From bobevans19 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 15:08:44 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (bobevans19@gmail.com) Date: Wed Apr 1 00:43:42 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Fwd: CharLUG Library In-Reply-To: <49D3AFC0.4050706@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> I open this to discussion.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joe Josey Date: Apr 1, 2009 2:17pm Subject: CharLUG Library To: Bob Evans , joejosey@gmail.com > Hello, Bob. > Glad to see CharLUG is on the move again. > I have the CharLUG library consisting of > 5 or 6 large totes of mostly dated books along with a cd/dvd collection = > in a notebook. > I am cleaning out my storage area and need to know if CharLUG wants the > library books/media? > If so, please let me know where I can drop it off. > Thanks, > Joe Josey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090402/6c04d105/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 03:39:09 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sat Apr 4 13:13:57 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library In-Reply-To: <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> References: <49D3AFC0.4050706@gmail.com> <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904050039v3608b893ha0508fa7b864839a@mail.gmail.com> Yo - I met Joe Saturday & transferred over the following: The LUG library... The paperwork for the LUG - incorporation, etc... The software inventory. I will bring all or most of this to the next Saturday meeting - on my calendar that would be April 25, 2009. -be On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, wrote: > I open this to discussion.... > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Joe Josey > Date: Apr 1, 2009 2:17pm > Subject: CharLUG Library > To: Bob Evans , joejosey@gmail.com > > > > Hello, Bob. > > > > Glad to see CharLUG is on the move again. > > > > I have the CharLUG library consisting of > > > > 5 or 6 large totes of mostly dated books along with a cd/dvd collection > in a notebook. > > > > I am cleaning out my storage area and need to know if CharLUG wants the > > > > library books/media? > > > > If so, please let me know where I can drop it off. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe Josey > > > > > > > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090405/3afd08b4/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 03:45:02 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sat Apr 4 13:19:50 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904050039v3608b893ha0508fa7b864839a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D3AFC0.4050706@gmail.com> <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> <7c5cd1190904050039v3608b893ha0508fa7b864839a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904050045m54cb341es6e8e9f86ae4932a@mail.gmail.com> Sorry (Hit enter before I could say...) A big "Thank You" to Joe Josey for keeping track of all this stuff. It points out a huge need for the LUG long term - we need a location where we can keep all the books, CDs, DVDs, etc, where we can 1) Have member access to these resources on an as needed basis. 2) We don't dump on folks like Joe, Leam, Sean, etc, to store vast quantities of stuff forever. Let's all think about alternative solutions to this one. Surely other clubs have had this dilemma. I will add a general discussion topic to the April agenda, but don't wait, email in your ideas & thoughts now............... -be On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > Yo - > > I met Joe Saturday & transferred over the following: > > The LUG library... > > The paperwork for the LUG - incorporation, etc... > > The software inventory. > > I will bring all or most of this to the next Saturday meeting - on my > calendar that would be April 25, 2009. > > -be > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, wrote: > >> I open this to discussion.... >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Joe Josey >> Date: Apr 1, 2009 2:17pm >> Subject: CharLUG Library >> To: Bob Evans , joejosey@gmail.com >> >> >> > Hello, Bob. >> > >> > Glad to see CharLUG is on the move again. >> > >> > I have the CharLUG library consisting of >> > >> > 5 or 6 large totes of mostly dated books along with a cd/dvd collection >> in a notebook. >> > >> > I am cleaning out my storage area and need to know if CharLUG wants the >> > >> > library books/media? >> > >> > If so, please let me know where I can drop it off. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Joe Josey >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 > > Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical > about it. > - Paul Tillich > > Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can= 't > touch you if you're out doing something interesting. > - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine > > > > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090405/ccca7337/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Sun Apr 5 08:55:25 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sat Apr 4 18:30:17 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904050045m54cb341es6e8e9f86ae4932a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D3AFC0.4050706@gmail.com> <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> <7c5cd1190904050039v3608b893ha0508fa7b864839a@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904050045m54cb341es6e8e9f86ae4932a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D8AA3D.4060403@reuel.net> The LUG Library seems next to unused. Far as I know I'm the only person who wrote reviews for O'Reilly. Even got me a small spot on their website a few weeks ago. Maybe it's just a personality difference; I love reading books and learn better from a page than a class. For the most part I slept through grad school, read the materials, and got my edu-ma-cation. How many folks still use a book to dive into a topic? Do you get more and better from web-sites? Or do you prefer man pages and hands on testing? Or something else entirely? We know there are different learning styles. http://www.businessballs.com/kolblearningstyles.htm and various was to learn (class, read, one on one). Anyone want to speak up on how they learn best? That might give us as a LUG some ideas on raising our own bar. As noted, I read to learn and tend to assimilate although I'm converging more and more in my old age... How about you? In other news, a big "THANKS!" to Bob for getting the LUG paperwork. Organizationally we probably want to figure out where we what to go from wherever we are. Leam Bob Evans wrote: > Sorry > > (Hit enter before I could say...) > > > A big "Thank You" to Joe Josey for keeping track of all this stuff. It > points out a huge need for the LUG long term - we need a location where we > can keep all the books, CDs, DVDs, etc, where we can > > 1) Have member access to these resources on an as needed basis. > > 2) We don't dump on folks like Joe, Leam, Sean, etc, to store vast > quantities of stuff forever. > > Let's all think about alternative solutions to this one. Surely other clubs > have had this dilemma. > > I will add a general discussion topic to the April agenda, but don't wait, > email in your ideas & thoughts now............... > > -be > > > > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > >> Yo - >> >> I met Joe Saturday & transferred over the following: >> >> The LUG library... >> >> The paperwork for the LUG - incorporation, etc... >> >> The software inventory. >> >> I will bring all or most of this to the next Saturday meeting - on my >> calendar that would be April 25, 2009. >> >> -be >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, wrote: >> >>> I open this to discussion.... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Joe Josey >>> Date: Apr 1, 2009 2:17pm >>> Subject: CharLUG Library >>> To: Bob Evans , joejosey@gmail.com >>> >>> >>>> Hello, Bob. >>>> >>>> Glad to see CharLUG is on the move again. >>>> >>>> I have the CharLUG library consisting of >>>> >>>> 5 or 6 large totes of mostly dated books along with a cd/dvd collection >>> in a notebook. >>>> I am cleaning out my storage area and need to know if CharLUG wants the >>>> >>>> library books/media? >>>> >>>> If so, please let me know where I can drop it off. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Joe Josey >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 >> >> Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical >> about it. >> - Paul Tillich >> >> Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't >> touch you if you're out doing something interesting. >> - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 13:07:12 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sat Apr 4 22:41:58 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library In-Reply-To: <49D8AA3D.4060403@reuel.net> References: <49D3AFC0.4050706@gmail.com> <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> <7c5cd1190904050039v3608b893ha0508fa7b864839a@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904050045m54cb341es6e8e9f86ae4932a@mail.gmail.com> <49D8AA3D.4060403@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904051007x44b2eb78g42d60fa38ab0796f@mail.gmail.com> Gang... I'm not sure if we should continue the "library". We have Safari access, which, in a pinch, is better than hardcover books, IMHO... I use the hard copy books when I am delving in to something in depth. But in our case... I suggest that anyone who wants any of the LUG books should feel free to take them. After all, we paid nothing for them. It is a big pain in the back side to store them. We don't have a place where we can set them up for everyone to use. So lets distribute them out to the members of the LUG. If you really want to track them, we can use the online library tool on the web site... That being said... I will bring the books to the next several meetings. If you see a title you are interested in, take it. DO NOT RETURN ANY TITLES TO ME. -be On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > The LUG Library seems next to unused. Far as I know I'm the only person w= ho > wrote reviews for O'Reilly. Even got me a small spot on their website a f= ew > weeks ago. Maybe it's just a personality difference; I love reading books > and learn better from a page than a class. For the most part I slept thro= ugh > grad school, read the materials, and got my edu-ma-cation. > > How many folks still use a book to dive into a topic? Do you get more and > better from web-sites? Or do you prefer man pages and hands on testing? Or > something else entirely? > > We know there are different learning styles. > http://www.businessballs.com/kolblearningstyles.htm > > and various was to learn (class, read, one on one). Anyone want to speak = up > on how they learn best? That might give us as a LUG some ideas on raising > our own bar. > > As noted, I read to learn and tend to assimilate although I'm converging > more and more in my old age... How about you? > > In other news, a big "THANKS!" to Bob for getting the LUG paperwork. > Organizationally we probably want to figure out where we what to go from > wherever we are. > > Leam > > Bob Evans wrote: > >> Sorry >> >> (Hit enter before I could say...) >> >> >> A big "Thank You" to Joe Josey for keeping track of all this stuff. It >> points out a huge need for the LUG long term - we need a location where = we >> can keep all the books, CDs, DVDs, etc, where we can >> >> 1) Have member access to these resources on an as needed basis. >> >> 2) We don't dump on folks like Joe, Leam, Sean, etc, to store vast >> quantities of stuff forever. >> >> Let's all think about alternative solutions to this one. Surely other >> clubs >> have had this dilemma. >> >> I will add a general discussion topic to the April agenda, but don't >> wait, >> email in your ideas & thoughts now............... >> >> -be >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Bob Evans wrote: >> >> Yo - >>> >>> I met Joe Saturday & transferred over the following: >>> >>> The LUG library... >>> >>> The paperwork for the LUG - incorporation, etc... >>> >>> The software inventory. >>> >>> I will bring all or most of this to the next Saturday meeting - on my >>> calendar that would be April 25, 2009. >>> >>> -be >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, wrote: >>> >>> I open this to discussion.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Joe Josey >>>> Date: Apr 1, 2009 2:17pm >>>> Subject: CharLUG Library >>>> To: Bob Evans , joejosey@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello, Bob. >>>>> >>>>> Glad to see CharLUG is on the move again. >>>>> >>>>> I have the CharLUG library consisting of >>>>> >>>>> 5 or 6 large totes of mostly dated books along with a cd/dvd collecti= on >>>>> >>>> in a notebook. >>>> >>>>> I am cleaning out my storage area and need to know if CharLUG wants t= he >>>>> >>>>> library books/media? >>>>> >>>>> If so, please let me know where I can drop it off. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Joe Josey >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 >>> >>> Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical >>> about it. >>> - Paul Tillich >>> >>> Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They >>> can't >>> touch you if you're out doing something interesting. >>> - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090405/a70d4c47/att= achment-0001.htm From jason at rampaginggeek.com Sun Apr 5 20:33:51 2009 From: jason at rampaginggeek.com (Jason Edgecombe) Date: Sun Apr 5 06:08:38 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904051007x44b2eb78g42d60fa38ab0796f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D3AFC0.4050706@gmail.com> <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> <7c5cd1190904050039v3608b893ha0508fa7b864839a@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904050045m54cb341es6e8e9f86ae4932a@mail.gmail.com> <49D8AA3D.4060403@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904051007x44b2eb78g42d60fa38ab0796f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D94DEF.3090606@rampaginggeek.com> What about donating them to the Charmeck Public library? Ideally, they would put them in circulation and allow LUG members, and everyone else in CharMeck to access them. Jason Bob Evans wrote: > Gang... > > I'm not sure if we should continue the "library". We have Safari access, > which, in a pinch, is better than hardcover books, IMHO... > > I use the hard copy books when I am delving in to something in depth. But in > our case... > > I suggest that anyone who wants any of the LUG books should feel free to > take them. After all, we paid nothing for them. It is a big pain in the > back side to store them. We don't have a place where we can set them up for > everyone to use. So lets distribute them out to the members of the LUG. If > you really want to track them, we can use the online library tool on the web > site... > > That being said... > > I will bring the books to the next several meetings. If you see a title you > are interested in, take it. > > DO NOT RETURN ANY TITLES TO ME. > > -be > > > > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > > >> The LUG Library seems next to unused. Far as I know I'm the only person who >> wrote reviews for O'Reilly. Even got me a small spot on their website a few >> weeks ago. Maybe it's just a personality difference; I love reading books >> and learn better from a page than a class. For the most part I slept through >> grad school, read the materials, and got my edu-ma-cation. >> >> How many folks still use a book to dive into a topic? Do you get more and >> better from web-sites? Or do you prefer man pages and hands on testing? Or >> something else entirely? >> >> We know there are different learning styles. >> http://www.businessballs.com/kolblearningstyles.htm >> >> and various was to learn (class, read, one on one). Anyone want to speak up >> on how they learn best? That might give us as a LUG some ideas on raising >> our own bar. >> >> As noted, I read to learn and tend to assimilate although I'm converging >> more and more in my old age... How about you? >> >> In other news, a big "THANKS!" to Bob for getting the LUG paperwork. >> Organizationally we probably want to figure out where we what to go from >> wherever we are. >> >> Leam >> >> Bob Evans wrote: >> >> >>> Sorry >>> >>> (Hit enter before I could say...) >>> >>> >>> A big "Thank You" to Joe Josey for keeping track of all this stuff. It >>> points out a huge need for the LUG long term - we need a location where we >>> can keep all the books, CDs, DVDs, etc, where we can >>> >>> 1) Have member access to these resources on an as needed basis. >>> >>> 2) We don't dump on folks like Joe, Leam, Sean, etc, to store vast >>> quantities of stuff forever. >>> >>> Let's all think about alternative solutions to this one. Surely other >>> clubs >>> have had this dilemma. >>> >>> I will add a general discussion topic to the April agenda, but don't >>> wait, >>> email in your ideas & thoughts now............... >>> >>> -be >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>> Yo - >>> >>>> I met Joe Saturday & transferred over the following: >>>> >>>> The LUG library... >>>> >>>> The paperwork for the LUG - incorporation, etc... >>>> >>>> The software inventory. >>>> >>>> I will bring all or most of this to the next Saturday meeting - on my >>>> calendar that would be April 25, 2009. >>>> >>>> -be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, wrote: >>>> >>>> I open this to discussion.... >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: Joe Josey >>>>> Date: Apr 1, 2009 2:17pm >>>>> Subject: CharLUG Library >>>>> To: Bob Evans , joejosey@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello, Bob. >>>>> >>>>>> Glad to see CharLUG is on the move again. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have the CharLUG library consisting of >>>>>> >>>>>> 5 or 6 large totes of mostly dated books along with a cd/dvd collection >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> in a notebook. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I am cleaning out my storage area and need to know if CharLUG wants the >>>>>> >>>>>> library books/media? >>>>>> >>>>>> If so, please let me know where I can drop it off. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe Josey >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 >>>> >>>> Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical >>>> about it. >>>> - Paul Tillich >>>> >>>> Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They >>>> can't >>>> touch you if you're out doing something interesting. >>>> - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 03:47:48 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 5 13:22:34 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library In-Reply-To: <49D94DEF.3090606@rampaginggeek.com> References: <49D3AFC0.4050706@gmail.com> <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> <7c5cd1190904050039v3608b893ha0508fa7b864839a@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904050045m54cb341es6e8e9f86ae4932a@mail.gmail.com> <49D8AA3D.4060403@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904051007x44b2eb78g42d60fa38ab0796f@mail.gmail.com> <49D94DEF.3090606@rampaginggeek.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904060047q35d32949n711e9e70c07e0118@mail.gmail.com> I am not opposed to that. Joe had mentioned something similar: donate them to CPCC library, with the caveat that the LUG members could always check them out... Sounds similar. I will ask next week at PLCMC... Thanks, Jason. -be On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Jason Edgecombe wr= ote: > What about donating them to the Charmeck Public library? > > Ideally, they would put them in circulation and allow LUG members, and > everyone else in CharMeck to access them. > > Jason > > > Bob Evans wrote: > >> Gang... >> >> I'm not sure if we should continue the "library". We have Safari access, >> which, in a pinch, is better than hardcover books, IMHO... >> >> I use the hard copy books when I am delving in to something in depth. But >> in >> our case... >> >> I suggest that anyone who wants any of the LUG books should feel free to >> take them. After all, we paid nothing for them. It is a big pain in the >> back side to store them. We don't have a place where we can set them up >> for >> everyone to use. So lets distribute them out to the members of the LUG. = If >> you really want to track them, we can use the online library tool on the >> web >> site... >> >> That being said... >> >> I will bring the books to the next several meetings. If you see a title >> you >> are interested in, take it. >> >> DO NOT RETURN ANY TITLES TO ME. >> >> -be >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >> >> >> >>> The LUG Library seems next to unused. Far as I know I'm the only person >>> who >>> wrote reviews for O'Reilly. Even got me a small spot on their website a >>> few >>> weeks ago. Maybe it's just a personality difference; I love reading boo= ks >>> and learn better from a page than a class. For the most part I slept >>> through >>> grad school, read the materials, and got my edu-ma-cation. >>> >>> How many folks still use a book to dive into a topic? Do you get more a= nd >>> better from web-sites? Or do you prefer man pages and hands on testing? >>> Or >>> something else entirely? >>> >>> We know there are different learning styles. >>> http://www.businessballs.com/kolblearningstyles.htm >>> >>> and various was to learn (class, read, one on one). Anyone want to speak >>> up >>> on how they learn best? That might give us as a LUG some ideas on raisi= ng >>> our own bar. >>> >>> As noted, I read to learn and tend to assimilate although I'm converging >>> more and more in my old age... How about you? >>> >>> In other news, a big "THANKS!" to Bob for getting the LUG paperwork. >>> Organizationally we probably want to figure out where we what to go from >>> wherever we are. >>> >>> Leam >>> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Sorry >>>> >>>> (Hit enter before I could say...) >>>> >>>> >>>> A big "Thank You" to Joe Josey for keeping track of all this stuff. It >>>> points out a huge need for the LUG long term - we need a location where >>>> we >>>> can keep all the books, CDs, DVDs, etc, where we can >>>> >>>> 1) Have member access to these resources on an as needed basis. >>>> >>>> 2) We don't dump on folks like Joe, Leam, Sean, etc, to store vast >>>> quantities of stuff forever. >>>> >>>> Let's all think about alternative solutions to this one. Surely other >>>> clubs >>>> have had this dilemma. >>>> >>>> I will add a general discussion topic to the April agenda, but don't >>>> wait, >>>> email in your ideas & thoughts now............... >>>> >>>> -be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Bob Evans wrote: >>>> >>>> Yo - >>>> >>>> >>>>> I met Joe Saturday & transferred over the following: >>>>> >>>>> The LUG library... >>>>> >>>>> The paperwork for the LUG - incorporation, etc... >>>>> >>>>> The software inventory. >>>>> >>>>> I will bring all or most of this to the next Saturday meeting - on my >>>>> calendar that would be April 25, 2009. >>>>> >>>>> -be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I open this to discussion.