701f/att= achment.htm From olegkio at gmail.com Mon Jan 26 12:42:49 2009 From: olegkio at gmail.com (Oleg Kio) Date: Sun Jan 25 22:11:10 2009 Subject: [Charlug] IP Ranges to block In-Reply-To: References: <3e125eafb8a9ac88bd172e34fba67b6e.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> <200901261231.41371.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <97fea2a30901260942s684cc1f9g6d40e46bf21eb961@mail.gmail.com> I remember reading about an app or a script that would dynamically modify iptables rules based on certain criteria. For example, if someone has X number of unsuccessful attempts to connect to FTP within a given timeframe it would add that IP to iptables drop list either temporarily or permanently. Has anyone used that? Does it work well? Oleg On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Todd Blake wrote: > It's be nice if something akin to the RBL's that are out there were > maintained. Something you could easily suck into an loop and run it thro= ugh > iptables or tcp wrappers or something. > > I'd start it up myself but in 6 months I'd lack the dedication to maintain > it..... > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Monday 26 January 2009 11:58:28 David Simmons wrote: >> > Guys, >> > >> > I'm experiencing alot of 'exposed to the internet' >> > relief on my servers by just adding: >> > >> > ALL: 60. >> > ALL: 219. >> > ALL: 119. >> > >> > to my /etc/hosts.deny file >> > >> > Any other IP ranges that I should add? >> >> Here's the list of all IP addresses that have tried to break in to my box >> in >> the past month. Anyone who fails at least ten times in a day to get in by >> ssh >> or ftp is dropped on the iptable. >> --- >> 116.38.163.170 >> 117.28.224.71 >> 121.32.129.70 >> 122.193.4.115 >> 124.254.63.124 >> 147.83.29.83 >> 189.56.49.147 >> 200.111.152.86 >> 200.150.15.11 >> 200.57.19.206 >> 201.47.187.138 >> 201.90.162.172 >> 202.125.176.2 >> 203.200.81.104 >> 203.250.137.132 >> 203.93.0.3 >> 203.95.104.21 >> 210.40.128.31 >> 210.77.146.53 >> 211.155.224.202 >> 217.27.62.73 >> 218.242.158.100 >> 218.25.25.206 >> 218.62.227.3 >> 220.128.149.198 >> 220.130.139.220 >> 221.186.163.218 >> 221.4.205.132 >> 221.6.179.212 >> 58.222.11.2 >> 58.253.67.58 >> 58.83.8.13 >> 59.185.104.218 >> 60.12.107.159 >> 60.191.43.29 >> 61.108.210.11 >> 61.136.145.5 >> 61.184.101.46 >> 61.185.81.222 >> 61.9.140.67 >> 62.75.176.135 >> 62.77.89.244 >> 64.27.31.185 >> 66.165.168.55 >> 69.72.173.170 >> 70.52.251.254 >> 71.156.184.134 >> 72.52.198.116 >> 72.55.133.104 >> 74.53.247.18 >> 74.63.192.11 >> 74.63.36.250 >> 75.37.250.107 >> 78.38.176.100 >> 79.98.88.2 >> 88.255.101.209 >> 88.255.116.130 >> 92.243.6.96 >> --- >> phma >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, if someone has X > number of unsuccessful attempts to connect to FTP within a given timeframe > it would add that IP to iptables drop list either temporarily or > permanently. > > Has anyone used that? Does it work well? had that implemented on one machine. Works pretty well. You should usually not block permanently cause it's a hacked machine that most likely is not used for hacking attempts afterwards. But everybody to his likings :) cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJfhN28C47DFW4ANMRAi4fAKCf6ichyCXDyL4IBAEbhH3KObL4eACfWAmf 4BN+GOi5FplX3v/ug7sY/JE= =Sgk0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From peter.senft at hpss.de Mon Jan 26 14:58:51 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Mon Jan 26 00:27:20 2009 Subject: [Charlug] NAS... In-Reply-To: References: <4979D5D7.5070509@hpss.de> Message-ID: <497E15FB.6040002@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi @all, all things considered I am back to my big box... there is not really an alternative that makes sense. Either too expensive, too slow, not enough memory, etc. Thanks for all your hints! cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJfhX78C47DFW4ANMRAlxOAJ40ha+p/h+/qEbYsNgXD9OaOiJUTACdHiPT dhJ8bFhcjAHFcrkuXPSh978= =nkMi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jason at rampaginggeek.com Mon Jan 26 20:50:46 2009 From: jason at rampaginggeek.com (Jason Edgecombe) Date: Mon Jan 26 06:19:04 2009 Subject: [Charlug] IP Ranges to block In-Reply-To: <97fea2a30901260942s684cc1f9g6d40e46bf21eb961@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e125eafb8a9ac88bd172e34fba67b6e.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> <200901261231.41371.phma@phma.optus.nu> <97fea2a30901260942s684cc1f9g6d40e46bf21eb961@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497E6876.6000407@rampaginggeek.com> Oleg Kio wrote: > I remember reading about an app or a script that would dynamically modify > iptables rules based on certain criteria. For example, if someone has X > number of unsuccessful attempts to connect to FTP within a given timeframe > it would add that IP to iptables drop list either temporarily or > permanently. > > Has anyone used that? Does it work well? > > Oleg > I use fail2ban ( http://www.fail2ban.org/ ) for ssh traffic. It works well. It blocks for 5 minutes, which is usually enough. Any fixed list will quickly go out of date. Unfortunately, the botnets have started to get around these defenses by only probing once per zombie machine. Jason From nkr1ptd at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 09:55:51 2009 From: nkr1ptd at gmail.com (nkr1ptd) Date: Mon Jan 26 19:24:51 2009 Subject: [Charlug] IP Ranges to block In-Reply-To: <497E6876.6000407@rampaginggeek.com> References: <3e125eafb8a9ac88bd172e34fba67b6e.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> <200901261231.41371.phma@phma.optus.nu> <97fea2a30901260942s684cc1f9g6d40e46bf21eb961@mail.gmail.com> <497E6876.6000407@rampaginggeek.com> Message-ID: As a full time security guy, I typically recommend to my clients using SANS as they are very well versed in analyzing all kinds of firewall/IDS/IPS data to trend the information. They can also help you out if you are getting hit from a particular IP address. They have a top 10 each day and many times I have seen it updated more often this may help: http://www.dshield.org/top10.html -brandon On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Jason Edgecombe w= rote: > Oleg Kio wrote: > >> I remember reading about an app or a script that would dynamically modify >> iptables rules based on certain criteria. For example, if someone has X >> number of unsuccessful attempts to connect to FTP within a given timefra= me >> it would add that IP to iptables drop list either temporarily or >> permanently. >> >> Has anyone used that? Does it work well? >> >> Oleg >> >> > I use fail2ban ( http://www.fail2ban.org/ ) for ssh traffic. It works > well. > > It blocks for 5 minutes, which is usually enough. Any fixed list will > quickly go out of date. > > Unfortunately, the botnets have started to get around these defenses by > only probing once per zombie machine. > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = ------------------------- People have a tendency to do the things they hate the most, but somehow the only time they never see it is when they are looking in the mirror. - Brandon L Newport -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090127/dda17978/att= achment.htm From phma at phma.optus.nu Tue Jan 27 12:12:16 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Mon Jan 26 21:40:30 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Is anyone wanting spamtraps? Message-ID: <200901271212.16506.phma@phma.optus.nu> I have a spamtrap that collects about 30 spams a day. I had it running a DSBL tester, but DSBL is dead now. Do you know any way I can put the spamtrap to good use? Pierre From bobevans19 at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 13:01:03 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Mon Jan 26 22:29:18 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Is anyone wanting spamtraps? In-Reply-To: <200901271212.16506.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200901271212.16506.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901271001l315c52bevfedf2ed4adf75f21@mail.gmail.com> Pierre Like they mentioned last week, I let Gmail.com do all the heavy lifting. Then I POP in & get what's left. Also, with web-based email, I can access it anywhere, with or without my computer(s)... -Bob What's Gnu at carolinux.com? Stay tuned... On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > I have a spamtrap that collects about 30 spams a day. I had it running a DSBL > tester, but DSBL is dead now. Do you know any way I can put the spamtrap to > good use? > > Pierre > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug -- I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living, It's a way of looking at life through the wrong end of a telescope. Which is what I do, And that enables you to laugh at life's realities. - Dr. Seuss From bobevans19 at gmail.com Tue Jan 27 17:52:34 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Tue Jan 27 03:20:47 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: Installfest In-Reply-To: <2F415E41-DB86-45C9-BFAE-320E33C2AC93@gmail.com> References: <2F415E41-DB86-45C9-BFAE-320E33C2AC93@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901271452h4d5dccdn924a41b16e7e1253@mail.gmail.com> I have iso's, blank media, coffee mug... We will be on the ground floor of the Levine I building at the Matthews(Levine) campus of CPCC... Independence Blvd & I485. It is an open "food court" looking place, so we can just commandeer an area & declare it the 'Linux Zone'... I'm sure things will fall into place at or around 10AM Saturday. -be On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Sean Hogston wrote: > Hey, > > when and where are we meeting for Saturday? I'm planning on bringiing a > 48port switch and some patch cords. Anything else? > > Sean > From phma at phma.optus.nu Tue Jan 27 23:37:29 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Tue Jan 27 09:05:40 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Is anyone wanting spamtraps? In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901271001l315c52bevfedf2ed4adf75f21@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901271212.16506.