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: Joe Josey >>>>>> Date: Apr 1, 2009 2:17pm >>>>>> Subject: CharLUG Library >>>>>> To: Bob Evans , joejosey@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, Bob. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Glad to see CharLUG is on the move again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have the CharLUG library consisting of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5 or 6 large totes of mostly dated books along with a cd/dvd >>>>>>> collection >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> in a notebook. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am cleaning out my storage area and need to know if CharLUG wants >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> library books/media? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If so, please let me know where I can drop it off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe Josey >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 >>>>> >>>>> Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynic= al >>>>> about it. >>>>> - Paul Tillich >>>>> >>>>> Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They >>>>> can't >>>>> touch you if you're out doing something interesting. >>>>> - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> >> > > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090406/3e293e60/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Mon Apr 6 06:10:17 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Apr 5 15:45:09 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904060047q35d32949n711e9e70c07e0118@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D3AFC0.4050706@gmail.com> <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> <7c5cd1190904050039v3608b893ha0508fa7b864839a@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904050045m54cb341es6e8e9f86ae4932a@mail.gmail.com> <49D8AA3D.4060403@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904051007x44b2eb78g42d60fa38ab0796f@mail.gmail.com> <49D94DEF.3090606@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190904060047q35d32949n711e9e70c07e0118@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D9D509.9060607@reuel.net> Not sure we can do either, as they were given to us by O'Reilly. I tend to try and find homes for them with other LUGs or User groups, or non-LUG co-workers. Since we don't have a legal and official club, with member IDs, not sure how CPCC could track who all could check them out. Leam Bob Evans wrote: > I am not opposed to that. Joe had mentioned something similar: donate them > to CPCC library, with the caveat that the LUG members could always check > them out... > > Sounds similar. I will ask next week at PLCMC... > > Thanks, Jason. > > -be > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Jason Edgecombe wrote: > >> What about donating them to the Charmeck Public library? >> >> Ideally, they would put them in circulation and allow LUG members, and >> everyone else in CharMeck to access them. >> >> Jason >> >> >> Bob Evans wrote: >> >>> Gang... >>> >>> I'm not sure if we should continue the "library". We have Safari access, >>> which, in a pinch, is better than hardcover books, IMHO... >>> >>> I use the hard copy books when I am delving in to something in depth. But >>> in >>> our case... >>> >>> I suggest that anyone who wants any of the LUG books should feel free to >>> take them. After all, we paid nothing for them. It is a big pain in the >>> back side to store them. We don't have a place where we can set them up >>> for >>> everyone to use. So lets distribute them out to the members of the LUG. If >>> you really want to track them, we can use the online library tool on the >>> web >>> site... >>> >>> That being said... >>> >>> I will bring the books to the next several meetings. If you see a title >>> you >>> are interested in, take it. >>> >>> DO NOT RETURN ANY TITLES TO ME. >>> >>> -be >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> The LUG Library seems next to unused. Far as I know I'm the only person >>>> who >>>> wrote reviews for O'Reilly. Even got me a small spot on their website a >>>> few >>>> weeks ago. Maybe it's just a personality difference; I love reading books >>>> and learn better from a page than a class. For the most part I slept >>>> through >>>> grad school, read the materials, and got my edu-ma-cation. >>>> >>>> How many folks still use a book to dive into a topic? Do you get more and >>>> better from web-sites? Or do you prefer man pages and hands on testing? >>>> Or >>>> something else entirely? >>>> >>>> We know there are different learning styles. >>>> http://www.businessballs.com/kolblearningstyles.htm >>>> >>>> and various was to learn (class, read, one on one). Anyone want to speak >>>> up >>>> on how they learn best? That might give us as a LUG some ideas on raising >>>> our own bar. >>>> >>>> As noted, I read to learn and tend to assimilate although I'm converging >>>> more and more in my old age... How about you? >>>> >>>> In other news, a big "THANKS!" to Bob for getting the LUG paperwork. >>>> Organizationally we probably want to figure out where we what to go from >>>> wherever we are. >>>> >>>> Leam >>>> >>>> Bob Evans wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Sorry >>>>> >>>>> (Hit enter before I could say...) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A big "Thank You" to Joe Josey for keeping track of all this stuff. It >>>>> points out a huge need for the LUG long term - we need a location where >>>>> we >>>>> can keep all the books, CDs, DVDs, etc, where we can >>>>> >>>>> 1) Have member access to these resources on an as needed basis. >>>>> >>>>> 2) We don't dump on folks like Joe, Leam, Sean, etc, to store vast >>>>> quantities of stuff forever. >>>>> >>>>> Let's all think about alternative solutions to this one. Surely other >>>>> clubs >>>>> have had this dilemma. >>>>> >>>>> I will add a general discussion topic to the April agenda, but don't >>>>> wait, >>>>> email in your ideas & thoughts now............... >>>>> >>>>> -be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Bob Evans wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yo - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I met Joe Saturday & transferred over the following: >>>>>> >>>>>> The LUG library... >>>>>> >>>>>> The paperwork for the LUG - incorporation, etc... >>>>>> >>>>>> The software inventory. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will bring all or most of this to the next Saturday meeting - on my >>>>>> calendar that would be April 25, 2009. >>>>>> >>>>>> -be >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I open this to discussion.... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>> From: Joe Josey >>>>>>> Date: Apr 1, 2009 2:17pm >>>>>>> Subject: CharLUG Library >>>>>>> To: Bob Evans , joejosey@gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, Bob. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Glad to see CharLUG is on the move again. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have the CharLUG library consisting of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 5 or 6 large totes of mostly dated books along with a cd/dvd >>>>>>>> collection >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> in a notebook. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am cleaning out my storage area and need to know if CharLUG wants >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> library books/media? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If so, please let me know where I can drop it off. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joe Josey >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 >>>>>> >>>>>> Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical >>>>>> about it. >>>>>> - Paul Tillich >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They >>>>>> can't >>>>>> touch you if you're out doing something interesting. >>>>>> - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >>> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 06:22:37 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 5 15:57:23 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library In-Reply-To: <49D9D509.9060607@reuel.net> References: <49D3AFC0.4050706@gmail.com> <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> <7c5cd1190904050039v3608b893ha0508fa7b864839a@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904050045m54cb341es6e8e9f86ae4932a@mail.gmail.com> <49D8AA3D.4060403@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904051007x44b2eb78g42d60fa38ab0796f@mail.gmail.com> <49D94DEF.3090606@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190904060047q35d32949n711e9e70c07e0118@mail.gmail.com> <49D9D509.9060607@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904060322v75c17614medf57d43814dffac@mail.gmail.com> Well, they ain't staying in my garage. I'm probably taking an out of town 18 month assignment. So if the LUG members want 'em, come to the meeting on the 4th Saturday of April. Otherwise... On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > Not sure we can do either, as they were given to us by O'Reilly. I tend to > try and find homes for them with other LUGs or User groups, or non-LUG > co-workers. > > Since we don't have a legal and official club, with member IDs, not sure > how CPCC could track who all could check them out. > > Leam > > > Bob Evans wrote: > >> I am not opposed to that. Joe had mentioned something similar: donate th= em >> to CPCC library, with the caveat that the LUG members could always check >> them out... >> >> Sounds similar. I will ask next week at PLCMC... >> >> Thanks, Jason. >> >> -be >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Jason Edgecombe > >wrote: >> >> What about donating them to the Charmeck Public library? >>> >>> Ideally, they would put them in circulation and allow LUG members, and >>> everyone else in CharMeck to access them. >>> >>> Jason >>> >>> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>> Gang... >>>> >>>> I'm not sure if we should continue the "library". We have Safari acces= s, >>>> which, in a pinch, is better than hardcover books, IMHO... >>>> >>>> I use the hard copy books when I am delving in to something in depth. >>>> But >>>> in >>>> our case... >>>> >>>> I suggest that anyone who wants any of the LUG books should feel free = to >>>> take them. After all, we paid nothing for them. It is a big pain in t= he >>>> back side to store them. We don't have a place where we can set them up >>>> for >>>> everyone to use. So lets distribute them out to the members of the LUG. >>>> If >>>> you really want to track them, we can use the online library tool on t= he >>>> web >>>> site... >>>> >>>> That being said... >>>> >>>> I will bring the books to the next several meetings. If you see a title >>>> you >>>> are interested in, take it. >>>> >>>> DO NOT RETURN ANY TITLES TO ME. >>>> >>>> -be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The LUG Library seems next to unused. Far as I know I'm the only pers= on >>>>> who >>>>> wrote reviews for O'Reilly. Even got me a small spot on their website= a >>>>> few >>>>> weeks ago. Maybe it's just a personality difference; I love reading >>>>> books >>>>> and learn better from a page than a class. For the most part I slept >>>>> through >>>>> grad school, read the materials, and got my edu-ma-cation. >>>>> >>>>> How many folks still use a book to dive into a topic? Do you get more >>>>> and >>>>> better from web-sites? Or do you prefer man pages and hands on testin= g? >>>>> Or >>>>> something else entirely? >>>>> >>>>> We know there are different learning styles. >>>>> http://www.businessballs.com/kolblearningstyles.htm >>>>> >>>>> and various was to learn (class, read, one on one). Anyone want to >>>>> speak >>>>> up >>>>> on how they learn best? That might give us as a LUG some ideas on >>>>> raising >>>>> our own bar. >>>>> >>>>> As noted, I read to learn and tend to assimilate although I'm >>>>> converging >>>>> more and more in my old age... How about you? >>>>> >>>>> In other news, a big "THANKS!" to Bob for getting the LUG paperwork. >>>>> Organizationally we probably want to figure out where we what to go >>>>> from >>>>> wherever we are. >>>>> >>>>> Leam >>>>> >>>>> Bob Evans wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry >>>>>> >>>>>> (Hit enter before I could say...) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A big "Thank You" to Joe Josey for keeping track of all this stuff. = It >>>>>> points out a huge need for the LUG long term - we need a location >>>>>> where >>>>>> we >>>>>> can keep all the books, CDs, DVDs, etc, where we can >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Have member access to these resources on an as needed basis. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) We don't dump on folks like Joe, Leam, Sean, etc, to store vast >>>>>> quantities of stuff forever. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let's all think about alternative solutions to this one. Surely other >>>>>> clubs >>>>>> have had this dilemma. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will add a general discussion topic to the April agenda, but don't >>>>>> wait, >>>>>> email in your ideas & thoughts now............... >>>>>> >>>>>> -be >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Bob Evans >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yo - >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I met Joe Saturday & transferred over the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The LUG library... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The paperwork for the LUG - incorporation, etc... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The software inventory. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will bring all or most of this to the next Saturday meeting - on = my >>>>>>> calendar that would be April 25, 2009. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I open this to discussion.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: Joe Josey >>>>>>>> Date: Apr 1, 2009 2:17pm >>>>>>>> Subject: CharLUG Library >>>>>>>> To: Bob Evans , joejosey@gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, Bob. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Glad to see CharLUG is on the move again. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have the CharLUG library consisting of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 5 or 6 large totes of mostly dated books along with a cd/dvd >>>>>>>>> collection >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> in a notebook. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am cleaning out my storage area and need to know if CharLUG wan= ts >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> library books/media? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If so, please let me know where I can drop it off. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Joe Josey >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be >>>>>>> cynical >>>>>>> about it. >>>>>>> - Paul Tillich >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. Th= ey >>>>>>> can't >>>>>>> touch you if you're out doing something interesting. >>>>>>> - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------= --- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. 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URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090406/6c7392da/att= achment-0001.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 06:37:23 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 5 16:12:17 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904060322v75c17614medf57d43814dffac@mail.gmail.com> References: <49D3AFC0.4050706@gmail.com> <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> <7c5cd1190904050039v3608b893ha0508fa7b864839a@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904050045m54cb341es6e8e9f86ae4932a@mail.gmail.com> <49D8AA3D.4060403@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904051007x44b2eb78g42d60fa38ab0796f@mail.gmail.com> <49D94DEF.3090606@rampaginggeek.com> <7c5cd1190904060047q35d32949n711e9e70c07e0118@mail.gmail.com> <49D9D509.9060607@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904060322v75c17614medf57d43814dffac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904060337p3f6db958u4c755697fcb1cd28@mail.gmail.com> One last point. O'Reilly gave us many of these books, but they are ours now, right? So we can do with them what we wish. (I would think...) IANAL Checked a couple boxes, though. Most seem to have "CharLUG" in magic marker on the outsides of the pages. So I doubt that any library will accept them in that state... Oh, well. On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > Well, they ain't staying in my garage. I'm probably taking an out of town > 18 month assignment. So if the LUG members want 'em, come to the meeting= on > the 4th Saturday of April. > > Otherwise... > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 6:10 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > >> Not sure we can do either, as they were given to us by O'Reilly. I tend = to >> try and find homes for them with other LUGs or User groups, or non-LUG >> co-workers. >> >> Since we don't have a legal and official club, with member IDs, not sure >> how CPCC could track who all could check them out. >> >> Leam >> >> >> Bob Evans wrote: >> >>> I am not opposed to that. Joe had mentioned something similar: donate >>> them >>> to CPCC library, with the caveat that the LUG members could always check >>> them out... >>> >>> Sounds similar. I will ask next week at PLCMC... >>> >>> Thanks, Jason. >>> >>> -be >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Jason Edgecombe >> >wrote: >>> >>> What about donating them to the Charmeck Public library? >>>> >>>> Ideally, they would put them in circulation and allow LUG members, and >>>> everyone else in CharMeck to access them. >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> >>>> Bob Evans wrote: >>>> >>>> Gang... >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if we should continue the "library". We have Safari >>>>> access, >>>>> which, in a pinch, is better than hardcover books, IMHO... >>>>> >>>>> I use the hard copy books when I am delving in to something in depth. >>>>> But >>>>> in >>>>> our case... >>>>> >>>>> I suggest that anyone who wants any of the LUG books should feel free >>>>> to >>>>> take them. After all, we paid nothing for them. It is a big pain in >>>>> the >>>>> back side to store them. We don't have a place where we can set them = up >>>>> for >>>>> everyone to use. So lets distribute them out to the members of the LU= G. >>>>> If >>>>> you really want to track them, we can use the online library tool on >>>>> the >>>>> web >>>>> site... >>>>> >>>>> That being said... >>>>> >>>>> I will bring the books to the next several meetings. If you see a tit= le >>>>> you >>>>> are interested in, take it. >>>>> >>>>> DO NOT RETURN ANY TITLES TO ME. >>>>> >>>>> -be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The LUG Library seems next to unused. Far as I know I'm the only >>>>>> person >>>>>> who >>>>>> wrote reviews for O'Reilly. Even got me a small spot on their website >>>>>> a >>>>>> few >>>>>> weeks ago. Maybe it's just a personality difference; I love reading >>>>>> books >>>>>> and learn better from a page than a class. For the most part I slept >>>>>> through >>>>>> grad school, read the materials, and got my edu-ma-cation. >>>>>> >>>>>> How many folks still use a book to dive into a topic? Do you get more >>>>>> and >>>>>> better from web-sites? Or do you prefer man pages and hands on >>>>>> testing? >>>>>> Or >>>>>> something else entirely? >>>>>> >>>>>> We know there are different learning styles. >>>>>> http://www.businessballs.com/kolblearningstyles.