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901271001l315c52bevfedf2ed4adf75f21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901272337.29713.phma@phma.optus.nu> (Sent the reply privately by mistake. The message landed in my inbox, without a copy in the CharLUG folder.) On Tuesday 27 January 2009 13:01:03 you wrote: > Pierre > > Like they mentioned last week, I let Gmail.com do all the heavy > lifting. Then I POP in & get what's left. > > Also, with web-based email, I can access it anywhere, with or without > my computer(s)... That's not what I asked. I have been running a spamtrap for many years. The spam it gets and the spam I get are completely different. (I keep a copy of the last 32 spams it gets in case I need to debug something.) It is supposed to report all spam it gets to razor, but something appears to have happened to razor. It was testing for open relays, with the open relays ending up in DSBL, but DSBL is dead. Are there any blocklists that would accept submissions from my spamtrap? Pierre From boomfish at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 00:27:15 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis L. Clark) Date: Tue Jan 27 09:55:45 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: install fest In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901221936i79d93cf0ve2bffc61d9465852@mail.gmail.com> References: <40d58041d4fce07ff1f1ee84eca7c3fd@www.bigstring.com> <7c5cd1190901221936i79d93cf0ve2bffc61d9465852@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497FECB3.7040509@gmail.com> Bob Evans wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:30 PM, wrote: > >> Hi Bob, just discovered your linux group. I'm very new to linux and >> interested in finding out >> more about the install fest this Sat. How many users do you expect to show >> up and what >> distros will be installed? I haven't yet joined the group but I am >> interested. >> I'm also curious as to who we expect to attend this install fest. Persons interested in Linux who want help on getting started? Or Linux geeks who want to show off to each other and get into arguments on which distribution is the best? Seriously, is there a real need for install fests any more? There are plenty of live CD distributions these days where you can just burn a CD-R ISO, pop the disk in the drive, boot, and you're running Linux. Install fests made more sense a decade ago when live CD's weren't available and non-geeks needed help repartitioning their hard drives for dual-boot without losing their old OS. As for me, I may be able to use some help installing Gentoo on my Kurobox, and perhaps ?ngstr?m on my iPAQ (although I have installed Familiar on an iPAQ before), but I suspect I am in the minority in needing that kind of help... From bobevans19 at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 06:13:49 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Tue Jan 27 15:41:58 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: install fest In-Reply-To: <497FECB3.7040509@gmail.com> References: <40d58041d4fce07ff1f1ee84eca7c3fd@www.bigstring.com> <7c5cd1190901221936i79d93cf0ve2bffc61d9465852@mail.gmail.com> <497FECB3.7040509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901280313i589f0993nbb3d80153c26963@mail.gmail.com> Installfest might be the wrong term. Let's call it - Linux Day.... On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Dennis L. Clark wrote: > Bob Evans wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:30 PM, wrote: >> >>> Hi Bob, just discovered your linux group. I'm very new to linux and >>> interested in finding out >>> more about the install fest this Sat. How many users do you expect to show >>> up and what >>> distros will be installed? I haven't yet joined the group but I am >>> interested. >>> > I'm also curious as to who we expect to attend this install fest. > Persons interested in Linux who want help on getting started? Or Linux > geeks who want to show off to each other and get into arguments on which > distribution is the best? > > Seriously, is there a real need for install fests any more? There are > plenty of live CD distributions these days where you can just burn a > CD-R ISO, pop the disk in the drive, boot, and you're running Linux. > Install fests made more sense a decade ago when live CD's weren't > available and non-geeks needed help repartitioning their hard drives for > dual-boot without losing their old OS. > > As for me, I may be able to use some help installing Gentoo on my > Kurobox, and perhaps ?ngstr?m on my iPAQ (although I have installed > Familiar on an iPAQ before), but I suspect I am in the minority in > needing that kind of help... > > > -- I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells. Fantasy is a necessary ingredient in living, It's a way of looking at life through the wrong end of a telescope. Which is what I do, And that enables you to laugh at life's realities. - Dr. Seuss From bobevans19 at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 09:05:36 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:33:46 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: install fest In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901280313i589f0993nbb3d80153c26963@mail.gmail.com> References: <40d58041d4fce07ff1f1ee84eca7c3fd@www.bigstring.com> <7c5cd1190901221936i79d93cf0ve2bffc61d9465852@mail.gmail.com> <497FECB3.7040509@gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901280313i589f0993nbb3d80153c26963@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901280605s55bd1445t941bc512e9932504@mail.gmail.com> Let me attempt to clarify the event(s) for this weekend... Saturday morning is our regular monthly meeting for January, 2009. During this meeting, we will hold an "Install Fest", "Linux Fair", or whatever you decide to name it. We will help people understand how to use Linux... We MIGHT also have one of our guest speakers. Since the main CPCC campus location is unavailable due to construction, we decided to meet at the Levine campus for this January 31st meeting. Please try to attend. Monthly Meeting... CharLUG 10-2 Levine campus of CPCC Thanks, -be From bobevans19 at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 09:30:33 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:58:42 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Is anyone wanting spamtraps? In-Reply-To: <200901272337.29713.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200901271212.16506.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901271001l315c52bevfedf2ed4adf75f21@mail.gmail.com> <200901272337.29713.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901280630o48286b0br34edc4dbd794d89a@mail.gmail.com> > On Tuesday 27 January 2009 13:01:03 you wrote: >> Pierre >> >> Like they mentioned last week, I let Gmail.com do all the heavy >> lifting. Then I POP in & get what's left. >> >> Also, with web-based email, I can access it anywhere, with or without >> my computer(s)... > > That's not what I asked. I have been running a spamtrap for many years. The > spam it gets and the spam I get are completely different. (I keep a copy of > the last 32 spams it gets in case I need to debug something.) It is supposed > to report all spam it gets to razor, but something appears to have happened > to razor. It was testing for open relays, with the open relays ending up in > DSBL, but DSBL is dead. Are there any blocklists that would accept > submissions from my spamtrap? > Pierre I'm still confused. Are you saying that you determine what "spam" is, then you send it to some central repository somewhere? -be From peter.senft at hpss.de Wed Jan 28 10:10:01 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Tue Jan 27 19:38:16 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Is anyone wanting spamtraps? In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901280630o48286b0br34edc4dbd794d89a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901271212.16506.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901271001l315c52bevfedf2ed4adf75f21@mail.gmail.com> <200901272337.29713.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901280630o48286b0br34edc4dbd794d89a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49807549.5090607@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bob Bob Evans wrote: > I'm still confused. Are you saying that you determine what "spam" is, > then you send it to some central repository somewhere? yup, that's what he is doing :). This repository helps other people to identify spam faster. cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJgHVJ8C47DFW4ANMRAidzAKDRHswHj7wrB/d4jp2pK9Tk7REAlACcC/Ee wXEdUOBAGsgYlL+wRoqx3dU= =xmk9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bobevans19 at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 10:16:49 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Tue Jan 27 19:44:57 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Is anyone wanting spamtraps? In-Reply-To: <49807549.5090607@hpss.de> References: <200901271212.16506.