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> and various was to learn (class, read, one on one). Anyone want to >>>>>> speak >>>>>> up >>>>>> on how they learn best? That might give us as a LUG some ideas on >>>>>> raising >>>>>> our own bar. >>>>>> >>>>>> As noted, I read to learn and tend to assimilate although I'm >>>>>> converging >>>>>> more and more in my old age... How about you? >>>>>> >>>>>> In other news, a big "THANKS!" to Bob for getting the LUG paperwork. >>>>>> Organizationally we probably want to figure out where we what to go >>>>>> from >>>>>> wherever we are. >>>>>> >>>>>> Leam >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob Evans wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Hit enter before I could say...) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A big "Thank You" to Joe Josey for keeping track of all this stuff. >>>>>>> It >>>>>>> points out a huge need for the LUG long term - we need a location >>>>>>> where >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> can keep all the books, CDs, DVDs, etc, where we can >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) Have member access to these resources on an as needed basis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) We don't dump on folks like Joe, Leam, Sean, etc, to store vast >>>>>>> quantities of stuff forever. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's all think about alternative solutions to this one. Surely oth= er >>>>>>> clubs >>>>>>> have had this dilemma. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will add a general discussion topic to the April agenda, but don= 't >>>>>>> wait, >>>>>>> email in your ideas & thoughts now............... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -be >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Bob Evans >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yo - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I met Joe Saturday & transferred over the following: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The LUG library... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The paperwork for the LUG - incorporation, etc... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The software inventory. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I will bring all or most of this to the next Saturday meeting - on >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> calendar that would be April 25, 2009. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -be >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I open this to discussion.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Joe Josey >>>>>>>>> Date: Apr 1, 2009 2:17pm >>>>>>>>> Subject: CharLUG Library >>>>>>>>> To: Bob Evans , joejosey@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, Bob. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Glad to see CharLUG is on the move again. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have the CharLUG library consisting of >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 5 or 6 large totes of mostly dated books along with a cd/dvd >>>>>>>>>> collection >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> in a notebook. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am cleaning out my storage area and need to know if CharLUG >>>>>>>>>> wants >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> library books/media? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If so, please let me know where I can drop it off. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Joe Josey >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be >>>>>>>> cynical >>>>>>>> about it. >>>>>>>> - Paul Tillich >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. >>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>> touch you if you're out doing something interesting. >>>>>>>> - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>>>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>>>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > > > > -- > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 > > Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical > about it. > - Paul Tillich > > Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. 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URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090406/940b1576/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 09:31:48 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 5 19:06:35 2009 Subject: Fwd: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library In-Reply-To: <49D9FFE7.2040600@rampaginggeek.com> References: <49D3AFC0.4050706@gmail.com> <00163628360a5c80ab0466830b8f@google.com> <7c5cd1190904050039v3608b893ha0508fa7b864839a@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904050045m54cb341es6e8e9f86ae4932a@mail.gmail.com> <49D8AA3D.4060403@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904051007x44b2eb78g42d60fa38ab0796f@mail.gmail.com> <49D94DEF.3090606@rampaginggeek.com> <6E95B50F5EE44328A86D3EB40179882F@home3e2b87f190> <49D9FFE7.2040600@rampaginggeek.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904060631u68305dd8s5f68b25140213bac@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jason Edgecombe Date: Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library To: Bruce , Bob Evans Please resend to the list, not just me. Bruce wrote: > Dear Charlug guys, > I don't "write in" very much, > (really a "newbie" compared to most of yous guys) > But I can tell you this about the Charlotte Public Library: > STUFF-all stuff-GETS STOLEN!!!! > I'm pretty sure that (even) a complete, encyclopedic Concordance of the > Bible-24-26 Oversized, shoe-box width volumes got spirited out: > If you(all) want the charlug library "taken out of circulation," > The quickest way is to donate it to those ya-hoos who don't value books: > The Charlotte Public Library!!!! > (I bought, recently, a George Carlin book for 50cents!!!!) > --Please > -If it's a manageable amount of work > --I'D rather try to hold on to (some?) of it > --Than let it disappear!!!! > -Humbly, > -Saltydog, > -Center-city,Charlotte > (no car, no cat, no enemies!!!!) > I would ask for some tutelage/maybe meets up here???? (Only if desired.) > "...seeking out the poorer places where the ragged people go, > Lookin' for the places only they would know..." -- that's us!!!! > Put on your cleaned-up grubbies and sign somebody else's name and you'll fit > right in!!!! > We've got cameras on the doors, but put on glasses, etc., and you'll be > ignored...that's it!!!! > --Saltydog > By the way: I have had family in (fed) government, so watch it on the > phones, lol. > I'm sendin' this offer-to hold the library and meet (and teach ME for god's > sake!!!!-- and I mean it: That's what "I" get out of this)-up the flagpole, > I'll provide the coffee-instant OR decaf, or tea, or minerally-water (it's > an old-folks and disabled building (Edwin Towers)(#1212)and wireless(!) (a > Linksys router-$50 bucks, new,from an IT friend) and Ethernet cable-if > somebody's got a crimper and "ends"-- > --downside? I'm paranoid and superstitious and read scifi > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: charlug-bounces@charlug.org [mailto:charlug-bounces@charlug.org] On > Behalf Of Jason Edgecombe > Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:34 PM > To: Bob Evans > Cc: Charlotte Linux User Group > Subject: Re: [Charlug] Re: CharLUG Library > > What about donating them to the Charmeck Public library? > > Ideally, they would put them in circulation and allow LUG members, and > everyone else in CharMeck to access them. > > Jason > > Bob Evans wrote: > >> Gang... >> >> I'm not sure if we should continue the "library". We have Safari access, >> which, in a pinch, is better than hardcover books, IMHO... >> >> I use the hard copy books when I am delving in to something in depth. But >> > in > >> our case... >> >> I suggest that anyone who wants any of the LUG books should feel free to >> take them. After all, we paid nothing for them. It is a big pain in the >> back side to store them. We don't have a place where we can set them up >> > for > >> everyone to use. So lets distribute them out to the members of the LUG. If >> you really want to track them, we can use the online library tool on the >> > web > >> site... >> >> That being said... >> >> I will bring the books to the next several meetings. If you see a title >> > you > >> are interested in, take it. >> >> DO NOT RETURN ANY TITLES TO ME. >> >> -be >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >> >> >> >>> The LUG Library seems next to unused. Far as I know I'm the only person >>> > who > >>> wrote reviews for O'Reilly. Even got me a small spot on their website a >>> > few > >>> weeks ago. Maybe it's just a personality difference; I love reading books >>> and learn better from a page than a class. For the most part I slept >>> > through > >>> grad school, read the materials, and got my edu-ma-cation. >>> >>> How many folks still use a book to dive into a topic? Do you get more and >>> better from web-sites? Or do you prefer man pages and hands on testing? >>> > Or > >>> something else entirely? >>> >>> We know there are different learning styles. >>> http://www.businessballs.com/kolblearningstyles.htm >>> >>> and various was to learn (class, read, one on one). Anyone want to speak >>> > up > >>> on how they learn best? That might give us as a LUG some ideas on raising >>> our own bar. >>> >>> As noted, I read to learn and tend to assimilate although I'm converging >>> more and more in my old age... How about you? >>> >>> In other news, a big "THANKS!" to Bob for getting the LUG paperwork. >>> Organizationally we probably want to figure out where we what to go from >>> wherever we are. >>> >>> Leam >>> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Sorry >>>> >>>> (Hit enter before I could say...) >>>> >>>> >>>> A big "Thank You" to Joe Josey for keeping track of all this stuff. It >>>> points out a huge need for the LUG long term - we need a location where >>>> > we > >>>> can keep all the books, CDs, DVDs, etc, where we can >>>> >>>> 1) Have member access to these resources on an as needed basis. >>>> >>>> 2) We don't dump on folks like Joe, Leam, Sean, etc, to store vast >>>> quantities of stuff forever. >>>> >>>> Let's all think about alternative solutions to this one. Surely other >>>> clubs >>>> have had this dilemma. >>>> >>>> I will add a general discussion topic to the April agenda, but don't >>>> wait, >>>> email in your ideas & thoughts now............... >>>> >>>> -be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Bob Evans wrote: >>>> >>>> Yo - >>>> >>>> >>>>> I met Joe Saturday & transferred over the following: >>>>> >>>>> The LUG library... >>>>> >>>>> The paperwork for the LUG - incorporation, etc... >>>>> >>>>> The software inventory. >>>>> >>>>> I will bring all or most of this to the next Saturday meeting - on my >>>>> calendar that would be April 25, 2009. >>>>> >>>>> -be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I open this to discussion.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: Joe Josey >>>>>> Date: Apr 1, 2009 2:17pm >>>>>> Subject: CharLUG Library >>>>>> To: Bob Evans , joejosey@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, Bob. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Glad to see CharLUG is on the move again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have the CharLUG library consisting of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5 or 6 large totes of mostly dated books along with a cd/dvd >>>>>>> > collection > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> in a notebook. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am cleaning out my storage area and need to know if CharLUG wants >>>>>>> > the > >>>>>>> library books/media? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If so, please let me know where I can drop it off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe Josey >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 >>>>> >>>>> Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical >>>>> about it. >>>>> - Paul Tillich >>>>> >>>>> Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They >>>>> can't >>>>> touch you if you're out doing something interesting. >>>>> - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.43/2043 - Release Date: 04/06/09 > 06:22:00 > > > > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. 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Something we may want to continue especially if we wanted to try and give member-only rights to materials. Also it's a geeky artifact to carry around in your wallet to start a conversation. Being a card carrying member of CharLUG tells people your the life of the party. :) -- = Shem Hotep ("I go in peace") -Kevin D. Williams "Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. -- April 4, 1967 -- = Shem Hotep ("I go in peace") -Kevin D. Williams "Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. -- April 4, 1967 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090406/b147d294/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 16:55:58 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Tue Apr 7 02:30:41 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: [Fwd: 2009 - Palmetto Open Source Software Conference - Columbia, SC: You're Invited and Encouraged to Attend!] In-Reply-To: <49DBA9F5.4030107@gmail.com> References: <49DBA9F5.4030107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904071355u7b7a49a5me1eda954b366ce8b@mail.gmail.com> I'm signed up............... Thanks, Joe On 4/7/09, Joe Josey wrote: > > Bob, > Received this today, likely sent to webmaster@CharLUG. Thought it might > be of interest to CharLUG members but I'm apparently no longer on the > mailing list and can't seem to re-register. > FYI, > Joe > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Todd Lewis" > To: "Todd Lewis" > Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 22:52:30 -0400 > Subject: 2009 - Palmetto Open Source Software Conference - Columbia, SC: > You're Invited and Encouraged to Attend! > > Please plan now to attend the 2009 Palmetto Open Source Software Conferen= ce > (POSSCON) to be held in Columbia. This FREE event is the follow up to la= st > year's extremely succesful inaugural effort and the speaker line-up is > fantastic. In short, we feel it is a great way for both > developers/programmers and business people to spend Saturday, April 18 and > learn more about open source software. > > Be sure to register quickly as the venue does have a seating capacity. > We're not joking when we say space is filling up fast. Cutting registrat= ion > off soon is a real possibility. > > Complete details are below: > > ** > > *Register Now for POSSCON 2009 - Space is Limited and Filling Up Fast!* > > Register NOW for the 2009 Palmetto Open Source Software Conference. The > one-day event is scheduled for Saturday, April 18 and will take place in = the > University of South Carolina's Swearingen Engineering Center. Register a= nd > get directions online at *http://www.posscon.org/* > > The Conference is a follow-up to last year's extremely successful inaugur= al > effort and will feature national and local leaders in the Open Source and > Business fields speaking on numerous topics. In addition, a separate > Developer Track has been added to target Developers and Programmers > exclusively. Open Source languages such as Haskell, Erlang, and Clojure w= ill > be introduced and discussed. > > STUDENTS are especially encouraged to attend as many companies will be > represented. Resumes will be gathered and delivered to all companies. > > In addition, numerous door prizes and swag will be given away throughout > the day, including t-shirts, books, zip drives, and many other things. > > POSSCON is FREE to all attendees BUT everyone MUST register. Lunch and > snacks will be provided. > > To register and to get additional information go to * > http://www.posscon.org/* > > Conference Highlights: > > *Lee Congdon, Red Hat CIO live and in-person > *Keith Bergelt, CEO for Open Invention Network, to give an incredibly > important presentation - The Fight to Keep Open Source Open - and Why It's > Important > *Developer/Programmer track with presentations on Haskell, Erlang, Clojur= e, > and Open Source Development Tools for Microsoft Developers > *One hour presentation exclusively for businesses - Open Source > Alternatives to Proprietary Software - How You can Save Your Business Mon= ey > While Maintaining Functionality, Scalability, and Security > *Business Roundtable with local IT leaders discussing Open Source > experiences > *Networking opportunity for Students and public and private sector > entities > *Door Prizes and IT swag given away throughout the day > *NO CHARGE to attend - FREE lunch > > FOLLOW US ON TWITTER @ POSSCON! > > Daily Conference updates will be provided via Twitter. It's a great way to > stay informed so you're ready-to-go on Saturday, April 18. > > > > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090407/7ad0cc32/att= achment.htm From cmpilato at red-bean.com Wed Apr 8 12:22:35 2009 From: cmpilato at red-bean.com (C. Michael Pilato) Date: Tue Apr 7 21:57:20 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Python dev and Linux sysadmin jobs (some in Charlotte) Message-ID: <49DCCF4B.9000908@red-bean.com> Hey, CharLUGgers. Today a recruiter passed along some information about some Python developer openings, and included in her message was a note about a Linux Sysadmin job in the Charlotte area, too. Here's an excerpt from the mail I asked the recruiter (Nanci Cronk, whose contact infformation is at the bottom of this post) to send me: --------------------------- [...] These are all PERM/DIRECT-HIRE (not Contract) openings [...] Pennsylvania Open Source Architect/Developer: We?re seeking highly educated software engineering professionals (Masters or PhD in Computer Science preferred) with at least 3 years of professional and current hands-on programming experience in an open source, large-scale, distributed computing environment (strong Python, PHP, Perl, RoR, Java or other required). We?re seeking someone out of a scalable, high-volume environment (someone who has experience designing at least one large-scale system that has operated on greater than 20 servers). We want someone who has experience writing clean code ? using source control and change management tools, ideally in an Agile environment. And we need someone who has experience in and passion for solving giant ?puzzles?, perhaps someone with statistics or algorithms experience and who has a great attitude for teamwork and company spirit. If you enjoy working on high volume platforms, architecting solutions to large scale problems, writing clean code, working to build a company from the ground up then we may be interested. We offer our brilliant minds competitive compensation, EQUITY, a work-hard, play-hard, fun work environment with flexible hours, free food and a best-of-breed product. This is too good to pass up!! Charlotte, NC Python Backend Developer: Bachelors Degree in Computer Science (BSCS, MSCS only) from an accredited university is a MUST and 3+ years of commercial and current Python server-side development experience is required. You'll need to be able to point us to an actual, active and functioning link to your code in order to be considered for this opening. Strong database experience with PostgreSQL and strong XHTML web templating/Cheetah experience along with a strong passion for and understanding of Open Source and UNIX architecture. This position is in a Microsoft-free environment, developing on OSX and deploying on Linux. Our client is a steadily growing, Charlotte, NC-based commercial software development firm (they are a product company, not a consulting or services company). This is a not-for profit organization (an industry leading product, in use for over 10 years) - their product is doing good and making an impact on the world we live in. You'll be doing full life cycle development (analysis, design, architecture, development, testing, etc). And your creative ideas and input are not only valued here - they are required!! You won't be just a number here - we want and need your energy and your ideas to make our products even better! Additional opening in Charlotte for a UNIX/Linux Systems Administrator. If you have any buddies who are all about Linux System Admin (no Windows experience will be considered) please pass the word. Chicago, IL Python Developer: same as the Charlotte opening, but for this opening you MUST be local to Chicago. No relocation is provided. *** NOTE: Unfortunately, NO SPONSORSHIP candidates can be considered at this time. Some relocation assistance is available for the Pennsylvania and Charlotte openings. Unless you are a strong match to the above, with current hands-on Python/Open Source development and architecture experience and at minimum a Bachelor?s Degree, we won?t be able to reply to you immediately. We will, however, keep your resume on file as future openings arise if it is determined you are not a fit for the current openings. Nanci Cronk Account Executive/Executive Recruiter IT and Engineering Staffing Practice The Maven Group LLC 1.800.343.6612 ext 105 Toll-Free 1.469.361.2499 Dallas Direct Line nanci.cronk@themavengroup.com --------------------------- By the way, Nanci seems cool with having folks contact her about these jobs that she hasn't herself reached out to yet. -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ From Bob.Usher at skyboxsecurity.com Wed Apr 8 12:49:35 2009 From: Bob.Usher at skyboxsecurity.com (Bob Usher) Date: Tue Apr 7 22:24:16 2009 Subject: [Charlug] ISSA Security Summit April 14th Message-ID: <760BF15F6E3E794C91CE7913B314A0A707AC24B5F3@usex1.il.skyboxsecurity.com> /lurk Hi everybody, here's some info on the ISSA show next week if anyone's interested, Google is our Diamond sponsor and there's lots of Cloud Computing discussions going on. ---------------------- announcement ------------------------- ISSA Members and Interested Parties, Registration for our April 14 Security Summit in Charlotte is active! Please register an account on our website (www.charlotteissa.com) and then follow the steps to register for your specific classes. The cost is as follows: * ISSA Members: Free * Partner Organizations (ISACA, InfraGard, Students): $20 * All others: $40 A few things to note: * You may attend any class - registering only helps our group determine whether we need to put extra chairs into certain rooms, etc. * The registration cost includes food and drinks throughout the day. * Registration payments are made over an HTTPS connection to PayPal even though our site only uses HTTP. * We do not store your credit card details. * You may also register on-site on the day of the event, but registering in advance will save everyone time during check-in. * Please be on time - the first speaker will start promptly at 8:30am; be sure to arrive early enough to allow you to check-in first. Let me know if you have any questions, and look forward to seeing you there! ------------------------------------------------- On the who are you question: I'm a techie gone over to the dark side selling network security modeling software (shameless plug) which is very cool passive pen-testing analytics running on RHEL/mySql.... oh and mostly a list lurker here and board member of the Charlotte Metro ISSA. lurk -------------------------------------------- Bob Usher CISSP 704-399-1735 Bob.Usher@SkyboxSecurity.com www.SkyboxSecurity.