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901271001l315c52bevfedf2ed4adf75f21@mail.gmail.com> <200901272337.29713.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901280630o48286b0br34edc4dbd794d89a@mail.gmail.com> <49807549.5090607@hpss.de> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901280716i181e9769g4040ef88a69ea8d4@mail.gmail.com> Oh. Okay... I thought that was what i pay Google & Yahoo to do...... -be From bobevans19 at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 10:22:33 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Tue Jan 27 19:50:40 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Is anyone wanting spamtraps? In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901280716i181e9769g4040ef88a69ea8d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901271212.16506.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901271001l315c52bevfedf2ed4adf75f21@mail.gmail.com> <200901272337.29713.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901280630o48286b0br34edc4dbd794d89a@mail.gmail.com> <49807549.5090607@hpss.de> <7c5cd1190901280716i181e9769g4040ef88a69ea8d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901280722n1a28d4adg49ea0929f59b6c73@mail.gmail.com> Back to your original post, Pierre. If you need someone to send this info to, send it to me. I can build one of these repositories, I guess. Then i'll forward the info to ?? somebody. From phma at phma.optus.nu Wed Jan 28 11:08:06 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Tue Jan 27 20:36:19 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Is anyone wanting spamtraps? In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901280630o48286b0br34edc4dbd794d89a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901271212.16506.phma@phma.optus.nu> <200901272337.29713.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901280630o48286b0br34edc4dbd794d89a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901281108.07313.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Wednesday 28 January 2009 09:30:33 Bob Evans wrote: > I'm still confused. Are you saying that you determine what "spam" is, > then you send it to some central repository somewhere? No. I have an address on my box that receives nothing but spam. The address is one I created for the purpose and stuck in a link on a website somewhere in a way that humans' attention is not drawn to it. Aliases to the address are nonexistent addresses I've seen used in spamming attempts. Some are names of email programs; others are spliced names (e.g. I've seen mail sent to an address "pert" on another system; "pert" is the last four letters of someone's name, probably a result of a spammer running a list of names through a buggy sorting program). Pierre From bobevans19 at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 13:16:38 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Tue Jan 27 22:44:44 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Must be a slow "news" day at ZDNet.Com... Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901281016g2375ab97n46f1c72f227b7041@mail.gmail.com> I would hesitate to call it "news" when "Torvalds abandons KDE for Gnome..." Is he going to kiss & tell about that wild weekend with XFCE? And how does FluxBox feel about all this? Cr@p. Wish I had a nickel for every time I've switched my freakin' desktop! I hesitate to provide this link, but here goes... http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-264218.html Stay tuned tomorrow. ERS is going to type in "vi" when he should have typed "emacs". Ooooh. The drama... -be From llslim at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 14:00:37 2009 From: llslim at gmail.com (Kevin Williams) Date: Tue Jan 27 23:28:44 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Must be a slow "news" day at ZDNet.Com... In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901281016g2375ab97n46f1c72f227b7041@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190901281016g2375ab97n46f1c72f227b7041@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e765c6e0901281100k62704da0mb44a2a76d567bebd@mail.gmail.com> This only news because how bad he bashed GNOME in favor of KDE, but in 6 to 8 months time. they'll write "Parting of a Love Affair" as he redoes his system. Proof that programmers even those in open source can be a fickle end-user like the rest of the world. regards, -Kevin. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Bob Evans wrote: > I would hesitate to call it "news" when "Torvalds abandons KDE for Gnome..." > > Is he going to kiss & tell about that wild weekend with XFCE? > > And how does FluxBox feel about all this? > > Cr@p. > > > Wish I had a nickel for every time I've switched my freakin' desktop! > > I hesitate to provide this link, but here goes... > > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-264218.html > > > > Stay tuned tomorrow. ERS is going to type in "vi" when he should have > typed "emacs". > > Ooooh. The drama... > > -be > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- Shem Hotep ("I go in peace") -Kevin D. Williams "Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. -- April 4, 1967 From derek.newland at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 19:51:31 2009 From: derek.newland at gmail.com (Derek Newland) Date: Wed Jan 28 05:19:36 2009 Subject: [Charlug] nVidia Dual Display Issues Message-ID: <9c274a050901281651v163f581av34a8d7d4b5b4521f@mail.gmail.com> So I just finished installing and updated Ubuntu 8.10 on a PC set aside as a media center box. It has an nVidia GeForce 8400 GS graphics adapter for the display output. I currently have the computer hooked up to an LCD and TV via s-video. I installed the nVidia driver through the Ubuntu restricted drivers dialog. I proceded to configure TwinView to enable video output on the TV. I do not plan to have the LCD hooked to this machine after I get things set up properly. I currently have two issues with the configuration: 1. If I reboot without the LCD plugged in there is no s-video output upon l= ogin. When I turn on the PC I can see the BIOS screen and I can even see the Ubuntu startup progress bar. But then the picture dissapears. 2. The picture on the TV is slightly too large. A portion around the screen is cut off all along the edges. Therefor I am unable to see any of the panels at the top or bottom of the screen. Lowering resolution does not make any difference. Any ideas? Xorg.conf attached! -- = Thanks, Derek Newland derek.newland@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: xorg.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2592 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090128/90194e5b/xo= rg-0001.obj From boomfish at gmail.com Wed Jan 28 23:48:30 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis L. Clark) Date: Wed Jan 28 09:16:34 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: install fest In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901280605s55bd1445t941bc512e9932504@mail.gmail.com> References: <40d58041d4fce07ff1f1ee84eca7c3fd@www.bigstring.com> <7c5cd1190901221936i79d93cf0ve2bffc61d9465852@mail.gmail.com> <497FECB3.7040509@gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901280313i589f0993nbb3d80153c26963@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901280605s55bd1445t941bc512e9932504@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4981351E.2050503@gmail.com> Bob Evans wrote: > Let me attempt to clarify the event(s) for this weekend... > > Saturday morning is our regular monthly meeting for January, 2009. > > During this meeting, we will hold an "Install Fest", "Linux Fair", or > whatever you decide to name it. We will help people understand how to > use Linux... > Thanks for the clarification. I presume we will have demonstration PCs with Linux already installed? If so, I think it would be great if we have at least one Linux PC with VirtualBox running Windows XP as a guest OS. I think this is a good time to show existing Windows XP users that they have alternatives to Microsoft's upgrade path for their PCs. Windows XP is over 7 years old now, Vista has been a bust for many users, and we can look forward to serious bugs (erm, I mean "issues") in Windows 7 for 12-18 months after its release some time this year. Switching to Linux and virtualizing an existing XP license allows a Windows user to migrate to a modern OS while retaining the use of legacy Windows application software when needed. Just a thought... Cheers, -- Dennis From dave at dgnal.net Thu Jan 29 02:58:14 2009 From: dave at dgnal.net (David Simmons) Date: Wed Jan 28 12:26:31 2009 Subject: [Charlug] IP Ranges to block In-Reply-To: <3e125eafb8a9ac88bd172e34fba67b6e.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> References: <3e125eafb8a9ac88bd172e34fba67b6e.squirrel@mail.dgnal.net> Message-ID: > Any other IP ranges that I should add? To answer my own question....you might check out: http://www.apnic.net/db/ranges.html -dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090129/5085166e/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 03:39:46 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Wed Jan 28 13:07:50 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: install fest In-Reply-To: <4981351E.2050503@gmail.com> References: <40d58041d4fce07ff1f1ee84eca7c3fd@www.bigstring.com> <7c5cd1190901221936i79d93cf0ve2bffc61d9465852@mail.gmail.com> <497FECB3.7040509@gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901280313i589f0993nbb3d80153c26963@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901280605s55bd1445t941bc512e9932504@mail.gmail.com> <4981351E.2050503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901290039q4f75b4d6q5fc1dabaa65a2760@mail.gmail.com> I agree. I have a Cendio demo I could do: Super thin client access to th Cendio server. Menu option : Admin user Regular user Windows user On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Dennis L. Clark wrote: > Bob Evans wrote: >> Let me attempt to clarify the event(s) for this weekend... >> >> Saturday morning is our regular monthly meeting for January, 2009. >> >> During this meeting, we will hold an "Install Fest", "Linux Fair", or >> whatever you decide to name it. We will help people understand how to >> use Linux... >> > Thanks for the clarification. > > I presume we will have demonstration PCs with Linux already installed? > If so, I think it would be great if we have at least one Linux PC with > VirtualBox running Windows XP as a guest OS. > > I think this is a good time to show existing Windows XP users that they > have alternatives to Microsoft's upgrade path for their PCs. Windows XP > is over 7 years old now, Vista has been a bust for many users, and we > can look forward to serious bugs (erm, I mean "issues") in Windows 7 for > 12-18 months after its release some time this year. Switching to Linux > and virtualizing an existing XP license allows a Windows user to migrate > to a modern OS while retaining the use of legacy Windows application > software when needed. > > Just a thought... > > Cheers, > -- Dennis > From nkr1ptd at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 12:08:45 2009 From: nkr1ptd at gmail.com (nkr1ptd) Date: Wed Jan 28 21:36:48 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: install fest In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901290039q4f75b4d6q5fc1dabaa65a2760@mail.gmail.com> References: <40d58041d4fce07ff1f1ee84eca7c3fd@www.bigstring.com> <7c5cd1190901221936i79d93cf0ve2bffc61d9465852@mail.gmail.com> <497FECB3.7040509@gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901280313i589f0993nbb3d80153c26963@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901280605s55bd1445t941bc512e9932504@mail.gmail.com> <4981351E.2050503@gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901290039q4f75b4d6q5fc1dabaa65a2760@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I would use something like ubuntu. Something that is not too techie. Otherwise you may turn people away. You can run some videos show compriz if want to show some cool things linux can do. On 1/29/09, Bob Evans wrote: > I agree. I have a Cendio demo I could do: > > Super thin client access to th Cendio server. > Menu option : > Admin user > Regular user > Windows user > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Dennis L. Clark wrote: >> Bob Evans wrote: >>> Let me attempt to clarify the event(s) for this weekend... >>> >>> Saturday morning is our regular monthly meeting for January, 2009. >>> >>> During this meeting, we will hold an "Install Fest", "Linux Fair", or >>> whatever you decide to name it. We will help people understand how to >>> use Linux... >>> >> Thanks for the clarification. >> >> I presume we will have demonstration PCs with Linux already installed? >> If so, I think it would be great if we have at least one Linux PC with >> VirtualBox running Windows XP as a guest OS. >> >> I think this is a good time to show existing Windows XP users that they >> have alternatives to Microsoft's upgrade path for their PCs. Windows XP >> is over 7 years old now, Vista has been a bust for many users, and we >> can look forward to serious bugs (erm, I mean "issues") in Windows 7 for >> 12-18 months after its release some time this year. Switching to Linux >> and virtualizing an existing XP license allows a Windows user to migrate >> to a modern OS while retaining the use of legacy Windows application >> software when needed. >> >> Just a thought... >> >> Cheers, >> -- Dennis >> > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- Sent from my mobile device ------------------------- People have a tendency to do the things they hate the most, but somehow the only time they never see it is when they are looking in the mirror. - Brandon L Newport From parrisdc at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 17:59:04 2009 From: parrisdc at gmail.com (Don Parris) Date: Thu Jan 29 03:27:05 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Image Clarity Differences Between GNU & Win Systems? Message-ID: <1eba300b0901291459w49a8e245w9e3999082aee9107@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I recently installed Debian Etch for a lady (See the Blue GNU blog post) and did not have her monitor when I installed it. I only had a 15" CRT to use for installation, so can't expect much with respect to image quality. At any rate, I wanted to follow up with her about her new system, and she said her only gripe was that images don't seem as sharp. I'm not sure I would notice unless there was a really serious discrepency between the images on one system and those on the other. Unfortunately, I can really only go by her word - I blew away Windows to install Debian. Has anyone else noticed any issues along these lines? Were you able to resolve the issue(s)? I'm guessing she might need to adjust her monitor a bit, but I don't know beyond that what might cause a difference. I figured I'd ask my local LUG among other efforts. I just don't have an eye for these things. Thanks, Don -- = D.C. Parris Minister, Journalist, Free Software Advocate https://www.xing.com/profile/Don_Parris http://www.linkedin.com/in/dcparris sip:dcparris@ekiga.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090129/cf4b0acd/att= achment.htm From peter.senft at hpss.de Thu Jan 29 18:09:54 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Thu Jan 29 03:37:59 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Image Clarity Differences Between GNU & Win Systems? In-Reply-To: <1eba300b0901291459w49a8e245w9e3999082aee9107@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eba300b0901291459w49a8e245w9e3999082aee9107@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49823742.4050902@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Don, Don Parris wrote: > I recently installed Debian Etch for a lady (See the Blue GNU blog post) and > did not have her monitor when I installed it. I only had a 15" CRT to use > for installation, so can't expect much with respect to image quality. At > any rate, I wanted to follow up with her about her new system, and she said > her only gripe was that images don't seem as sharp. Just some thoughts.... antialiasing? sub pixel rendering? Some weird fonts installed? cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJgjdC8C47DFW4ANMRAqMcAKCbWSVzxs6EXB45MGcX1acFxM9bswCfYOE6 FofRh4BDv+zcwv9Xu3rqQ0Q= =jI9s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cmpilato at red-bean.com Thu Jan 29 20:16:31 2009 From: cmpilato at red-bean.com (C. Michael Pilato) Date: Thu Jan 29 05:44:38 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Image Clarity Differences Between GNU & Win Systems? In-Reply-To: <1eba300b0901291459w49a8e245w9e3999082aee9107@mail.gmail.com> References: <1eba300b0901291459w49a8e245w9e3999082aee9107@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498254EF.6020603@red-bean.com> Don Parris wrote: > Hi all, > > I recently installed Debian Etch for a lady (See the Blue GNU blog post) > and did not have her monitor when I installed it. I only had a 15" CRT > to use for installation, so can't expect much with respect to image > quality. At any rate, I wanted to follow up with her about her new > system, and she said her only gripe was that images don't seem as > sharp. I'm not sure I would notice unless there was a really serious > discrepency between the images on one system and those on the other. > Unfortunately, I can really only go by her word - I blew away Windows to > install Debian. > > Has anyone else noticed any issues along these lines? Were you able to > resolve the issue(s)? I'm guessing she might need to adjust her monitor > a bit, but I don't know beyond that what might cause a difference. I > figured I'd ask my local LUG among other efforts. > > I just don't have an eye for these things. Does this lady have a CRT monitor, or an LCD? LCDs, which claim support for multiple screen resolutions, really have exactly one actual hardware resolution for which they were designed. And that's the only resolution that *doesn't* look like total trash. So, if her system is coming up with a default resolution of, say, 1024x768 (perhaps because that's what worked best on your 15" monitor) but she has an LCD monitor with a hardware resolution of 1280x1024, there's gonna be all kinds of nasty software tricks employed to fake that resolution difference. And in my experience, those tricks have severe limits to their effectiveness. -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ From phma at phma.optus.nu Fri Jan 30 01:15:30 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Thu Jan 29 10:43:33 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu Message-ID: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> I'm running feisty, which has expired, and I'm trying to upgrade to gutsy. (I'm usually too busy to risk having the computer down for a couple of days because of upgrade problems.) I put