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090408/81e9d4f5/attachment.htm From peter.senft at hpss.de Wed Apr 8 17:33:58 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Wed Apr 8 03:08:36 2009 Subject: [Charlug] LUGlunch - today - In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901080315x5350052ev1c03935c98bb1f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190901080315x5350052ev1c03935c98bb1f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DD1846.20501@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bob, Bob Evans wrote: > what: LUGLunch > where; Downtown Charlotte...Ivey's Bldg. - Chinese Buffet > when: 11;45 > why: not Google did not like your mail for some reason: Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.224]) by mail.charlug.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674695862 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so10175932rvb.59 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:15:53 -0800 (PST) I think nobody was able to join ;) cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ3RhG8C47DFW4ANMRAkE3AJ0Yqk9iy9pUcLvwZP7DpD6dpZLD8QCfYLxw u4k1PV5iydEbAJL+INl27iY= =rZzX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From peter.senft at hpss.de Wed Apr 8 17:36:53 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Wed Apr 8 03:11:30 2009 Subject: [Charlug] LUGlunch - today - In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190901080315x5350052ev1c03935c98bb1f2@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190901080315x5350052ev1c03935c98bb1f2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DD18F5.7050008@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bob, okay... I didn't check the date... it was even worse :)... thanks for the mails from Jan and Feb ;) Received: from mail.charlug.org (lan-171.enetx.net [64.132.44.171]) by mx.kundenserver.de (node=mxeu25) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKstg-1LreTD2Cvs-0009BR for peter.senft@hpss.de; Wed, 08 Apr 2009 22:34:03 +0200 Received: from charlugvm.charlug.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.charlug.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702A558AA; Wed, 8 Apr 2009 02:08:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: charlug@charlug.org Delivered-To: charlug@charlug.org Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.224]) by mail.charlug.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674695862 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so10175932rvb.59 for ; Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:15:53 -0800 (PST) cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ3Rj18C47DFW4ANMRAhY+AKDTNc2S8N8ryf5YUC1zVzxYhypC4gCeLkXM 4fje8fPENBCztE8lf/HpOjw= =wXsg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From blentzii at carolina.rr.com Fri Apr 10 08:20:08 2009 From: blentzii at carolina.rr.com (Bruce) Date: Thu Apr 9 17:54:39 2009 Subject: [Charlug] RE: the Linux books In-Reply-To: <49DD9200.3070801@gmail.com> References: <72CC10386C4048BCB6F08C004705D910@home3e2b87f190> <49DD9200.3070801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96345AFA044647F8A331DDDDCC00EFBA@home3e2b87f190> I've given this some thought... And I was wondering, kinda hoping, that you'd bring the books, materials, HERE!!!! To my, little, apartment, (I've got "wireless"-a Linksys system, little, but It works...may even be servicing people outside my apartment, lol)... And I'd like to "husband" the library...please feel free to pass this offer On to ... whomever ... WITH THE IDEA that: Maybe, MAYBE, the dudes/dudettes(I'm married: HAPPILY!!!!), might, MIGHT Come over and teach me LINUX!!!! As I understand, (from checkin' around), that it is, seems, to be Not "disappearing" but, rather, becoming the PROVINCE OF THE ENLIGHTENED...who, I figure, will be ... or will... RULE!!!! In the coming...age(????)... RULE!!!! As the LINXUS system seems to be becoming, (as this, poor "reader" Reads it), the backbone...or at least an ENDEMIC PART of THE INFORMATION AGE!!!! As I see it: I'd be sittin' on, (reading, edifying myself for), A GOLD MINE!!!! AND having yous guys come over to "grow!!!!" And I've got a good-enough laptop to (I Think) really take advantage of it!!!! (Please bring your own laptops -- as I find mine "sacrosanct," right?) I could also use a 160-200gig IDE (laptop) hard drive if anybody's got one, As I've been told it takes 100gigs (HDD) to load the Ubuntu OS, (completely)...but I'm not putting the arm on anybody: I'm fine as is... While I admit: I am so new to LINUX THAT I'M RAW(!!!!)--just thinking about it...I smell a GOLD MINE!!!! ...and everybody's threatenin' to "throw it in the dump" for (G's) sake!!!! What are we: MEN OR MICE???? (my mice, my "posse" (4) might take objection to this) I'd at least TAKE CARE OF the books/materials!!!! EVEN THOUGH I'M JAMMED FOR SPACE!!!! Disadvantages?: I've been called "crazy," (and worse)...but I kept "my act" clean!!!! (and am the original "Question Authority" guy -- which may explain a lot!!!!)('am currently CONTESTING "subjugation" (with mind-blowing "treatments" -- with doctor's knowledge -- if not outright "consent.") There: There are (ALL) my "skeletons" in the closet. Advantages: I am so friggin' "HONEST" and "LOYAL" and "CIRCUMSPECT," etc., That (while I was "nuts"), I was a (promoted) security guard for over 2 1/2 YEARS!!!! (and helped set up our small company's "Dipatch" (co-ordinating with, then, CPC, now CMPD's interactions with those activities). (AnD it was (blank) HARD!!!!) This would be a piece of cake: "Librarian"????!!!! And "Student"????...WE've even got a (good) security system in this building, which means the books/materials/(heck:the people) WOULD BE SAFE!!!! (We're the best-kept secret in Charlotte-and I'd appreciate it if you guys'd maintain that.) Maybe I'm (you'd consider me) "dumb as a bunch of rocks," but I exempted the first math requirement and passed Calculus at UNC-CH based on What I learned in prep-school!!!! (a small, local, now-bankrupt, (too "liberal????" attempt at education)... . I've tried to (here) "vette" myself...as well as provide a venue for (what I would consider to be "LIFE" -- a-la the "salons" of Gertrude Stein/Ernest Hemingway/Picasso/gourmands/intellectuals of The West Bank (of the Seine!!!! PARIS!!!!) where meaningful discussions took place, intelligent FREEDOM!!!! And I'm BEGGING yous guys to "come around!!!!" THIS PLACE IS PERFECT!!!! I could probably set up "BOOKSHELVES" and I have enough couch-space, etc., for a (stuffed-in) TWENTY (people at a time)... Please PLEASE DON'T PASS ME BY!!!! DEAR MR. EVANS: PLEASE send to charlug! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Evans [mailto:bobevans19@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:13 AM To: Bruce Subject: Re: the Linux books Bruce wrote: > > Dear Mr. Evans, > > If you'd bring the books to the next meeting, > > Saturday? > > I'd like to pick them up-I'd be willing to loan them out to > > Other members, gladly. > > --OK? > > --Bruce Lentz II > > (704)335-0851 - center city, Charlotte > > Q: How many books are there, as I only can "backpack" a (large) bunch > > Of them. > > --Thanks for reading, > > --B > Bruce There are seven large plastic containers full of books. I would guess there are 300-400 titles. Might want a bigger back pack! -be No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.48/2048 - Release Date: 04/08/09 19:02:00 From blentzii at carolina.rr.com Fri Apr 10 08:24:34 2009 From: blentzii at carolina.rr.com (Bruce) Date: Thu Apr 9 17:59:05 2009 Subject: FW: [Charlug] RE: the Linux books Message-ID: <65718A939F9A444EAD66FF413CB5B150@home3e2b87f190> Dear Gentleman/Gentleladies, PLEASE DON'T PASS ME BY: I OFFER A VENUE FOR US ALL: -Bruce Lentz II Aka: Saltydog -----Original Message----- From: charlug-bounces@charlug.org [mailto:charlug-bounces@charlug.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:20 AM To: 'Bob Evans' Cc: charlug@charlug.org Subject: [Charlug] RE: the Linux books I've given this some thought... And I was wondering, kinda hoping, that you'd bring the books, materials, HERE!!!! To my, little, apartment, (I've got "wireless"-a Linksys system, little, but It works...may even be servicing people outside my apartment, lol)... And I'd like to "husband" the library...please feel free to pass this offer On to ... whomever ... WITH THE IDEA that: Maybe, MAYBE, the dudes/dudettes(I'm married: HAPPILY!!!!), might, MIGHT Come over and teach me LINUX!!!! As I understand, (from checkin' around), that it is, seems, to be Not "disappearing" but, rather, becoming the PROVINCE OF THE ENLIGHTENED...who, I figure, will be ... or will... RULE!!!! In the coming...age(????)... RULE!!!! As the LINXUS system seems to be becoming, (as this, poor "reader" Reads it), the backbone...or at least an ENDEMIC PART of THE INFORMATION AGE!!!! As I see it: I'd be sittin' on, (reading, edifying myself for), A GOLD MINE!!!! AND having yous guys come over to "grow!!!!" And I've got a good-enough laptop to (I Think) really take advantage of it!!!! (Please bring your own laptops -- as I find mine "sacrosanct," right?) I could also use a 160-200gig IDE (laptop) hard drive if anybody's got one, As I've been told it takes 100gigs (HDD) to load the Ubuntu OS, (completely)...but I'm not putting the arm on anybody: I'm fine as is... While I admit: I am so new to LINUX THAT I'M RAW(!!!!)--just thinking about it...I smell a GOLD MINE!!!! ...and everybody's threatenin' to "throw it in the dump" for (G's) sake!!!! What are we: MEN OR MICE???? (my mice, my "posse" (4) might take objection to this) I'd at least TAKE CARE OF the books/materials!!!! EVEN THOUGH I'M JAMMED FOR SPACE!!!! Disadvantages?: I've been called "crazy," (and worse)...but I kept "my act" clean!!!! (and am the original "Question Authority" guy -- which may explain a lot!!!!)('am currently CONTESTING "subjugation" (with mind-blowing "treatments" -- with doctor's knowledge -- if not outright "consent.") There: There are (ALL) my "skeletons" in the closet. Advantages: I am so friggin' "HONEST" and "LOYAL" and "CIRCUMSPECT," etc., That (while I was "nuts"), I was a (promoted) security guard for over 2 1/2 YEARS!!!! (and helped set up our small company's "Dipatch" (co-ordinating with, then, CPC, now CMPD's interactions with those activities). (AnD it was (blank) HARD!!!!) This would be a piece of cake: "Librarian"????!!!! And "Student"????...WE've even got a (good) security system in this building, which means the books/materials/(heck:the people) WOULD BE SAFE!!!! (We're the best-kept secret in Charlotte-and I'd appreciate it if you guys'd maintain that.) Maybe I'm (you'd consider me) "dumb as a bunch of rocks," but I exempted the first math requirement and passed Calculus at UNC-CH based on What I learned in prep-school!!!! (a small, local, now-bankrupt, (too "liberal????" attempt at education)... . I've tried to (here) "vette" myself...as well as provide a venue for (what I would consider to be "LIFE" -- a-la the "salons" of Gertrude Stein/Ernest Hemingway/Picasso/gourmands/intellectuals of The West Bank (of the Seine!!!! PARIS!!!!) where meaningful discussions took place, intelligent FREEDOM!!!! And I'm BEGGING yous guys to "come around!!!!" THIS PLACE IS PERFECT!!!! I could probably set up "BOOKSHELVES" and I have enough couch-space, etc., for a (stuffed-in) TWENTY (people at a time)... Please PLEASE DON'T PASS ME BY!!!! DEAR MR. EVANS: PLEASE send to charlug! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Evans [mailto:bobevans19@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:13 AM To: Bruce Subject: Re: the Linux books Bruce wrote: > > Dear Mr. Evans, > > If you'd bring the books to the next meeting, > > Saturday? > > I'd like to pick them up-I'd be willing to loan them out to > > Other members, gladly. > > --OK? > > --Bruce Lentz II > > (704)335-0851 - center city, Charlotte > > Q: How many books are there, as I only can "backpack" a (large) bunch > > Of them. > > --Thanks for reading, > > --B > Bruce There are seven large plastic containers full of books. I would guess there are 300-400 titles. Might want a bigger back pack! -be No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.48/2048 - Release Date: 04/08/09 19:02:00 _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.51/2052 - Release Date: 04/10/09 06:39:00 From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 10:18:32 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Thu Apr 9 19:53:06 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: the Linux books In-Reply-To: <96345AFA044647F8A331DDDDCC00EFBA@home3e2b87f190> References: <72CC10386C4048BCB6F08C004705D910@home3e2b87f190> <49DD9200.3070801@gmail.com> <96345AFA044647F8A331DDDDCC00EFBA@home3e2b87f190> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904100718i4bf49ca6tfe843a5e5de450d7@mail.gmail.com> I am ok with this... On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Bruce wrote: > I've given this some thought... And I was wondering, kinda hoping, that > you'd bring the books, materials, HERE!!!! > To my, little, apartment, (I've got "wireless"-a Linksys system, little, > but > It works...may even be servicing people outside my apartment, lol)... > And I'd like to "husband" the library...please feel free to pass this off= er > On to ... whomever ... > WITH THE IDEA that: > Maybe, MAYBE, the dudes/dudettes(I'm married: HAPPILY!!!!), might, MIGHT > Come over and teach me LINUX!!!! > As I understand, (from checkin' around), that it is, seems, to be > Not "disappearing" but, rather, becoming the > PROVINCE OF THE ENLIGHTENED...who, I figure, will be ... or will... > RULE!!!! In the coming...age(????)... > RULE!!!! As the LINXUS system seems to be becoming, (as this, poor "reade= r" > Reads it), the backbone...or at least an ENDEMIC PART of THE INFORMATION > AGE!!!! > As I see it: I'd be sittin' on, (reading, edifying myself for), > A GOLD MINE!!!! AND having yous guys come over to "grow!!!!" > And I've got a good-enough laptop to (I Think) really take advantage of > it!!!! (Please bring your own laptops -- as I find mine "sacrosanct," > right?) > I could also use a 160-200gig IDE (laptop) hard drive if anybody's got on= e, > As I've been told it takes 100gigs (HDD) to load the Ubuntu OS, > (completely)...but I'm not putting the arm on anybody: I'm fine as is... > While I admit: I am so new to LINUX THAT I'M RAW(!!!!)--just thinking abo= ut > it...I smell a GOLD MINE!!!! > ...and everybody's threatenin' to "throw it in the dump" for (G's) sake!!= !! > What are we: MEN OR MICE???? (my mice, my "posse" (4) might take objection > to this) > I'd at least TAKE CARE OF the books/materials!!!! > EVEN THOUGH I'M JAMMED FOR SPACE!!!! > Disadvantages?: I've been called "crazy," (and worse)...but I kept "my ac= t" > clean!!!! (and am the original "Question Authority" guy -- which may > explain > a lot!!!!)('am currently CONTESTING "subjugation" (with mind-blowing > "treatments" -- with doctor's knowledge -- if not outright "consent.") > There: There are (ALL) my "skeletons" in the closet. > Advantages: I am so friggin' "HONEST" and "LOYAL" and "CIRCUMSPECT," etc., > That (while I was "nuts"), I was a (promoted) security guard for over 2 1= /2 > YEARS!!!! (and helped set up our small company's "Dipatch" (co-ordinating > with, then, CPC, now CMPD's interactions with those activities). > (AnD it was (blank) HARD!!!!) > This would be a piece of cake: "Librarian"????!!!! > And "Student"????...WE've even got a (good) security system in this > building, which means the books/materials/(heck:the people) WOULD BE > SAFE!!!! (We're the best-kept secret in Charlotte-and I'd appreciate it if > you guys'd maintain that.) > Maybe I'm (you'd consider me) "dumb as a bunch of rocks," but > I exempted the first math requirement and passed Calculus at UNC-CH based > on > What I learned in prep-school!!!! (a small, local, now-bankrupt, (too > "liberal????" attempt at education)... . > I've tried to (here) "vette" myself...as well as provide a venue for (what > I > would consider to be "LIFE" -- a-la the "salons" of Gertrude Stein/Ernest > Hemingway/Picasso/gourmands/intellectuals of The West Bank (of the > Seine!!!! > PARIS!!!!) where meaningful discussions took place, intelligent FREEDOM!!= !! > And I'm BEGGING yous guys to "come around!!!!" > THIS PLACE IS PERFECT!!!! I could probably set up "BOOKSHELVES" and I have > enough couch-space, etc., for a (stuffed-in) TWENTY (people at a time)... > > > Please PLEASE DON'T PASS ME BY!!!! DEAR MR. EVANS: PLEASE send to charlug! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Evans [mailto:bobevans19@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:13 AM > To: Bruce > Subject: Re: the Linux books > > Bruce wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Evans, > > > > If you'd bring the books to the next meeting, > > > > Saturday? > > > > I'd like to pick them up-I'd be willing to loan them out to > > > > Other members, gladly. > > > > --OK? > > > > --Bruce Lentz II > > > > (704)335-0851 - center city, Charlotte > > > > Q: How many books are there, as I only can "backpack" a (large) bunch > > > > Of them. > > > > --Thanks for reading, > > > > --B > > > Bruce > > There are seven large plastic containers full of books. I would guess > there are 300-400 titles. > Might want a bigger back pack! > > -be > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.48/2048 - Release Date: 04/08/09 > 19:02:00 > > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090410/dae48d86/att= achment.htm From blentzii at carolina.rr.com Fri Apr 10 12:41:07 2009 From: blentzii at carolina.rr.com (Bruce) Date: Thu Apr 9 22:15:38 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Hey: Guys (Gals?) Message-ID: Gimme some feedback on whether or not y'all want a library, here???? I'm having second thoughts, as I'd like to take some extended vacations. .seriously. .I could at least "store" the stuff. .but I ran "come and go" "access" up the flagpole and there seems to be "no interest" I was hoping to make this a "hot-spot," in the Social sense.. .any last words???? --Salty'd dog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090410/377e590f/attachment-0001.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 16:37:30 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Apr 10 02:12:01 2009 Subject: [Charlug] POSSCON information... Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904101337i4eb5bdedga1132cfbcc3d09ad@mail.gmail.com> Don't miss the open source event of the Carolinas... POSSCON 2009 When: April 18, 2009 Where: 300 Main Street Columbia, South Carolina On the beautiful University of South Carolina campus. Free registration on the POSSCON web site! ! ! http://www.posscon.org Convoy will head out of Charlotte Saturday morning! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090410/a35b1021/att= achment.htm From hardyd0 at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 09:26:02 2009 From: hardyd0 at yahoo.com (Don Hardy) Date: Fri Apr 10 19:00:33 2009 Subject: [Charlug] EVO smart console In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904101337i4eb5bdedga1132cfbcc3d09ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190904101337i4eb5bdedga1132cfbcc3d09ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <726960.31586.