old-releases in /etc/apt/sources.list, so I can still get feisty packages. The problem appears to be that, if I have "us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty" enabled, the upgrade manager complains because it can't get a package list from there, but if I disable it, it can't find the gutsy packages because they're in "us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy". How can I fix it so that the upgrade works? Is it okay to run the upgrade manager in Konsole? Or should I log out before I start and run it in text mode? Is there a way to download all the packages, but not install them, and then install them later? Do I have to dump all my Postgres databases? Pierre From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 04:33:33 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Thu Jan 29 14:01:31 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901300133n7e9ac8a6w45a76fbe3a6cd42b@mail.gmail.com> Pierre Here's how I did it: 1) back up your data. 2) Bring current release of software up to date. 3) Upgrade to new release. For details please read http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading regarding your questions: back up postgres... see #1 above console vs gui... does not matter. either one works. see details in above mentioned URL. I wouldn't put fiesty into your sources list unless absolutely necessary. and even then, I'd do that after the upgrade. again, read the sited URL... can you download all the packages, and install them later? of course. see any debian doc to verify. I would start with http://www.debian.org after all, ubuntu is a debian distribution. standard apt-get / dpkg rules still apply the only difference between ubuntu & debian is the source of the packages. there are only 4 linux distributions. oh, cr@p. did i just start a 'distro' war? my bad. good luck. if you need help, stop by Levine campus / CPCC tomorrow. (10-2) -be From leam at reuel.net Fri Jan 30 06:47:09 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Thu Jan 29 16:15:16 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901300133n7e9ac8a6w45a76fbe3a6cd42b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901300133n7e9ac8a6w45a76fbe3a6cd42b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4982E8BD.1000102@reuel.net> Bob's pretty much got it. Let me add a couple caveats from the enterprise side. First, if you haven't tested your ability to back-up and restore your database, you don't have a backup. Make this and application restoration a learning opportunity! Second, and this comes from other Ubuntu/Debian users I know, their upgrades tend to run fairly well. I'd have no emotional issues upgrading fully, long as I followed Bob's notes. Lastly, I always upgrade/patch from init 3, logged in directly as root. Too many X/Gnome/KDE things active if you log in as a user under X. Most of the time I'll unmount /boot and /home and give them a forced double fsck as well. Leam Bob Evans wrote: > Pierre > > Here's how I did it: > > 1) back up your data. > > 2) Bring current release of software up to date. > > 3) Upgrade to new release. > > For details please read > > http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading > > > regarding your questions: > > back up postgres... see #1 above > > console vs gui... does not matter. either one works. see details > in above mentioned URL. > > I wouldn't put fiesty into your sources list unless absolutely > necessary. and even then, I'd do that after the upgrade. again, read > the sited URL... > > can you download all the packages, and install them later? of > course. see any debian doc to verify. I would start with > http://www.debian.org > > after all, ubuntu is a debian distribution. standard apt-get / dpkg > rules still apply > > the only difference between ubuntu & debian is the source of the packages. > > there are only 4 linux distributions. > > > oh, cr@p. did i just start a 'distro' war? > > my bad. > > good luck. if you need help, stop by Levine campus / CPCC tomorrow. (10-2) > > -be > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > From peter.senft at hpss.de Fri Jan 30 10:54:24 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Thu Jan 29 20:22:31 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <498322B0.7090703@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Pierre, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I'm running feisty, which has expired, and I'm trying to upgrade to gutsy. > (I'm usually too busy to risk having the computer down for a couple of days > because of upgrade problems.) I put old-releases in /etc/apt/sources.list, so > I can still get feisty packages. The problem appears to be that, if I > have "us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty" enabled, the upgrade manager complains > because it can't get a package list from there, but if I disable it, it can't > find the gutsy packages because they're in "us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy". How > can I fix it so that the upgrade works? > Is it okay to run the upgrade manager in Konsole? Or should I log out before I > start and run it in text mode? Is there a way to download all the packages, > but not install them, and then install them later? Do I have to dump all my > Postgres databases? as a long time Debian user some hints: I would always upgrade in the text console without X running. You will simply see too many issues with your running X while the updater is replacing all the libs. I don't remember the link, but Ubuntu has a description on how to upgrade from one version to the other. Read it and follow it :). Usually that means you should update certain packages *before* you do the dist-upgrade. I usually upgrade apt manually. That already helps resolving a lot of issues. Sometimes you run into issues with signatures of repositories due to missing keys in the keyring. Simply add them to the keyring. Just be prepared for that issue :). The kernel update might be painful when you have customized anything. Make sure you do not remove the old kernel or make a backup :). The Postgres database I would definitively dump and also make backups of additional configuration files. apt creates backups but you never know what might go wrong ;). HTH cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJgyKw8C47DFW4ANMRAjcJAKCIMqQTAjArhotbjkN0F/Ah1tFP5QCfQjX8 uWSFGB3UtDx+wZAga7mrTkc= =DR4C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From peter.senft at hpss.de Fri Jan 30 11:08:34 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Thu Jan 29 20:36:37 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <498322B0.7090703@hpss.de> References: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> <498322B0.7090703@hpss.de> Message-ID: <49832602.7050100@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Pierre, forgot one point :). Make sure you know what you want to upgrade. That means do you want to do an upgrade or a dist-upgrade. I think you want to do a dist-upgrade, but that will remove certain packages without asking that are considered obsolete! So, if you miss anything after the upgrade you might have to reinstall it from the old repository. cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJgyYC8C47DFW4ANMRAr07AJ4mqdcpS/IVR6OW/YMNUjmXyjwtNQCgkO9V 4VoyjBuNfi121ogcLF41FSs= =QKpP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From phma at phma.optus.nu Fri Jan 30 11:29:04 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Thu Jan 29 20:57:05 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901300133n7e9ac8a6w45a76fbe3a6cd42b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901300133n7e9ac8a6w45a76fbe3a6cd42b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901301129.05532.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Friday 30 January 2009 04:33:33 Bob Evans wrote: > I wouldn't put fiesty into your sources list unless absolutely > necessary. and even then, I'd do that after the upgrade. again, read > the sited URL... I'm going to try commenting out the "us.archive feisty" lines and putting "us.archive gutsy" lines at the end. If I need a feisty package before the upgrade, it'll fetch it from the first repository that has it, right? > can you download all the packages, and install them later? of > course. see any debian doc to verify. I would start with > http://www.debian.org The reason I ask is that I'm not familiar with the upgrade manager. The last time I upgraded, I think, I edited sources.list manually and ran "apt-get dist-upgrade". What I'd like to do is start the upgrade, download all the packages (during which I can still use the computer for normal tasks), log out of X (if I run the upgrade in a text console), and wait for it to finish installing. > good luck. if you need help, stop by Levine campus / CPCC tomorrow. (10-2) I'll be at church, and I'd rather not start the upgrade on a Friday lest I have a messed-up computer when the sun sets. On Friday 30 January 2009 06:47:09 Leam Hall wrote: > Bob's pretty much got it. Let me add a couple caveats from the > enterprise side. First, if you haven't tested your ability to back-up > and restore your database, you don't have a backup. Make this and > application restoration a learning opportunity! Main thing I'm concerned about with Postgres is that it changes its file format every so often. Pierre From peter.senft at hpss.de Fri Jan 30 12:31:56 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Thu Jan 29 21:59:57 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200901301129.05532.