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Folks, Was wondering if anyone on this group owns or has had any experience with the EVO smart console (http://www.evosmartconsole.com/)? Based on the feature set described on the website, it appears to be an interesting product worth investigation. I've been contemplating replacing my older Tivo box with a MythTv platform that is capable of doing HDTV. While doing research on how to build a MythTV box I ran accross the EVO website. -Don -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090411/d9e50962/attachment.htm From blentzii at carolina.rr.com Sat Apr 11 21:37:14 2009 From: blentzii at carolina.rr.com (Bruce) Date: Sat Apr 11 07:11:44 2009 Subject: FW: [Charlug] POSSCON information... Message-ID: <20595ABBAAA0415D91EE6903D9E97C70@home3e2b87f190> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 08:49:59 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sat Apr 11 18:24:26 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Hey: Guys (Gals?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904120549w508e7b4bke14e6c8c7fd7ebcc@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Bruce wrote: > Gimme some feedback on whether or not y=92all want a library, here???? > > > > I=92m having second thoughts, as I=92d like to take some extended vacatio= ns=85 > > > > =85seriously=85 > > > > =85I could at least =93store=94 the stuff=85 > > > > =85but I ran =93come and go=94 =93access=94 up the flagpole and there see= ms to be =93no > interest=94 > > > > I was hoping to make this a =93hot-spot,=94 in the Social sense=85. > > > > =85any last words???? > > > > --Salty=92d dog > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > Bruce I gather from your note that you won't be needing for me to load up the book-mobile soon.......... +++ If it's just a matter of "storage", I can keep the seven(7) boxes of books in my garage. Note that I now have it down to seven boxes, or plastic tubs with strong lids, that Joe was so kind to provide. I did a quick once over of the contents of the eight(8) boxes that I picked up from Joe, and I was able to easily cull a box & a half of obviously worthless titles. These consisted of miscellaneous cr@p that may or may not have anything to do with IT... I am dumping these titles: - Windows NT related books. - Arcane programming books - Pascal, anyone? - Dummies books. - Solaris, Sun, HP-UX, AIX, etc, titles... If you want me to donae these to the local UNIX users group, I will... Otherwise... I will drop this tub at the loading dock of one of the PLCMC branches. They can run with them from that point. Most branches have their own dumpsters... +++ That leaves us with seven(7) boxes that will remain in my garage until I hear otherwise. -be -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090412/dd96ff83/att= achment.htm From blentzii at carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 12 13:16:57 2009 From: blentzii at carolina.rr.com (Bruce) Date: Sat Apr 11 22:51:24 2009 Subject: FW: [Charlug] Hey: Guys (Gals?) Message-ID: <212330D0C9654BF1873F84FD1CAF5342@home3e2b87f190> As far as "an open-library," I don't even HAVE a garage. --sorry -trying to get a job on craigslist Under Resumes blentzii@carolina.rr.com and not in computers-which SHOULD save the world or at least the good parts "We are all gods - so we better start acting like it!!!!" (punctuation, mine) "The Mother Earth News," (or was it "The Whole Earth Catalogue") circa: when???? _____ From: Bob Evans [mailto:bobevans19@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 8:50 AM To: Bruce Cc: charlug@charlug.org Subject: Re: [Charlug] Hey: Guys (Gals?) On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Bruce wrote: Gimme some feedback on whether or not y'all want a library, here???? I'm having second thoughts, as I'd like to take some extended vacations. .seriously. .I could at least "store" the stuff. .but I ran "come and go" "access" up the flagpole and there seems to be "no interest" I was hoping to make this a "hot-spot," in the Social sense.. .any last words???? --Salty'd dog _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug Bruce I gather from your note that you won't be needing for me to load up the book-mobile soon.......... +++ If it's just a matter of "storage", I can keep the seven(7) boxes of books in my garage. Note that I now have it down to seven boxes, or plastic tubs with strong lids, that Joe was so kind to provide. I did a quick once over of the contents of the eight(8) boxes that I picked up from Joe, and I was able to easily cull a box & a half of obviously worthless titles. These consisted of miscellaneous cr@p that may or may not have anything to do with IT... I am dumping these titles: * Windows NT related books. * Arcane programming books - Pascal, anyone? * Dummies books. * Solaris, Sun, HP-UX, AIX, etc, titles... If you want me to donae these to the local UNIX users group, I will... Otherwise... I will drop this tub at the loading dock of one of the PLCMC branches. They can run with them from that point. Most branches have their own dumpsters... +++ That leaves us with seven(7) boxes that will remain in my garage until I hear otherwise. -be -- http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.53/2054 - Release Date: 04/11/09 10:51:00 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090412/c68c2c74/attachment.htm From leam at reuel.net Sun Apr 12 15:28:21 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Apr 12 01:02:52 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Speaker for 25 Apr 09? Message-ID: <49E240D5.2060404@reuel.net> Bob said he might get a speaker, else Chip was up. Any firm plans to build enthusiasm on? Leam From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 03:45:57 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 12 13:20:22 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Speaker for 25 Apr 09? In-Reply-To: <49E240D5.2060404@reuel.net> References: <49E240D5.2060404@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904130045p1739972aw87a4343a2f2ba5eb@mail.gmail.com> We have a couple guest speakers coming up. I apologise for not having a firm speaker schedule. Dr. Hipp has agreed to speak at an upcoming meeting regarding his highly successful Free Software project - SQLite. (http://www.sqlite.org) Kevin Jones, from the UCLUG, has also agreed to educate us all on his project - Free Linux PC. (http://freelinuxpc.org/) Both of these guests are extremely busy so I have asked them to let us know when they can fit us into their schedules. I will keep the list updated as I firm up dates & people... ---------------------------- At this point I feel strongly that we should focus on a single monthly meeting. We currently meet on the fourth Saturday of the month, at the Levine Campus of Central Piedmont Community College. If we end up back downtown at the main CPCC campus, I'll let everyone know. At this point, we have nowhere to meet at the central campus, mainly due to construction... As to the Tuesday night meeting, I don't have the bandwidth to organize it. If Pierre or Pat want to head that up, be my guest. Obviously everyone can't meet on a Saturday morning. In theory we have enough members to support multiple monthly meetings. ----------------------------- I WILL bring ALL the library books to the next couple Saturday meetings. I will NOT be unloading them from the van, so we can wander out to the parking lot at the end of the meeting & do the library thing. MY PERSONAL GOAL is to disburse as many books as possible. It makes no sense to me that we have all these resources locked in a storage shed or (currently) my garage, with nobody using them... (Although my cat does enjoy sleeping on top of the stacks...) Thanks, -be -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090413/c8d61510/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Mon Apr 13 07:00:34 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Apr 12 16:35:04 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Speaker for 25 Apr 09? In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904130045p1739972aw87a4343a2f2ba5eb@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E240D5.2060404@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130045p1739972aw87a4343a2f2ba5eb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E31B52.3020100@reuel.net> At this point, I would guess Dr. Hipp and Kevin have not confirmed for the 25th? If that's the case can we give Chip a heads up so he has time to prepare? Leam Bob Evans wrote: > We have a couple guest speakers coming up. I apologise for not having a firm > speaker schedule. > > Dr. Hipp has agreed to speak at an upcoming meeting regarding his highly > successful Free Software project - SQLite. (http://www.sqlite.org) > > Kevin Jones, from the UCLUG, has also agreed to educate us all on his > project - Free Linux PC. (http://freelinuxpc.org/) > > Both of these guests are extremely busy so I have asked them to let us know > when they can fit us into their schedules. > I will keep the list updated as I firm up dates & people... > > ---------------------------- From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 07:35:43 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 12 17:10:08 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Speaker for 25 Apr 09? In-Reply-To: <49E31B52.3020100@reuel.net> References: <49E240D5.2060404@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130045p1739972aw87a4343a2f2ba5eb@mail.gmail.com> <49E31B52.3020100@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904130435u5bd7cff5h30c9f5a4f6f8b1e9@mail.gmail.com> I agree... On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > At this point, I would guess Dr. Hipp and Kevin have not confirmed for the > 25th? If that's the case can we give Chip a heads up so he has time to > prepare? > > Leam > > > > Bob Evans wrote: > >> We have a couple guest speakers coming up. I apologise for not having a >> firm >> speaker schedule. >> >> Dr. Hipp has agreed to speak at an upcoming meeting regarding his highly >> successful Free Software project - SQLite. (http://www.sqlite.org) >> >> Kevin Jones, from the UCLUG, has also agreed to educate us all on his >> project - Free Linux PC. (http://freelinuxpc.org/) >> >> Both of these guests are extremely busy so I have asked them to let us >> know >> when they can fit us into their schedules. >> I will keep the list updated as I firm up dates & people... >> >> ---------------------------- >> > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090413/173159c6/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 07:55:26 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 12 17:29:59 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Speaker for 25 Apr 09? In-Reply-To: References: <49E240D5.2060404@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130045p1739972aw87a4343a2f2ba5eb@mail.gmail.com> <49E31B52.3020100@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904130455x48d19cf5ge3268edc67cf33cd@mail.gmail.com> Super. We meet at the Levine Campus of CPCC, located off of Independence Blvd & I-485. Meetings run from 10AM - 1PM -ish. As you approach the main entrance to the Levine I building, we are actually located down one floor, in the food court. Follow the signs to "Subway". We generally have Internet connectivity. There are very few students on campus on Saturdays, and the food court is closed. I mention this because there is no place to get *coffee*. Soft drinks & junk food machines abound. See you on the 25th. Hoping everyone can make it to this meeting.... -be On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:40 AM, D. Richard Hipp wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:00 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > > At this point, I would guess Dr. Hipp and Kevin have not confirmed for t= he >> 25th? If that's the case can we give Chip a heads up so he has time to >> prepare? >> >> > I can talk on April 25, if you like. > > > D. Richard Hipp > drh@hwaci.com > > > > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090413/c91dfe06/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 08:31:01 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 12 18:05:25 2009 Subject: [FLPC] Re: [Charlug] Speaker for 25 Apr 09? In-Reply-To: References: <49E240D5.2060404@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130045p1739972aw87a4343a2f2ba5eb@mail.gmail.com> <49E31B52.3020100@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130455x48d19cf5ge3268edc67cf33cd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904130531t373416f6t45635b93e214c830@mail.gmail.com> Dr, Hipp - We can be very flexible on the meeting times... If after lunch works better for you, I propose that we extend the meeting hours accordingly. Chip your presentation is more of a lab, right? We can do that from 10-12. Short break at lunchtime. Dr. Hipp in the afternoon... On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:02 AM, D. Richard Hipp wrote: > > > On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > > > Super. > > > > We meet at the Levine Campus of CPCC, located off of Independence > > Blvd & I-485. > > > > Meetings run from 10AM - 1PM -ish. > > Oops. I had remembered that the meetings were in the afternoon. I > have a conflict in the morning. Sorry :-( > > > D. Richard Hipp > drh@hwaci.com > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "UCLUG-FLPC" group. > To post to this group, send email to uclug-flpc@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > uclug-flpc+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/uclug-flpc?hl=3Den > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Richard Hipp wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > > Dr, Hipp - >> >> We can be very flexible on the meeting times... >> >> If after lunch works better for you, I propose that we extend the meeting >> hours accordingly. >> >> Chip your presentation is more of a lab, right? >> We can do that from 10-12. >> Short break at lunchtime. >> Dr. Hipp in the afternoon... >> > > > I can support that schedule. Please let me know if this is what you want > to do. > > > > D. Richard Hipp > drh@hwaci.com > > > > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090413/0c7006a6/att= achment-0001.htm From leam at reuel.net Tue Apr 14 06:18:20 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Mon Apr 13 15:52:49 2009 Subject: [FLPC] Re: [Charlug] Speaker for 25 Apr 09? In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904130547i1043fa5kbc29a1469be17f3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E240D5.2060404@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130045p1739972aw87a4343a2f2ba5eb@mail.gmail.com> <49E31B52.3020100@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130455x48d19cf5ge3268edc67cf33cd@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904130531t373416f6t45635b93e214c830@mail.gmail.com> <2B9059DD-EE1C-42BE-A18C-0623C13C2DB1@hwaci.com> <7c5cd1190904130547i1043fa5kbc29a1469be17f3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49E462EC.9040600@reuel.net> Um, have you thought about people's schedules? I'd like to give Dr. Hipp my fullest attention but if someone arbitrarily alters my known schedule it's a bit of a pain. Do one major talk, or the other. Don't push for a 5 hour meeting. If Dr. Hipp can make it at 1 pm then we should start at 12:45 with introductions, social blather, and getting our note pads ready. The RCHE-SG, if I remember correctly, discussed a 30 minute post meeting optional workshop. Or we could start at 12:00, whichever worked for Chip and the others. Leam Bob Evans wrote: > That will be the schedule for the April 25th meeting. I will update the > website to reflect the changes. > > Thanks, all... > > > -be > > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:42 AM, D. Richard Hipp wrote: > >> On Apr 13, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Bob Evans wrote: >> >> Dr, Hipp - >>> We can be very flexible on the meeting times... >>> >>> If after lunch works better for you, I propose that we extend the meeting >>> hours accordingly. >>> >>> Chip your presentation is more of a lab, right? >>> We can do that from 10-12. >>> Short break at lunchtime. >>> Dr. Hipp in the afternoon... >>> >> >> I can support that schedule. Please let me know if this is what you want >> to do. >> >> >> >> D. Richard Hipp >> drh@hwaci.com >> >> >> >> > > From bobevans19 at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 08:20:52 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Mon Apr 13 17:55:14 2009 Subject: [FLPC] Re: [Charlug] Speaker for 25 Apr 09? In-Reply-To: <49E462EC.9040600@reuel.net> References: <49E240D5.2060404@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130045p1739972aw87a4343a2f2ba5eb@mail.gmail.com> <49E31B52.3020100@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130455x48d19cf5ge3268edc67cf33cd@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904130531t373416f6t45635b93e214c830@mail.gmail.com> <2B9059DD-EE1C-42BE-A18C-0623C13C2DB1@hwaci.com> <7c5cd1190904130547i1043fa5kbc29a1469be17f3d@mail.gmail.com> <49E462EC.9040600@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904140520j5cc85857hb8ada96204f9d33a@mail.gmail.com> Leam et al Let me know if you want to change the meeting time(s) on the web site. I'll request a user ID update for you. If I took actions that went beyond my current role as unemployed club member, I apologize. Just one point that might clear up my choices. We have an unofficial agreement with the Levine CPCC administration that we will be meeting monthly in the food court. The length of the meeting is open ended, but the start time is not. Ten AM. IF YOU WANT to change this arrangement, be my guest. I would just note that they were very agreeable with me once I got in to meet them. It took approximately 6 hours of futzing around to get that 30 minute appointment. Sooooooo. I will be in the food court at 10 AM. If you want to participate in Chip's lab, that will work... If you want to stop by later, for Dr. Hipp's talk only, feel free. I further note that I stepped in when no one else felt the need, to keep the momentum alive for a LUG. I have recently accepted an out of town assignment, so my presence here will soon be minimal... Thanks, -be On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > Um, have you thought about people's schedules? I'd like to give Dr. Hipp = my > fullest attention but if someone arbitrarily alters my known schedule it'= s a > bit of a pain. > > Do one major talk, or the other. Don't push for a 5 hour meeting. If Dr. > Hipp can make it at 1 pm then we should start at 12:45 with introductions, > social blather, and getting our note pads ready. > > The RCHE-SG, if I remember correctly, discussed a 30 minute post meeting > optional workshop. Or we could start at 12:00, whichever worked for Chip = and > the others. > > Leam > > > Bob Evans wrote: > >> That will be the schedule for the April 25th meeting. I will update the >> website to reflect the changes. >> >> Thanks, all... >> >> >> -be >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:42 AM, D. Richard Hipp wrote: >> >> On Apr 13, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>> Dr, Hipp - >>> >>>> We can be very flexible on the meeting times... >>>> >>>> If after lunch works better for you, I propose that we extend the >>>> meeting >>>> hours accordingly. >>>> >>>> Chip your presentation is more of a lab, right? >>>> We can do that from 10-12. >>>> Short break at lunchtime. >>>> Dr. Hipp in the afternoon... >>>> >>>> >>> I can support that schedule. Please let me know if this is what you wa= nt >>> to do. >>> >>> >>> >>> D. Richard Hipp >>> drh@hwaci.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We've tried to bring to you the best speakers and open source information we possibly can. We sincerely hope you enjoy the conference and find it well worth your time. 2. Please invite friends and colleagues to join you at the conference. *T= he deadline to register is close-of-business THIS THURSDAY, APRIL 16.* On-line registration can be done at www.posscon.org 3. If you can't make it to the conference, please let us know immediately. We have limited seating and *a lot* of people registered. We also need an accurate count for lunches, etc. In addition to the above, please keep a few things in mind as you plan to join us in Columbia: 1. The conference will take place in the same location as last year - Amoco Hall in the Swearingen Engineering Center on USC's campus. The address is 300 Main Street, Columbia, SC. Signs will be posted around the building to help you to the event site. 2. Parking will be available around the Swearingen Center in metered and other spaces. Since it is Saturday, feeding meters will not be required. 3. Registration begins at 9 am and will run until 10 am. We encourage you to get there as early as possible, check in, and enjoy coffee/drinks and breakfast pastries as you network. 4. As you check in at the front table, you will be issued a name badge and a conference program. 5. The conference itself will begin promptly at 10 AM with a Welcome, Introductions, and the Keynote Address. *If at all possible, please try to be registered and in your seat by 10 am.* ** 6. The conference is FREE and lunch will be provided. We've tried to make it possible for everyone to attend. 7. Wireless internet access will be available in and around Amoco Hall. Feel free to bring a laptop. 8. We want and are encouraging as many people as possible to attend. Please take a minute and invite a friend or colleague to join you. There is no marketing tactic in the world more powerful than an endorsement from someone you trust, and we realize this. In addition, what better way to spend a Saturday?? 