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901300133n7e9ac8a6w45a76fbe3a6cd42b@mail.gmail.com> <200901301129.05532.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <4983398C.9080908@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Pierre, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 30 January 2009 04:33:33 Bob Evans wrote: > I'm going to try commenting out the "us.archive feisty" lines and > putting "us.archive gutsy" lines at the end. If I need a feisty package > before the upgrade, it'll fetch it from the first repository that has it, > right? Yes... and no. It fetches it from the first source that has the package that is fitting your request. If you are not specifying which version it should be it is fetching the latest version. This is usually the one from gutsy! And with what you described you simply remove all feisty sources and only use gutsy sources. Of course if and only if you run an update on the repository before installing anything. > The reason I ask is that I'm not familiar with the upgrade manager. The last > time I upgraded, I think, I edited sources.list manually and ran "apt-get > dist-upgrade". What I'd like to do is start the upgrade, download all the > packages (during which I can still use the computer for normal tasks), log > out of X (if I run the upgrade in a text console), and wait for it to finish > installing. apt-get dist-upgrade -d This line will only download what is needed for the upgrade. BTW, you should be able to resolve conflicts :). I am not sure how that system grew over time. But I can tell you that the upgrade from my potato/woody mixture to lenny was painful ;). Good luck cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJgzmM8C47DFW4ANMRAqV2AJ0Xw4Ts4DlwgOTA6Sd3US2ITcaXmQCggRVy OlwBWUFM03+xUKHk/uSrpVs= =VLFT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From boomfish at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 13:16:09 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Thu Jan 29 22:44:06 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <200901301129.05532.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901300133n7e9ac8a6w45a76fbe3a6cd42b@mail.gmail.com> <200901301129.05532.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 30 January 2009 04:33:33 Bob Evans wrote: > > I wouldn't put fiesty into your sources list unless absolutely > > necessary. and even then, I'd do that after the upgrade. again, read > > the sited URL... > > I'm going to try commenting out the "us.archive feisty" lines and > putting "us.archive gutsy" lines at the end. If I need a feisty package > before the upgrade, it'll fetch it from the first repository that has it, > right? It does not make sense to install new packages from an old release immediately before upgrading to a newer release. After you bring all your currently installed packages to their final versions in feisty, there is no need to use the feisty repository any more. The gutsy repository will contain any packages you might need for an upgrade. The order of repositories in sources.list has no effect of installation priority. If you have multiple repositories listed in sources.list, the default priority is to install the latest version of a package regardless of which repository has it. This behavior is dangerous if you try to mix repositories from different releases, and such mixing is unnecessary for regular upgrades. > Main thing I'm concerned about with Postgres is that it changes its file > format every so often. Package upgrade scripts ought to detect if you are upgrading from a version that uses an older file format and offer to convert the files for you. While have never performed a Postgres upgrade, I'd be extremely surprised if the Postgres package upgrade scripts in Ubuntu did not have this functionality. Cheers, -- Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090130/13364789/att= achment.htm From peter.senft at hpss.de Fri Jan 30 13:38:38 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Thu Jan 29 23:06:39 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901300133n7e9ac8a6w45a76fbe3a6cd42b@mail.gmail.com> <200901301129.05532.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <4983492E.9090505@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Dennis Clark wrote: > It does not make sense to install new packages from an old release > immediately before upgrading to a newer release. well, maybe not for the common usage. But there are cases where it may make sense. > After you bring all your currently installed packages to their final > versions in feisty, there is no need to use the feisty repository any more. I disagree! Sometimes you need a library in an old version and then you can access and install it from the old repository. Had to do it for a long time to get an old qt library for a strange backup application we were using. But I agree, that that might be dangerous. You need to know exactly what you do there and how to protect this package from being updated and the remaining packages from being downgraded. > Package upgrade scripts ought to detect if you are upgrading from a version > that uses an older file format and offer to convert the files for you. While > have never performed a Postgres upgrade, I'd be extremely surprised if the > Postgres package upgrade scripts in Ubuntu did not have this functionality. Yes, Debian and therefor Ubuntu have this ability, but still that is no guarantee that it works. With some updates you need to tweak something manually but the installer usually gives you a message. In general I would recommend a backup before upgrading/updating. BTW try to take a look at aptitude. I know, it has no super cow powers ;), but aptitude is most of the times more successful (maybe more creative :) ) in resolving the conflicts that usually happen during a dist-upgrade. I am not saying apt-get is bad, it's just my experience with both tools that aptitude is better for dist-upgrades. cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJg0ku8C47DFW4ANMRArOLAJ4nRDe8uBPPclMkoPLl3xhXfrzwKACfT+22 4F2AekbKddCercWHxIfqyFo= =CtvI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From boomfish at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 13:52:47 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Thu Jan 29 23:20:44 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4983398C.9080908@hpss.de> References: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901300133n7e9ac8a6w45a76fbe3a6cd42b@mail.gmail.com> <200901301129.05532.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4983398C.9080908@hpss.de> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Peter Senft wrote: > > apt-get dist-upgrade -d > This line will only download what is needed for the upgrade. BTW, you > should be able to resolve conflicts :). I am not sure how that system > grew over time. But I can tell you that the upgrade from my potato/woody > mixture to lenny was painful ;). In general, Debian-based distributions only officially support upgrades to the release that immediately follows the currently installed one. This means that to get from woody to lenny you were supposed to go through sarge and etch. Was that part of your upgrade, or were you able to bypass them completely? If you attempted the latter, you must be a real masochist ... and if you succeeded, you must be really good :-) Ubuntu offers an alternative to release-by-release upgrades with its Long Term Support (LTS) releases. Users who do not like the idea of upgrading every 6 months can instead install a LTS release. Ubuntu supports upgrading from one LTS release to the next, and the last two LTS releases were about 2 years apart. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases The downside to LTS is that software versions can get a bit outdated over 2 years. If you like the slower release cycle of LTS but there is specific software that you need to be more up-to-date, you can combine an LTS release with its corresponding backports repository: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports With these choices, most users should be able to find their preferred balance for keeping up with new software versions. However, if you value being at the "bleeding edge" over stability or security, you can choose to ride the wave of the Debian unstable repository. But beware: it is no coincidence that Debian unstable is named after the kid in Toy Story who loved to blow up toys ... BOOM! Cheers, -- Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090130/30b86a73/att= achment.htm From peter.senft at hpss.de Fri Jan 30 16:58:26 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Fri Jan 30 02:26:31 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901300133n7e9ac8a6w45a76fbe3a6cd42b@mail.gmail.com> <200901301129.05532.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4983398C.9080908@hpss.de> Message-ID: <49837802.5030908@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dennis, Dennis Clark wrote: > In general, Debian-based distributions only officially support upgrades to > the release that immediately follows the currently installed one. This means > that to get from woody to lenny you were supposed to go through sarge and > etch. Was that part of your upgrade, or were you able to bypass them > completely? If you attempted the latter, you must be a real masochist ... > and if you succeeded, you must be really good :-) I would not call me really good. But I finished successfully... And I agree... that is only for masochistic people... or people that have too much time :). I simply started off with my dist-upgrade without realizing that I forgot that I copied over a sources.list from a lenny without changing it from stable to sarge... so ended up a longer time resolving conflicts and cleaning up the system. The biggest issue was btw getting my cyrus (1.x to 2.x upgrade... brrr...) back to work. cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJg3gC8C47DFW4ANMRAj5bAJ93bjb9y5p7K4ad47LGVc0JjJCJRgCfXs6o KEZG3JoABvqOWd/yK/tsjmE= =QsnL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From peter.senft at hpss.de Fri Jan 30 16:59:19 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Fri Jan 30 02:27:18 2009 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu] Message-ID: <49837837.5000906@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I think Dennis send this one only to me and not to the mailing list... - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:24:27 -0500 From: Dennis Clark To: Peter Senft References: <200901300115.31154.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7c5cd1190901300133n7e9ac8a6w45a76fbe3a6cd42b@mail.gmail.com> <200901301129.05532.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4983492E.9090505@hpss.de> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Peter Senft wrote: > > Dennis Clark wrote: > > It does not make sense to install new packages from an old release > > immediately before upgrading to a newer release. > > well, maybe not for the common usage. But there are cases where it may > make sense. > > > After you bring all your currently installed packages to their final > > versions in feisty, there is no need to use the feisty repository any > more. > > I disagree! Sometimes you need a library in an old version and then you > can access and install it from the old repository. Had to do it for a > long time to get an old qt library for a strange backup application we > were using. But I agree, that that might be dangerous. You need to know > exactly what you do there and how to protect this package from being > updated and the remaining packages from being downgraded. Y'know Peter, I suspect you're not a typical Debian user :-) I know that mixing repositories is possible through pinning, but I assumed that Pierre's install did not have to deal with supporting legacy software that was not an official part of his chosen distribution so I did not bring it up. Pierre, if my assumption is wrong and you really do need to mix repositories, I suggest you contact Peter directly for some expert help :-) > > Package upgrade scripts ought to detect if you are upgrading from a > version > > that uses an older file format and offer to convert the files for you. > While > > have never performed a Postgres upgrade, I'd be extremely surprised if > the > > Postgres package upgrade scripts in Ubuntu did not have this > functionality. > > Yes, Debian and therefor Ubuntu have this ability, but still that is no > guarantee that it works. With some updates you need to tweak something > manually but the installer usually gives you a message. In general I > would recommend a backup before upgrading/updating. Certainly, a sophisticated upgrade process is not a substitute for prudence, especially when it comes to databases. Even Debian package maintainers can let bugs slip into their scripts ;) > > BTW try to take a look at aptitude. I know, it has no super cow powers > ;), but aptitude is most of the times more successful (maybe more > creative :) ) in resolving the conflicts that usually happen during a > dist-upgrade. I am not saying apt-get is bad, it's just my experience > with both tools that aptitude is better for dist-upgrades. I agree. The problem with dist-upgrades is that conflicts are more likely than a regular upgrade: some packages from the previous repository may have been phased out in favor of other packages in the newer repository. For some such packages there may be more than one upgrade path. Although it is not perfect, aptitude does a much better job over apt-get in evaluating the different upgrade paths, defaulting to the "best" path, and giving you a way to choose an alternate upgrade path. Cheers, - -- Dennis - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJg3g38C47DFW4ANMRAiwLAJ4jSee2pS1+cPwGjRZUc+RP/UblYQCdEajp qtZ+RFqakbdn6V1sd+YaVtw= =eedm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From phma at phma.optus.nu Fri Jan 30 18:20:00 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Fri Jan 30 03:47:59 2009 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <49837837.5000906@hpss.de> References: <49837837.5000906@hpss.de> Message-ID: <200901301820.01370.phma@phma.optus.nu> > Pierre, if my assumption is wrong and you really do need to mix > repositories, I suggest you contact Peter directly for some expert help :-) I don't. I'm just trying to figure out what happens if I install a package with sources.list set like this. I might will (might would? may would?) need backports, though. > I agree. The problem with dist-upgrades is that conflicts are more likely > than a regular upgrade: some packages from the previous repository may have > been phased out in favor of other packages in the newer repository. For > some such packages there may be more than one upgrade path. Although it is > not perfect, aptitude does a much better job over apt-get in evaluating the > different upgrade paths, defaulting to the "best" path, and giving you a > way to choose an alternate upgrade path. I'm not very familiar with aptitude; most of my package management I do with adept, and if it crashes I use apt-get. How would I upgrade with aptitude? And what exactly is do-release-upgrade doing? By the way, could you use "reply to list" instead of "reply to all"? For some reason, if charlug is in CC: instead of To:, I don't get a copy through the list. Pierre From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 20:07:17 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Jan 30 05:35:11 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Saturday "Open Source Tech Fair" - CPCC - 10 - 2 ; ; ; 01/31/09 Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901301707n334379d2i2f38aac155706db2@mail.gmail.com> Hope to see everyone Saturday. Thanks, -be From peter.senft at hpss.de Fri Jan 30 22:24:38 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Fri Jan 30 07:52:46 2009 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <200901301820.01370.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <49837837.5000906@hpss.de> <200901301820.01370.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <4983C476.6090000@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Pierre, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I'm not very familiar with aptitude; most of my package management I do with > adept, and if it crashes I use apt-get. How would I upgrade with aptitude? aptitude is usable as a command line utility like apt-get or with a curses interface when you start it without any parameters. It has about the same parameters as apt-cache and apt-get. So a simple aptitude update would update the repository and an aptitude dist-upgrade would dot the distribution upgrade. In terms of stability I would recommend to use apt-get or aptitude. adept sucks and is way too unstable. > And what exactly is do-release-upgrade doing? That's IMHO just a wrapper for the real update tool (apt) and part of the update-manager-core. AFAIK this thing is performing a dist-upgrade with a certain set of parameters. It can use python-apt or apt-get to do it. > By the way, could you use "reply to list" instead of "reply to all"? For some > reason, if charlug is in CC: instead of To:, I don't get a copy through the > list. Hmm... was that for me or Dennis? And... that's more for the list admin. Why is he not getting the mails, when we cc the list? I always do a reply to all and it seems that some people got my mails. cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJg8R28C47DFW4ANMRAgurAKCONofoQ0AivUwurEGCYzV9Z6e3HgCfWp01 wr3b3oz0alvdmkFD/wAQhto= =Keva -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 23:58:45 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Jan 30 09:26:40 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Saturday "Open Source Tech Fair" - CPCC - 10 - 2 ; ; ; 01/31/09 In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901302058g41436ac9ja1441980bc88ac1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190901301707n334379d2i2f38aac155706db2@mail.gmail.com> <4983C012.8010707@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190901302058g41436ac9ja1441980bc88ac1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901302058o5fc13099jc49cefc906f4e39c@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/30 Bob Evans : > Sorry > > > Central Piedmont Community? > 2800 Campus Ridge Rd > Matthews, NC 28105 > (704) 330-4200 > > > CATS riders: > > Call me for connecting ride. > > 704 989 6498 > > Route 27 > > Downtown - to - Matthews > > > > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Leam Hall wrote: >> Did I miss the map? Not sure, is the Levine campus the one near Stallings? >> How big is it? >> >> Leam the often lost... >> >> Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>> Hope to see everyone Saturday. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -be >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >> > From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sat Jan 31 00:00:06 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Jan 30 09:27:59 2009 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Charlug] Upgrading old Ubuntu] In-Reply-To: <4983C476.6090000@hpss.de> References: <49837837.5000906@hpss.de> <200901301820.01370.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4983C476.6090000@hpss.de> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901302100i352e4dbcr8e21563ebb0a4f7f@mail.gmail.com> There is no list admin. There is no admin. On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Peter Senft wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Pierre, > > Pierre Abbat wrote: >> I'm not very familiar with aptitude; most of my package management I do with >> adept, and if it crashes I use apt-get. How would I upgrade with aptitude? > > aptitude is usable as a command line utility like apt-get or with a > curses interface when you start it without any parameters. It has about > the same parameters as apt-cache and apt-get. So a simple aptitude > update would update the repository and an aptitude dist-upgrade would > dot the distribution upgrade. In terms of stability I would recommend to > use apt-get or aptitude. adept sucks and is way too unstable. > >> And what exactly is do-release-upgrade doing? > > That's IMHO just a wrapper for the real update tool (apt) and part of > the update-manager-core. AFAIK this thing is performing a dist-upgrade > with a certain set of parameters. It can use python-apt or apt-get to do > it. > >> By the way, could you use "reply to list" instead of "reply to all"? For some >> reason, if charlug is in CC: instead of To:, I don't get a copy through the >> list. > > Hmm... was that for me or Dennis? And... that's more for the list admin. > Why is he not getting the mails, when we cc the list? I always do a > reply to all and it seems that some people got my mails. > > cu hps > > - -- > | Peter Senft > /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de > \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 > X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 > / \ | Powered by Debian Linux > | #185651 http://counter.li.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJg8R28C47DFW4ANMRAgurAKCONofoQ0AivUwurEGCYzV9Z6e3HgCfWp01 > wr3b3oz0alvdmkFD/wAQhto= > =Keva > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > From michael at prismbiz.com Sat Jan 31 09:49:46 2009 From: michael at prismbiz.com (Michael McCandless) Date: Fri Jan 30 19:17:18 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Out of Space Reported by Logwatch Message-ID: On Fedora 10, logwatch reports 'disk filling up', specifically: --------------------- Disk Space Begin ------------------------ Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda3 373M 351M 2.1M 100% / /dev/sda8 494M 11M 458M 3% /home /dev/sda7 1012M 34M 927M 4% /tmp /dev/sda6 3.0G 314M 2.6G 11% /var /dev/sda5 4.0G 2.4G 1.4G 64% /usr /dev/sda1 373M 31M 323M 9% /boot /dev/sda3 => 100% Used. Warning. Disk Filling up. ---------------------- Disk Space End ------------------------- How do I (easily) find what is taking up so much space? When I do: ll / I just get a bunch of directories, e.g.: ll -hs / total 87K 4.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 3.0K 2009-01-25 04:06 bin 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1.0K 2009-01-30 22:22 boot 0 drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4.0K 2009-01-30 22:34 dev 10K drwxr-xr-x 118 root root 9.0K 2009-01-31 00:00 etc 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 1.0K 2008-12-27 04:17 home 10K drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 9.0K 2009-01-25 04:06 lib 13K drwx------ 2 root root 12K 2008-12-24 09:51 lost+found 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1.0K 2008-09-06 06:13 media 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1.0K 2008-09-06 06:13 mnt 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1.0K 2008-09-06 06:13 opt 0 dr-xr-xr-x 89 root root 0 2009-01-30 22:32 proc 2.0K drwxr-x--- 3 root root 1.0K 2009-01-31 01:37 root 10K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 9.0K 2009-01-25 04:06 sbin 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1.0K 2008-12-24 10:09 selinux 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1.0K 2008-09-06 06:13 srv 0 drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 0 2009-01-30 22:32 sys 8.0K drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 4.0K 2009-01-31 09:41 tmp 8.0K drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4.0K 2008-12-25 04:45 usr 8.0K drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4.0K 2008-12-26 19:29 var What command(s) do I execute to tell me what is taking up all my space on / ? ------------------------- Michael McCandless michael@prismbiz.com ------------------------- Michael McCandless michael@prismbiz.com From leam at reuel.net Sat Jan 31 10:07:37 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Fri Jan 30 19:35:37 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Out of Space Reported by Logwatch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49846939.8070409@reuel.net> du -xk | sort -n FYI, 400M is a small / partition. You'd be better off switching /tmp and /. Leam Michael McCandless wrote: > On Fedora 10, logwatch reports 'disk filling up', specifically: > > --------------------- Disk Space Begin ------------------------ > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/sda3 373M 351M 2.1M 100% / > /dev/sda8 494M 11M 458M 3% /home > /dev/sda7 1012M 34M 927M 4% /tmp > /dev/sda6 3.0G 314M 2.6G 11% /var > /dev/sda5 4.0G 2.4G 1.4G 64% /usr > /dev/sda1 373M 31M 323M 9% /boot > > /dev/sda3 => 100% Used. Warning. Disk Filling up. > > ---------------------- Disk Space End ------------------------- > > How do I (easily) find what is taking up so much space? When I do: > ll / > > I just get a bunch of directories, e.g.: > > ll -hs / > total 87K > 4.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 3.0K 2009-01-25 04:06 bin > 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1.0K 2009-01-30 22:22 boot > 0 drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4.0K 2009-01-30 22:34 dev > 10K drwxr-xr-x 118 root root 9.0K 2009-01-31 00:00 etc > 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 1.0K 2008-12-27 04:17 home > 10K drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 9.0K 2009-01-25 04:06 lib > 13K drwx------ 2 root root 12K 2008-12-24 09:51 lost+found > 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1.0K 2008-09-06 06:13 media > 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1.0K 2008-09-06 06:13 mnt > 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1.0K 2008-09-06 06:13 opt > 0 dr-xr-xr-x 89 root root 0 2009-01-30 22:32 proc > 2.0K drwxr-x--- 3 root root 1.0K 2009-01-31 01:37 root > 10K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 9.0K 2009-01-25 04:06 sbin > 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1.0K 2008-12-24 10:09 selinux > 2.0K drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1.0K 2008-09-06 06:13 srv > 0 drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 0 2009-01-30 22:32 sys > 8.0K drwxrwxrwt 4 root root 4.0K 2009-01-31 09:41 tmp > 8.0K drwxr-xr-x 14 root root 4.0K 2008-12-25 04:45 usr > 8.0K drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 4.0K 2008-12-26 19:29 var > > What command(s) do I execute to tell me what is taking up all my space on / > ? > > ------------------------- > Michael McCandless > michael@prismbiz.com > > > > > > ------------------------- > Michael McCandless > michael@prismbiz.com > > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > From leam at reuel.net Sat Jan 31 10:14:15 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Fri Jan 30 19:42:12 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Saturday "Open Source Tech Fair" - CPCC - 10 - 2 ; ; ; 01/31/09 In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901302058o5fc13099jc49cefc906f4e39c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190901301707n334379d2i2f38aac155706db2@mail.gmail.com> <4983C012.8010707@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190901302058g41436ac9ja1441980bc88ac1c@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190901302058o5fc13099jc49cefc906f4e39c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49846AC7.9040505@reuel.net> Good you gave the address, Google marks their websites as "May harm your computer"! Maybe we should help out their computer staff... Leam --On my way, really... Bob Evans wrote: > 2009/1/30 Bob Evans : >> Sorry >> >> >> Central Piedmont Community? >> 2800 Campus Ridge Rd >> Matthews, NC 28105 >> (704) 330-4200 >> >> >> CATS riders: >> >> Call me for connecting ride. >> >> 704 989 6498 >> >> Route 27 >> >> Downtown - to - Matthews >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Leam Hall wrote: >>> Did I miss the map? Not sure, is the Levine campus the one near Stallings? >>> How big is it? >>> >>> Leam the often lost... >>> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>>> Hope to see everyone Saturday. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> -be >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>> > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sat Jan 3 06:38:37 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Wed Apr 8 02:08:39 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Mtg Notes... 01/03/09 Message-ID: <7c5cd1190901031808k23916cb7v4265f0e4cf54b25c@mail.gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -----= --------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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