9. Please note there are two distinct tracks this year - one for business-oriented attendees and one for developers/programmers. We've tried to expand our focus a little and make it appealing to everyone. If you have any questions this week as we get closer to the event, please contact us directly at (803) 240-1213. We want you to leave USC's campus feeling like you got something out of the experience. *Also, please follow us on Twitter @ POSSCON. * Thanks again for registering for POSSCON 2009! www.posscon.org -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090415/6b61a941/att= achment.htm From hardyd0 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 07:51:49 2009 From: hardyd0 at yahoo.com (Don Hardy) Date: Tue Apr 14 17:26:07 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Fwd: POSSCON 2009 this Saturday, April 18 - Please read these reminders! In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904150346q723e2576y41c8e7af06142bd7@mail.gmail.com> References: <200904150404.n3F44hXG022349@host24.the-web-host.com> <7c5cd1190904150346q723e2576y41c8e7af06142bd7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <253315.4286.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Anyone interested in carpooling to POSSCON? I'm all set to attend this Saturday and can comfortably fit three passengers in my Jeep Cherokee. Since it is estimated to be a 2 hour drive, I will be leaving my house in Matthews at 7 am. Hit me up at this email address or call me at 704-517-6285 if you are interested in carpooling this Saturday. Thanks, Don ________________________________ From: Bob Evans To: Charlotte Linux User Group ; uclug-flpc@googlegroups.com; Upstate Carolina Linux Users Group Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:46:41 AM Subject: [Charlug] Fwd: POSSCON 2009 this Saturday, April 18 - Please read these reminders! Hope to see you all in Columbia,,, ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Todd Lewis Date: Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:26 PM Subject: POSSCON 2009 this Saturday, April 18 - Please read these reminders! To: Todd Lewis Three quick things for all of you that have registered for POSSCON 2009: 1. On behalf of the Conference Committee, thank you very much for registeringand for your attendance. We've tried to bring to you the best speakers and open source information we possibly can. We sincerely hope you enjoy the conference and find it well worth your time. 2. Please invite friends and colleagues to join you at the conference. The deadline to register is close-of-business THIS THURSDAY, APRIL 16. On-line registration can be done at www.posscon.org 3. If you can't make it to the conference, please let us know immediately. We have limited seating and a lot of people registered. We also need an accurate count for lunches, etc. In addition to the above, please keep a few things in mindas you plan to join us in Columbia: 1. The conference will take place in the same location as last year - Amoco Hall in the Swearingen Engineering Center on USC's campus. The address is 300 Main Street, Columbia, SC. Signs will be posted around the building to help you to the event site. 2. Parking will be available around the Swearingen Center in metered and other spaces. Since it is Saturday, feeding meters will not be required. 3. Registration begins at 9 am and will run until 10 am. We encourage you to get there as early as possible, check in, and enjoy coffee/drinks and breakfast pastries as you network. 4. As you check in at the front table, you will be issued a name badge and a conference program. 5. The conference itself will begin promptly at 10 AM with a Welcome, Introductions, and the Keynote Address. If at all possible, please try to be registered and in your seat by 10 am. 6. The conference is FREE and lunch will be provided. We've tried to make it possible for everyone to attend. 7. Wireless internet access will be available in and around Amoco Hall. Feel free to bring a laptop. 8. We want and are encouraging as many people as possible to attend. Please take a minute and invite a friend or colleague to join you. There is no marketing tactic in the world more powerful than an endorsement from someone you trust, and we realize this. In addition, what better way to spend a Saturday?? 9. Please note there are two distinct tracks this year - one for business-oriented attendees and one for developers/programmers. We've tried to expand our focus a little and make it appealing to everyone. If you have any questions this week as we get closer to the event, please contact us directly at (803) 240-1213. We want you to leave USC's campus feeling like you got something out of the experience. Also, please follow us on Twitter @ POSSCON. Thanks again for registering for POSSCON 2009! www.posscon.org -- http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical about it. - Paul Tillich Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fedora 11 is due out near the end of May, hope to have some talking points and tech specs for you before the April meeting. I'll test it out and let you know what I think, if you're on the fence about it. Leam Don Hardy wrote: > Anyone interested in carpooling to POSSCON? I'm all set to attend > this Saturday and can comfortably fit three passengers in my Jeep > Cherokee. Since it is estimated to be a 2 hour drive, I will be > leaving my house in Matthews at 7 am. > > Hit me up at this email address or call me at 704-517-6285 if you are > interested in carpooling this Saturday. > > Thanks, Don > > From chipper at llamas.net Wed Apr 15 13:50:26 2009 From: chipper at llamas.net (Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio) Date: Tue Apr 14 23:24:53 2009 Subject: [FLPC] Re: [Charlug] Speaker for 25 Apr 09? In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904130531t373416f6t45635b93e214c830@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E240D5.2060404@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130045p1739972aw87a4343a2f2ba5eb@mail.gmail.com> <49E31B52.3020100@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130455x48d19cf5ge3268edc67cf33cd@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904130531t373416f6t45635b93e214c830@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090415175026.GA20658@chipsworld.llamas.net> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 08:31:01AM -0400, Bob Evans wrote: > Dr, Hipp - > > We can be very flexible on the meeting times... > > If after lunch works better for you, I propose that we extend the meeting > hours accordingly. > > Chip your presentation is more of a lab, right? > We can do that from 10-12. > Short break at lunchtime. > Dr. Hipp in the afternoon... > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:02 AM, D. Richard Hipp <[1]drh@hwaci.com> wrote: > > On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > > > Super. > > > > We meet at the Levine Campus of CPCC, located off of Independence > > Blvd & I-485. > > > > Meetings run from 10AM - 1PM -ish. > > Oops. I had remembered that the meetings were in the afternoon. I > have a conflict in the morning. Sorry :-( > > D. Richard Hipp > I have started the wiki pages on my site for the Nagios and the RHCE Sessions, Please email me directly to get an account if you intend to assist in the development of the training guides. http://www.llamas.net/index.php/CharLUG_Learning Thanks, Chip From blentzii at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 15 14:05:54 2009 From: blentzii at carolina.rr.com (Bruce) Date: Tue Apr 14 23:40:08 2009 Subject: [Charlug] no food stamps, now Message-ID: <21F89F0F41134B899A60BD82C22207D7@home3e2b87f190> 'sorry we can't go.no food stamps..slightly broke 'keep the faith Follow your leaders: They're there for a reason-(sorry, my paraphrase) N.T. : The Bible!!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Feel free to drop by for a cup of coffee, (or tea), (I hope.) -Bruce Lentz II, aka: Saltydog -----Original Message----- From: charlug-bounces@charlug.org [mailto:charlug-bounces@charlug.org] On Behalf Of Leam Hall Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:12 AM To: charlug@charlug.org Subject: Re: [Charlug] Fwd: POSSCON 2009 this Saturday, April 18 - Pleaseread these reminders! I'll be driving my lonesome down as I have other stuff to take care of afterwards, and I'm such an introvert that it'd take me the entire trip just to unwind enough to be civil. :) For them that care, Fedora's Dave Nalley and Greg DeKoenigsberg will attend as well. There should be a Fedora booth and I'll be hanging out there while not attending the business track stuff. Fedora 11 is due out near the end of May, hope to have some talking points and tech specs for you before the April meeting. I'll test it out and let you know what I think, if you're on the fence about it. Leam Don Hardy wrote: > Anyone interested in carpooling to POSSCON? I'm all set to attend > this Saturday and can comfortably fit three passengers in my Jeep > Cherokee. Since it is estimated to be a 2 hour drive, I will be > leaving my house in Matthews at 7 am. > > Hit me up at this email address or call me at 704-517-6285 if you are > interested in carpooling this Saturday. > > Thanks, Don > > _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.57/2060 - Release Date: 04/15/09 06:34:00 From blentzii at carolina.rr.com Wed Apr 15 14:14:36 2009 From: blentzii at carolina.rr.com (Bruce) Date: Tue Apr 14 23:48:49 2009 Subject: [Charlug] FW: no food stamps, now Message-ID: <0A9F3095F16A4994B92DA06FD913DC34@home3e2b87f190> _____ From: Bruce [mailto:blentzii@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 2:06 PM To: 'hardy0@yahoo.com' Cc: 'charlug@charlug.org' Subject: no food stamps, now 'sorry we can't go.no food stamps..slightly broke 'keep the faith Follow your leaders: They're there for a reason-(sorry, my paraphrase) N.T. : The Bible!!!! (It's a personal problem(s).) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The conference itself will start promptly at 10:00 with Introductions and Lee Congdon's Keynote Address will begin at 10:15. We ask that everyone be registered and seated by 10:00 am. If you have questions about the conference or need anything before tomorrow, please drop us an email or call us directly at 803-240-1213. For additional information or directions to the event site please visit us online at www.posscon.org. Thanks again! -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090417/53727da4/att= achment.htm From blentzii at carolina.rr.com Sat Apr 18 09:14:58 2009 From: blentzii at carolina.rr.com (Bruce) Date: Fri Apr 17 18:49:00 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Need a ride Message-ID: To Whom, (y'all), I seem to have not made arrangements to get to the meeting, today - as in soon!!!! 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I felt it was a worthwhile event. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Evans" To: "Charlotte Linux User Group" Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:16:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Charlug] posscon So... did anyone go to this thing? -- http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 _______________________________________________ CharLUG mailing list CharLUG@charlug.org http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 11:40:46 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sat Apr 18 21:14:53 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: <556981.78968.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <556981.78968.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904190840l783f7b15wfebe1f2bc2e574cf@mail.gmail.com> Sorry I missed it. Something came up - as usual... On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Don Hardy wrote: > > Yep, there was three of us (Dennis, Liam, and myself) from the charlug th= at > attended. I felt it was a worthwhile event. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Evans" > To: "Charlotte Linux User Group" > Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 8:16:55 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [Charlug] posscon > > > So... did anyone go to this thing? > > > > -- > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 > > > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090419/69c903f9/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 19:08:35 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 19 04:42:43 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Re: Tomcat book? In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904191527ra56c877p209e08955f4fe6aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EBA09F.9010507@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904191514g3f9454abm44b800599a12499e@mail.gmail.com> <49EBA334.3080507@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904191527ra56c877p209e08955f4fe6aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904191608l3cefd124ua21e481900051bd3@mail.gmail.com> I don't see it. A bunch of Java titles are out & about, so if you really need it, maybe blast a note to the charlug list... On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Bob Evans wrote: > I'll dive in after supper. All the books are boxed up now, more or less by > topics... > > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Leam Hall wrote: > >> That works but if the book is in the pile I brought you I'd prefer to re= ad >> print. My eyes can't take that much staring at a screen. If you can take= a >> minute and just check the stack I brought over it'd save me a few dollar= s. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Leam >> >> >> Bob Evans wrote: >> >>> One of the benefits of being a programming nomad is the ability to >>> acquire a >>> wallet full of library cards. >>> >>> If you can use this resource, be my "guest". >>> >>> >>> Universal Resource Locator: >>> >>> http://guinan.richland.lib.sc.us/rpa/webauth.exe?rs=3DSafari >>> >>> User Id: >>> >>> 20080100384534 >>> >>> Pin: >>> >>> 7166 >>> >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> The "bookmarks" won't work too well, as I have shared this with the >>> planet >>> earth... >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> >>> >>> -be >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Leam Hall wrote: >>> >>> Did I give you the O'Reilly Tomcat book? Or is there one in the boxes? >>>> If >>>> you think there is, let me know. I need one fairly quickly. >>>> >>>> Leam >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > > > -- > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 > > I never married because there was no need. I have three pets at home which > answer the same purpose as a husband. I have a dog which growls every > morning, a parrot which swears all afternoon and a cat that comes home la= te > at night. > > > Marie Corelli > > > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 I never married because there was no need. I have three pets at home which answer the same purpose as a husband. I have a dog which growls every morning, a parrot which swears all afternoon and a cat that comes home late at night. Marie Corelli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090419/cd9bfcd9/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Sun Apr 19 19:29:56 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Apr 19 05:04:16 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Tomcat book? Message-ID: <49EBB3F4.1000008@reuel.net> Anyone have a Tomcat book I can borrow? Let me know, I'm in a time crunch. Leam From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 05:46:49 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 19 15:20:54 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Article: Have we entered the post OS era? Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904200246t15364eb5v50db5887f10842e6@mail.gmail.com> I tend to agree with this POV a little more every day... http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=3D1484&tag=3Dnl.e101 -be -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 I never married because there was no need. I have three pets at home which answer the same purpose as a husband. I have a dog which growls every morning, a parrot which swears all afternoon and a cat that comes home late at night. Marie Corelli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090420/90eab7fa/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Mon Apr 20 06:57:12 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Apr 19 16:31:31 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EC5508.7000306@reuel.net> Well... After being slightly numbed by all the "thank yous" up front I started to nod during the first keynote. The business track I attended in the AM was aimed at "why is Open Source okay". True material but not what I had been hoping for. Spent a little time handing out swag for Fedora, answering questions and doing a little bit of encouraging. Joined in a conversation helping a newbie over lunch, and that was about it. Hopefully the developers track was more useful to the attendees. After musing, munching, and going over the remaining schedule I put time with family over time listening to stuff I already knew. I'd love to hear from businesses that are significantly open source and how they integrate everything together. After so many years in the enterprise level game and seeing so many millions of dollars wasted on tools that don't interoperate I'd like to see someone speak about real business use of open source and real cost savings. One speaker seemed happy that the use of a dozen or so open source tools saved $100,000. Great! I've doubled that with a few lines of Bourne shell in just the right spot. Hopefully the June conference is better. Leam Bob Evans wrote: > So... did anyone go to this thing? > From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 07:42:38 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 19 17:16:44 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: <49EC5508.7000306@reuel.net> References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> <49EC5508.7000306@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904200442g20a7e9b3sa0d5b7e394db6b4a@mail.gmail.com> I actually talked myself out of going, opting for family time. I was IN THE PARKING LOT when I realized that this was not something I really care about any more..... Looking over the sponsors,it was essentially a Red Hat event. I'm not anti-Red Hat. I just don't see them being the future of software, open or otherwise. They've certainly had a degree of success courtesy of the open source world, so I guess they feel obligated to hold these things... It WAS a nice drive, though. And a beautiful day... -be On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > Well... > > After being slightly numbed by all the "thank yous" up front I started to > nod during the first keynote. The business track I attended in the AM was > aimed at "why is Open Source okay". True material but not what I had been > hoping for. > > Spent a little time handing out swag for Fedora, answering questions and > doing a little bit of encouraging. Joined in a conversation helping a new= bie > over lunch, and that was about it. Hopefully the developers track was more > useful to the attendees. After musing, munching, and going over the > remaining schedule I put time with family over time listening to stuff I > already knew. > > I'd love to hear from businesses that are significantly open source and h= ow > they integrate everything together. After so many years in the enterprise > level game and seeing so many millions of dollars wasted on tools that do= n't > interoperate I'd like to see someone speak about real business use of open > source and real cost savings. One speaker seemed happy that the use of a > dozen or so open source tools saved $100,000. Great! I've doubled that wi= th > a few lines of Bourne shell in just the right spot. > > Hopefully the June conference is better. > > Leam > > Bob Evans wrote: > >> So... did anyone go to this thing? >> >> _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -- = http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 I never married because there was no need. I have three pets at home which answer the same purpose as a husband. I have a dog which growls every morning, a parrot which swears all afternoon and a cat that comes home late at night. Marie Corelli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090420/9ac26557/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Mon Apr 20 07:51:53 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Apr 19 17:26:11 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904200442g20a7e9b3sa0d5b7e394db6b4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> <49EC5508.7000306@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200442g20a7e9b3sa0d5b7e394db6b4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EC61D9.7060604@reuel.net> Not sure how you see it a Red Hat event. Greg DK pretty much did what he did at BarCamp Charlotte, and the one Keynote by the RH CIO wasn't enough to get you going. It was a Collegiate event for people who are new to or maybe even on the fence about Open Source. Red Hat was just a bit player. I think RH will be a major enterprise player for at least 3-5 years and eliminate most of the commercial Unices. More later, breakfast calls... Leam Bob Evans wrote: > I actually talked myself out of going, opting for family time. I was IN THE > PARKING LOT when I realized that this was not something I really care about > any more..... > > Looking over the sponsors,it was essentially a Red Hat event. > > I'm not anti-Red Hat. I just don't see them being the future of software, > open or otherwise. They've certainly had a degree of success courtesy of the > open source world, so I guess they feel obligated to hold these things... > > It WAS a nice drive, though. And a beautiful day... > > -be > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > >> Well... >> >> After being slightly numbed by all the "thank yous" up front I started to >> nod during the first keynote. The business track I attended in the AM was >> aimed at "why is Open Source okay". True material but not what I had been >> hoping for. >> >> Spent a little time handing out swag for Fedora, answering questions and >> doing a little bit of encouraging. Joined in a conversation helping a newbie >> over lunch, and that was about it. Hopefully the developers track was more >> useful to the attendees. After musing, munching, and going over the >> remaining schedule I put time with family over time listening to stuff I >> already knew. >> >> I'd love to hear from businesses that are significantly open source and how >> they integrate everything together. After so many years in the enterprise >> level game and seeing so many millions of dollars wasted on tools that don't >> interoperate I'd like to see someone speak about real business use of open >> source and real cost savings. One speaker seemed happy that the use of a >> dozen or so open source tools saved $100,000. Great! I've doubled that with >> a few lines of Bourne shell in just the right spot. >> >> Hopefully the June conference is better. >> >> Leam >> >> Bob Evans wrote: >> >>> So... did anyone go to this thing? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 08:10:56 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 19 17:45:01 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: <49EC61D9.7060604@reuel.net> References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> <49EC5508.7000306@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200442g20a7e9b3sa0d5b7e394db6b4a@mail.gmail.com> <49EC61D9.7060604@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904200510l3f33a812nec2d04be6605e16b@mail.gmail.com> Well, certainly the Fedora/Red Hat advocates(3) outnumbered any other Linux advocates(0) in the speaker category. The closest in speaker count numbers were employees of Blue Cross in Columbia, touting their zSeries implementation of Linux. (zSeries =3D IBM mainframe) Some of you might remember IBM's demo of that little trick several years ago at a LUG meeting at CompUSA on South Blvd. We tried it at BOFA, too... So the nineties have officially arrived at Blue Cross. Good to know... Regarding your other comment, about Red Hat in 3-5... The likelihood of there being a discrete OS, other than in firmware, in 3-5 years seems highly unlikely. But we'll see. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > Not sure how you see it a Red Hat event. Greg DK pretty much did what he > did at BarCamp Charlotte, and the one Keynote by the RH CIO wasn't enough= to > get you going. > > It was a Collegiate event for people who are new to or maybe even on the > fence about Open Source. Red Hat was just a bit player. > > I think RH will be a major enterprise player for at least 3-5 years and > eliminate most of the commercial Unices. > > More later, breakfast calls... > > Leam > > Bob Evans wrote: > >> I actually talked myself out of going, opting for family time. I was IN >> THE >> PARKING LOT when I realized that this was not something I really care >> about >> any more..... >> >> Looking over the sponsors,it was essentially a Red Hat event. >> >> I'm not anti-Red Hat. I just don't see them being the future of software, >> open or otherwise. They've certainly had a degree of success courtesy of >> the >> open source world, so I guess they feel obligated to hold these things... >> >> It WAS a nice drive, though. And a beautiful day... >> >> -be >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >> >> Well... >>> >>> After being slightly numbed by all the "thank yous" up front I started = to >>> nod during the first keynote. The business track I attended in the AM w= as >>> aimed at "why is Open Source okay". True material but not what I had be= en >>> hoping for. >>> >>> Spent a little time handing out swag for Fedora, answering questions and >>> doing a little bit of encouraging. Joined in a conversation helping a >>> newbie >>> over lunch, and that was about it. Hopefully the developers track was >>> more >>> useful to the attendees. After musing, munching, and going over the >>> remaining schedule I put time with family over time listening to stuff I >>> already knew. >>> >>> I'd love to hear from businesses that are significantly open source and >>> how >>> they integrate everything together. After so many years in the enterpri= se >>> level game and seeing so many millions of dollars wasted on tools that >>> don't >>> interoperate I'd like to see someone speak about real business use of >>> open >>> source and real cost savings. One speaker seemed happy that the use of a >>> dozen or so open source tools saved $100,000. Great! I've doubled that >>> with >>> a few lines of Bourne shell in just the right spot. >>> >>> Hopefully the June conference is better. >>> >>> Leam >>> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>> So... did anyone go to this thing? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090420/af3f4e0b/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Mon Apr 20 08:42:01 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Apr 19 18:16:19 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904200510l3f33a812nec2d04be6605e16b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> <49EC5508.7000306@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200442g20a7e9b3sa0d5b7e394db6b4a@mail.gmail.com> <49EC61D9.7060604@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200510l3f33a812nec2d04be6605e16b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EC6D99.6030605@reuel.net> Yeah, but Nalley crashed the party so he doesn't really count. :) If you're talking about business in Linux, Red Hat is it. No one else really competes well in the datacenter market. I'm pretty solid in my conviction that the OS will be a major player for 3-5 years, however, I do agree that past that point something else will have the option of causing big change. My current guess is the growth of application blades or 1U boxes where the OS is re-built to support a finite set of functions. Cisco moving in to the server space is a good possibility. In that space I think Linux will win because of brain-share. *BSD has great value but the business support isn't behind it as much. Whether or not RH is the vendor of choice in 2015 remains to be seen. I think it's possible but there's too many smart people working on the problem for one place to guarantee being the de facto winner. I'd give it 40% for RH, 40% for a technology that exists today but is still in infancy, and maybe 20% for something not yet developed past the skunkworks stage. On the zLinux issue, the problem is companies have these huge boxes they can't really write off but don't have the skills to fully utilize. I've done some work with zLinux that required me understand a little about the mainframe. I was blown away! There are some really cool things about the mainframes that make them totally interesting. The issue with zLinux is that you're using a VM and lose so many parts of the frame that are useful. The mindsets are highly divergent and unless there's a real and over-whelming business case I feel zLinux is a solution looking for a problem. That's my thinking, anyway, and what I base my career choices on. :) Leam Bob Evans wrote: > Well, certainly the Fedora/Red Hat advocates(3) outnumbered any other Linux > advocates(0) in the speaker category. The closest in speaker count numbers > were employees of Blue Cross in Columbia, touting their zSeries > implementation of Linux. > > (zSeries = IBM mainframe) > > Some of you might remember IBM's demo of that little trick several years ago > at a LUG meeting at CompUSA on South Blvd. We tried it at BOFA, too... > > So the nineties have officially arrived at Blue Cross. Good to know... > > Regarding your other comment, about Red Hat in 3-5... > > The likelihood of there being a discrete OS, other than in firmware, in 3-5 > years seems highly unlikely. > > But we'll see. > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > >> Not sure how you see it a Red Hat event. Greg DK pretty much did what he >> did at BarCamp Charlotte, and the one Keynote by the RH CIO wasn't enough to >> get you going. >> >> It was a Collegiate event for people who are new to or maybe even on the >> fence about Open Source. Red Hat was just a bit player. >> >> I think RH will be a major enterprise player for at least 3-5 years and >> eliminate most of the commercial Unices. >> >> More later, breakfast calls... >> >> Leam >> >> Bob Evans wrote: >> >>> I actually talked myself out of going, opting for family time. I was IN >>> THE >>> PARKING LOT when I realized that this was not something I really care >>> about >>> any more..... >>> >>> Looking over the sponsors,it was essentially a Red Hat event. >>> >>> I'm not anti-Red Hat. I just don't see them being the future of software, >>> open or otherwise. They've certainly had a degree of success courtesy of >>> the >>> open source world, so I guess they feel obligated to hold these things... >>> >>> It WAS a nice drive, though. And a beautiful day... >>> >>> -be >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >>> >>> Well... >>>> After being slightly numbed by all the "thank yous" up front I started to >>>> nod during the first keynote. The business track I attended in the AM was >>>> aimed at "why is Open Source okay". True material but not what I had been >>>> hoping for. >>>> >>>> Spent a little time handing out swag for Fedora, answering questions and >>>> doing a little bit of encouraging. Joined in a conversation helping a >>>> newbie >>>> over lunch, and that was about it. Hopefully the developers track was >>>> more >>>> useful to the attendees. After musing, munching, and going over the >>>> remaining schedule I put time with family over time listening to stuff I >>>> already knew. >>>> >>>> I'd love to hear from businesses that are significantly open source and >>>> how >>>> they integrate everything together. After so many years in the enterprise >>>> level game and seeing so many millions of dollars wasted on tools that >>>> don't >>>> interoperate I'd like to see someone speak about real business use of >>>> open >>>> source and real cost savings. One speaker seemed happy that the use of a >>>> dozen or so open source tools saved $100,000. Great! I've doubled that >>>> with >>>> a few lines of Bourne shell in just the right spot. >>>> >>>> Hopefully the June conference is better. >>>> >>>> Leam >>>> >>>> Bob Evans wrote: >>>> >>>> So... did anyone go to this thing? >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug From leam at reuel.net Mon Apr 20 10:33:21 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Sun Apr 19 20:07:40 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oracle buys Sun Message-ID: <49EC87B1.5000708@reuel.net> Slashdot says so, but Oracle seems slashdot'd... Leam From timjowers at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 11:09:55 2009 From: timjowers at gmail.com (Tim Jowers) Date: Sun Apr 19 20:44:00 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: <49EC6D99.6030605@reuel.net> References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> <49EC5508.7000306@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200442g20a7e9b3sa0d5b7e394db6b4a@mail.gmail.com> <49EC61D9.7060604@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200510l3f33a812nec2d04be6605e16b@mail.gmail.com> <49EC6D99.6030605@reuel.net> Message-ID: Sorry I could not make the event. I think whoever organized the event gets it. http://www.posscon.org/ I'll try to find the presentations archives. Many Linux/Open Source people do not get it. Businesses who use Open Source have a competitive edge. Tech businesses who use open source win because they "build on the work of others". My point is not "will open source win", but "open source has won". E.g. RedHat may be seen as boring now because they already have won. The G1 phone runs Linux. Linux is the OS of choice going forward. The battle for the programming language of choice rages. Maybe it will be Java, Ruby, or Mono. Which is open source? TimJowers On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > Yeah, but Nalley crashed the party so he doesn't really count. :) > > If you're talking about business in Linux, Red Hat is it. No one else really > competes well in the datacenter market. I'm pretty solid in my conviction > that the OS will be a major player for 3-5 years, however, I do agree that > past that point something else will have the option of causing big change. > My current guess is the growth of application blades ?or 1U boxes where the > OS is re-built to support a finite set of functions. Cisco moving in to the > server space is a good possibility. > > In that space I think Linux will win because of brain-share. *BSD has great > value but the business support isn't behind it as much. Whether or not RH is > the vendor of choice in 2015 remains to be seen. I think it's possible but > there's too many smart people working on the problem for one place to > guarantee being the de facto winner. I'd give it 40% for RH, 40% for a > technology that exists today but is still in infancy, and maybe 20% for > something not yet developed past the skunkworks stage. > > On the zLinux issue, the problem is companies have these huge boxes they > can't really write off but don't have the skills to fully utilize. I've done > some work with zLinux that required me understand a little about the > mainframe. I was blown away! There are some really cool things about the > ?mainframes that make them totally interesting. > > The issue with zLinux is that you're using a VM and lose so many parts of > the frame that are useful. The mindsets are highly divergent and unless > there's a real and over-whelming business case I feel zLinux is a ?solution > looking for a problem. > > That's my thinking, anyway, and what I base my career choices on. ?:) > > Leam > > > Bob Evans wrote: >> >> Well, certainly the Fedora/Red Hat advocates(3) ?outnumbered any other >> Linux >> advocates(0) in the speaker category. The closest in speaker count numbers >> were employees of Blue Cross in Columbia, touting their zSeries >> implementation of Linux. >> >> (zSeries = IBM mainframe) >> >> Some of you might remember IBM's demo of that little trick several years >> ago >> at a LUG meeting at CompUSA on South Blvd. We tried it at BOFA, too... >> >> So the nineties have officially arrived at Blue Cross. Good to know... >> >> Regarding your other comment, about Red Hat in 3-5... >> >> The likelihood of there being a discrete OS, other than in firmware, in >> 3-5 >> years seems highly unlikely. >> >> But we'll see. >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >> >>> Not sure how you see it a Red Hat event. Greg DK pretty much did what he >>> did at BarCamp Charlotte, and the one Keynote by the RH CIO wasn't enough >>> to >>> get you going. >>> >>> It was a Collegiate event for people who are new to or maybe even on the >>> fence about Open Source. Red Hat was just a bit player. >>> >>> I think RH will be a major enterprise player for at least 3-5 years and >>> eliminate most of the commercial Unices. >>> >>> More later, breakfast calls... >>> >>> Leam >>> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>>> I actually talked myself out of going, opting for family time. I was IN >>>> THE >>>> PARKING LOT when I realized that this was not something I really care >>>> about >>>> any more..... >>>> >>>> Looking over the sponsors,it was essentially a Red Hat event. >>>> >>>> I'm not anti-Red Hat. I just don't see them being the future of >>>> software, >>>> open or otherwise. They've certainly had a degree of success courtesy of >>>> the >>>> open source world, so I guess they feel obligated to hold these >>>> things... >>>> >>>> It WAS a nice drive, though. And a beautiful day... >>>> >>>> -be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Well... >>>>> >>>>> After being slightly numbed by all the "thank yous" up front I started >>>>> to >>>>> nod during the first keynote. The business track I attended in the AM >>>>> was >>>>> aimed at "why is Open Source okay". True material but not what I had >>>>> been >>>>> hoping for. >>>>> >>>>> Spent a little time handing out swag for Fedora, answering questions >>>>> and >>>>> doing a little bit of encouraging. Joined in a conversation helping a >>>>> newbie >>>>> over lunch, and that was about it. Hopefully the developers track was >>>>> more >>>>> useful to the attendees. After musing, munching, and going over the >>>>> remaining schedule I put time with family over time listening to stuff >>>>> I >>>>> already knew. >>>>> >>>>> I'd love to hear from businesses that are significantly open source and >>>>> how >>>>> they integrate everything together. After so many years in the >>>>> enterprise >>>>> level game and seeing so many millions of dollars wasted on tools that >>>>> don't >>>>> interoperate I'd like to see someone speak about real business use of >>>>> open >>>>> source and real cost savings. One speaker seemed happy that the use of >>>>> a >>>>> dozen or so open source tools saved $100,000. Great! I've doubled that >>>>> with >>>>> a few lines of Bourne shell in just the right spot. >>>>> >>>>> Hopefully the June conference is better. >>>>> >>>>> Leam >>>>> >>>>> Bob Evans wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?So... did anyone go to this thing? >>>>>> >>>>>> ?_______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 11:26:43 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Sun Apr 19 21:00:48 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> <49EC5508.7000306@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200442g20a7e9b3sa0d5b7e394db6b4a@mail.gmail.com> <49EC61D9.7060604@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200510l3f33a812nec2d04be6605e16b@mail.gmail.com> <49EC6D99.6030605@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904200826iea543e5r7a50965e8c6619a0@mail.gmail.com> No argument from me. I just don't think it is at the OS level anymore. OS is becoming a non issue. Just as Microsoft is falling out of the picture, like IBM before them, I don't see Red Hat as more than a footnote. The model of "corporate run software company" is less and less viable. There are fewer & fewer reasons to call 1-800-redhat (or whatever). And having that phone number is their only real reason to be, in the corporate venue. If I know as much (or more) about not only Linux, but Red Hat Linux specifically, why do I need them? As we move forward, now with a generation of younger people who grew up with a somewhat mature open source world, the concept of relying on a "vendor" of software that I can retrieve online just as easily as they can becomes somewhat absurd... Stay tuned. Things could change. They often do. -be On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Tim Jowers wrote: > Sorry I could not make the event. I think whoever organized the event > gets it. http://www.posscon.org/ I'll try to find the presentations > archives. > > Many Linux/Open Source people do not get it. Businesses who use Open > Source have a competitive edge. Tech businesses who use open source > win because they "build on the work of others". My point is not "will > open source win", but "open source has won". E.g. RedHat may be seen > as boring now because they already have won. The G1 phone runs Linux. > Linux is the OS of choice going forward. The battle for the > programming language of choice rages. Maybe it will be Java, Ruby, or > Mono. Which is open source? > > TimJowers > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > > Yeah, but Nalley crashed the party so he doesn't really count. :) > > > > If you're talking about business in Linux, Red Hat is it. No one else > really > > competes well in the datacenter market. I'm pretty solid in my convicti= on > > that the OS will be a major player for 3-5 years, however, I do agree > that > > past that point something else will have the option of causing big > change. > > My current guess is the growth of application blades or 1U boxes where > the > > OS is re-built to support a finite set of functions. Cisco moving in to > the > > server space is a good possibility. > > > > In that space I think Linux will win because of brain-share. *BSD has > great > > value but the business support isn't behind it as much. Whether or not = RH > is > > the vendor of choice in 2015 remains to be seen. I think it's possible > but > > there's too many smart people working on the problem for one place to > > guarantee being the de facto winner. I'd give it 40% for RH, 40% for a > > technology that exists today but is still in infancy, and maybe 20% for > > something not yet developed past the skunkworks stage. > > > > On the zLinux issue, the problem is companies have these huge boxes they > > can't really write off but don't have the skills to fully utilize. I've > done > > some work with zLinux that required me understand a little about the > > mainframe. I was blown away! There are some really cool things about the > > mainframes that make them totally interesting. > > > > The issue with zLinux is that you're using a VM and lose so many parts = of > > the frame that are useful. The mindsets are highly divergent and unless > > there's a real and over-whelming business case I feel zLinux is a > solution > > looking for a problem. > > > > That's my thinking, anyway, and what I base my career choices on. :) > > > > Leam > > > > > > Bob Evans wrote: > >> > >> Well, certainly the Fedora/Red Hat advocates(3) outnumbered any other > >> Linux > >> advocates(0) in the speaker category. The closest in speaker count > numbers > >> were employees of Blue Cross in Columbia, touting their zSeries > >> implementation of Linux. > >> > >> (zSeries =3D IBM mainframe) > >> > >> Some of you might remember IBM's demo of that little trick several yea= rs > >> ago > >> at a LUG meeting at CompUSA on South Blvd. We tried it at BOFA, too... > >> > >> So the nineties have officially arrived at Blue Cross. Good to know... > >> > >> Regarding your other comment, about Red Hat in 3-5... > >> > >> The likelihood of there being a discrete OS, other than in firmware, in > >> 3-5 > >> years seems highly unlikely. > >> > >> But we'll see. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > >> > >>> Not sure how you see it a Red Hat event. Greg DK pretty much did what > he > >>> did at BarCamp Charlotte, and the one Keynote by the RH CIO wasn't > enough > >>> to > >>> get you going. > >>> > >>> It was a Collegiate event for people who are new to or maybe even on > the > >>> fence about Open Source. Red Hat was just a bit player. > >>> > >>> I think RH will be a major enterprise player for at least 3-5 years a= nd > >>> eliminate most of the commercial Unices. > >>> > >>> More later, breakfast calls... > >>> > >>> Leam > >>> > >>> Bob Evans wrote: > >>> > >>>> I actually talked myself out of going, opting for family time. I was > IN > >>>> THE > >>>> PARKING LOT when I realized that this was not something I really care > >>>> about > >>>> any more..... > >>>> > >>>> Looking over the sponsors,it was essentially a Red Hat event. > >>>> > >>>> I'm not anti-Red Hat. I just don't see them being the future of > >>>> software, > >>>> open or otherwise. They've certainly had a degree of success courtesy > of > >>>> the > >>>> open source world, so I guess they feel obligated to hold these > >>>> things... > >>>> > >>>> It WAS a nice drive, though. And a beautiful day... > >>>> > >>>> -be > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Well... > >>>>> > >>>>> After being slightly numbed by all the "thank yous" up front I > started > >>>>> to > >>>>> nod during the first keynote. The business track I attended in the = AM > >>>>> was > >>>>> aimed at "why is Open Source okay". True material but not what I had > >>>>> been > >>>>> hoping for. > >>>>> > >>>>> Spent a little time handing out swag for Fedora, answering questions > >>>>> and > >>>>> doing a little bit of encouraging. Joined in a conversation helping= a > >>>>> newbie > >>>>> over lunch, and that was about it. Hopefully the developers track w= as > >>>>> more > >>>>> useful to the attendees. After musing, munching, and going over the > >>>>> remaining schedule I put time with family over time listening to > stuff > >>>>> I > >>>>> already knew. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'd love to hear from businesses that are significantly open source > and > >>>>> how > >>>>> they integrate everything together. After so many years in the > >>>>> enterprise > >>>>> level game and seeing so many millions of dollars wasted on tools > that > >>>>> don't > >>>>> interoperate I'd like to see someone speak about real business use = of > >>>>> open > >>>>> source and real cost savings. One speaker seemed happy that the use > of > >>>>> a > >>>>> dozen or so open source tools saved $100,000. Great! I've doubled > that > >>>>> with > >>>>> a few lines of Bourne shell in just the right spot. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hopefully the June conference is better. > >>>>> > >>>>> Leam > >>>>> > >>>>> Bob Evans wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> So... did anyone go to this thing? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> > >>>>> CharLUG mailing list > >>>>> CharLUG@charlug.org > >>>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > >>>>> > >> > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> CharLUG mailing list > >> CharLUG@charlug.org > >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CharLUG mailing list > > CharLUG@charlug.org > > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090420/62a7ca41/att= achment-0001.htm From boomfish at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 14:31:39 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Mon Apr 20 00:05:42 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904200826iea543e5r7a50965e8c6619a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> <49EC5508.7000306@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200442g20a7e9b3sa0d5b7e394db6b4a@mail.gmail.com> <49EC61D9.7060604@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200510l3f33a812nec2d04be6605e16b@mail.gmail.com> <49EC6D99.6030605@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200826iea543e5r7a50965e8c6619a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: (I've trimmed the Ccs because I'm sure the RedHat folks get enough email as it is without me adding to it). I agree that the OS is becoming less important, but my reasons differ from yours. Many key applications these days are online applications, the Web browser is the one desktop technology that most of those applications rely on. With the standard Web browser technology (HTML and Javascript) being so limited, we're in the midst of a new browser war ... except now there are 5 big players: Microsoft, Mozilla, Apple, Google, and Opera. (Some of you may question my addition of Opera, but it's a big player in most of the embedded device market). With most of these browsers able to run on multple platforms, browser support becomes a much bigger and more important issue than desktop OS support for online applications. As an Adobe ColdFusion developer I hear a lot about Adobe's Flash Player and AIR client. Although they are not open-source, they have been ported to all the modern desktop OSs and browsers and provide a much richer front-end experience than what is possible with standard browser technology. The technologies for server back-end connectivity for Flash Player and AIR are open source(*) so you can connect such clients to just about anything. This means that you can build server applications for Flash/AIR using open-source and provide rich front-end interfaces for them without having to worry about the desktop OS or even the browser type and version (beyond the Flash Player requirement, that is). As for 1-800 support, I see the role of "open-source support" as changing from general help lines to a fast line to technical expertise. In fact I have a conference call scheduled this week with Progressive Software (aka FUSE), a company that provides technical support for enterprise Apache technologies such as ActiveMQ. ActiveMQ is free and I have been able to install it myself, but we may tap the FUSE team for architecture and design advice. You may mock the concept of paid support, but from an IT management viewpoint it's very risky to rely completely on an unpaid open-source community for supporting your mission-critical applications that result in lost business and revenue for every minute of downtime. With paid open-source support you not paying for the rights to use a software product or even for the ability to call someone who can read a help desk script. Rather, you are paying for a guarantee that you will get the prompt attention of someone who knows much more about the technology than you do during those times you really need it. (*) There are a couple of data management features in Adobe LiveCycle that are not available in its open-source versions, but there are already projects underway to build replacement open-source components that implement those missing features. -- Dennis On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > No argument from me. I just don't think it is at the OS level anymore. OS > is becoming a non issue. Just as Microsoft is falling out of the picture, > like IBM before them, I don't see Red Hat as more than a footnote. The mo= del > of "corporate run software company" is less and less viable. > > There are fewer & fewer reasons to call 1-800-redhat (or whatever). And > having that phone number is their only real reason to be, in the corporate > venue. If I know as much (or more) about not only Linux, but Red Hat Linux > specifically, why do I need them? > > As we move forward, now with a generation of younger people who grew up > with a somewhat mature open source world, the concept of relying on a > "vendor" of software that I can retrieve online just as easily as they can > becomes somewhat absurd... > > Stay tuned. Things could change. They often do. > > -be > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Tim Jowers wrote: > >> Sorry I could not make the event. I think whoever organized the event >> gets it. http://www.posscon.org/ I'll try to find the presentations >> archives. >> >> Many Linux/Open Source people do not get it. Businesses who use Open >> Source have a competitive edge. Tech businesses who use open source >> win because they "build on the work of others". My point is not "will >> open source win", but "open source has won". E.g. RedHat may be seen >> as boring now because they already have won. The G1 phone runs Linux. >> Linux is the OS of choice going forward. The battle for the >> programming language of choice rages. Maybe it will be Java, Ruby, or >> Mono. Which is open source? >> >> TimJowers >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >> > Yeah, but Nalley crashed the party so he doesn't really count. :) >> > >> > If you're talking about business in Linux, Red Hat is it. No one else >> really >> > competes well in the datacenter market. I'm pretty solid in my >> conviction >> > that the OS will be a major player for 3-5 years, however, I do agree >> that >> > past that point something else will have the option of causing big >> change. >> > My current guess is the growth of application blades or 1U boxes where >> the >> > OS is re-built to support a finite set of functions. Cisco moving in to >> the >> > server space is a good possibility. >> > >> > In that space I think Linux will win because of brain-share. *BSD has >> great >> > value but the business support isn't behind it as much. Whether or not >> RH is >> > the vendor of choice in 2015 remains to be seen. I think it's possible >> but >> > there's too many smart people working on the problem for one place to >> > guarantee being the de facto winner. I'd give it 40% for RH, 40% for a >> > technology that exists today but is still in infancy, and maybe 20% for >> > something not yet developed past the skunkworks stage. >> > >> > On the zLinux issue, the problem is companies have these huge boxes th= ey >> > can't really write off but don't have the skills to fully utilize. I've >> done >> > some work with zLinux that required me understand a little about the >> > mainframe. I was blown away! There are some really cool things about t= he >> > mainframes that make them totally interesting. >> > >> > The issue with zLinux is that you're using a VM and lose so many parts >> of >> > the frame that are useful. The mindsets are highly divergent and unless >> > there's a real and over-whelming business case I feel zLinux is a >> solution >> > looking for a problem. >> > >> > That's my thinking, anyway, and what I base my career choices on. :) >> > >> > Leam >> > >> > >> > Bob Evans wrote: >> >> >> >> Well, certainly the Fedora/Red Hat advocates(3) outnumbered any other >> >> Linux >> >> advocates(0) in the speaker category. The closest in speaker count >> numbers >> >> were employees of Blue Cross in Columbia, touting their zSeries >> >> implementation of Linux. >> >> >> >> (zSeries =3D IBM mainframe) >> >> >> >> Some of you might remember IBM's demo of that little trick several >> years >> >> ago >> >> at a LUG meeting at CompUSA on South Blvd. We tried it at BOFA, too... >> >> >> >> So the nineties have officially arrived at Blue Cross. Good to know... >> >> >> >> Regarding your other comment, about Red Hat in 3-5... >> >> >> >> The likelihood of there being a discrete OS, other than in firmware, = in >> >> 3-5 >> >> years seems highly unlikely. >> >> >> >> But we'll see. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >> >> >> >>> Not sure how you see it a Red Hat event. Greg DK pretty much did what >> he >> >>> did at BarCamp Charlotte, and the one Keynote by the RH CIO wasn't >> enough >> >>> to >> >>> get you going. >> >>> >> >>> It was a Collegiate event for people who are new to or maybe even on >> the >> >>> fence about Open Source. Red Hat was just a bit player. >> >>> >> >>> I think RH will be a major enterprise player for at least 3-5 years >> and >> >>> eliminate most of the commercial Unices. >> >>> >> >>> More later, breakfast calls... >> >>> >> >>> Leam >> >>> >> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> I actually talked myself out of going, opting for family time. I was >> IN >> >>>> THE >> >>>> PARKING LOT when I realized that this was not something I really ca= re >> >>>> about >> >>>> any more..... >> >>>> >> >>>> Looking over the sponsors,it was essentially a Red Hat event. >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm not anti-Red Hat. I just don't see them being the future of >> >>>> software, >> >>>> open or otherwise. They've certainly had a degree of success courte= sy >> of >> >>>> the >> >>>> open source world, so I guess they feel obligated to hold these >> >>>> things... >> >>>> >> >>>> It WAS a nice drive, though. And a beautiful day... >> >>>> >> >>>> -be >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Well... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> After being slightly numbed by all the "thank yous" up front I >> started >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> nod during the first keynote. The business track I attended in the >> AM >> >>>>> was >> >>>>> aimed at "why is Open Source okay". True material but not what I h= ad >> >>>>> been >> >>>>> hoping for. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Spent a little time handing out swag for Fedora, answering questio= ns >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> doing a little bit of encouraging. Joined in a conversation helping >> a >> >>>>> newbie >> >>>>> over lunch, and that was about it. Hopefully the developers track >> was >> >>>>> more >> >>>>> useful to the attendees. After musing, munching, and going over the >> >>>>> remaining schedule I put time with family over time listening to >> stuff >> >>>>> I >> >>>>> already knew. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I'd love to hear from businesses that are significantly open source >> and >> >>>>> how >> >>>>> they integrate everything together. After so many years in the >> >>>>> enterprise >> >>>>> level game and seeing so many millions of dollars wasted on tools >> that >> >>>>> don't >> >>>>> interoperate I'd like to see someone speak about real business use >> of >> >>>>> open >> >>>>> source and real cost savings. One speaker seemed happy that the use >> of >> >>>>> a >> >>>>> dozen or so open source tools saved $100,000. Great! I've doubled >> that >> >>>>> with >> >>>>> a few lines of Bourne shell in just the right spot. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hopefully the June conference is better. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Leam >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Bob Evans wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> So... did anyone go to this thing? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> CharLUG mailing list >> >>>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >> >>>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> >>>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> CharLUG mailing list >> >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CharLUG mailing list >> > CharLUG@charlug.org >> > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090420/040d1798/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 15:09:56 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Mon Apr 20 00:44:02 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> <49EC5508.7000306@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200442g20a7e9b3sa0d5b7e394db6b4a@mail.gmail.com> <49EC61D9.7060604@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200510l3f33a812nec2d04be6605e16b@mail.gmail.com> <49EC6D99.6030605@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200826iea543e5r7a50965e8c6619a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904201209t633a85c0p7a08291e6db91c90@mail.gmail.com> Interesting points, Dennis. In the old model, I would agree that there was a need to rely on an "expert". I had many years of dealing with IBM, for example, on what is now referred to as their 'enterprise server' or zOS machines. (We still call them mainframes when talking amongst ourselves...) The IBM mainframe model is a perfect example (I think) of the 20th century strategy: proprietary hardware running proprietary software. Got a problem? Turn around. Your IBM CE (Customer Engineer) is standing right behind you, ready to sell you a software or hardware solution to your dilemma. I put up with this all through the eighties and most of the nineties. At some point in there, Microsoft got into the act. They aped IBM, even though they touted themselves as the "new guys" in corporate America. But essentially they played the same game: upgrade to our new release of Windows, or Office or Microsoft Bob, and all will be well. The joke for years, even though it wasn't that funny, was that no manager in the mainframe world ever got fired for recommending an IBM solution. Same thing held true later, when it was often noted that no manager ever got fired for recommending a Microsoft solution. After all, money was never an issue. Things changed (I think) for the better around 1995. That's when free software, or Open Source, if you must, began to make inroads. First on the net: Linux servers, running Apache & MySQL, Perl, etc, made sense on many many levels. Cost was a factor, but software superiority was a much bigger factor. (My opinion, but I've heard it repeated enough to think it might have merit...) Today? Who knows. I hear a lot about software as a service. Gotta believe that has potential. People really don't need it, yet, so it might not take off. But if it does... Bye bye to a lot of current players. As to the point about relying on a vendor, I find that the quality of the employees in house usually out weighs the merits of buying that expertise. But many managers won't go along with me on that, because today they actually believe that the Red Hats & Oracles and Novells of this world will answer the phone when they call. After all, Microsoft & IBM would answer if you had any reason to call them... We shall see... Stay tuned. On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Dennis Clark wrote: > (I've trimmed the Ccs because I'm sure the RedHat folks get enough email = as > it is without me adding to it). > > I agree that the OS is becoming less important, but my reasons differ from > yours. Many key applications these days are online applications, the Web > browser is the one desktop technology that most of those applications rely > on. With the standard Web browser technology (HTML and Javascript) being = so > limited, we're in the midst of a new browser war ... except now there are= 5 > big players: Microsoft, Mozilla, Apple, Google, and Opera. (Some of you m= ay > question my addition of Opera, but it's a big player in most of the embed= ded > device market). With most of these browsers able to run on multple > platforms, browser support becomes a much bigger and more important issue > than desktop OS support for online applications. > > As an Adobe ColdFusion developer I hear a lot about Adobe's Flash Player > and AIR client. Although they are not open-source, they have been ported = to > all the modern desktop OSs and browsers and provide a much richer front-e= nd > experience than what is possible with standard browser technology. The > technologies for server back-end connectivity for Flash Player and AIR are > open source(*) so you can connect such clients to just about anything. Th= is > means that you can build server applications for Flash/AIR using open-sou= rce > and provide rich front-end interfaces for them without having to worry ab= out > the desktop OS or even the browser type and version (beyond the Flash Pla= yer > requirement, that is). > > As for 1-800 support, I see the role of "open-source support" as changing > from general help lines to a fast line to technical expertise. In fact I > have a conference call scheduled this week with Progressive Software (aka > FUSE), a company that provides technical support for enterprise Apache > technologies such as ActiveMQ. ActiveMQ is free and I have been able to > install it myself, but we may tap the FUSE team for architecture and desi= gn > advice. > > You may mock the concept of paid support, but from an IT management > viewpoint it's very risky to rely completely on an unpaid open-source > community for supporting your mission-critical applications that result in > lost business and revenue for every minute of downtime. With paid > open-source support you not paying for the rights to use a software produ= ct > or even for the ability to call someone who can read a help desk script. > Rather, you are paying for a guarantee that you will get the prompt > attention of someone who knows much more about the technology than you do > during those times you really need it. > > (*) There are a couple of data management features in Adobe LiveCycle that > are not available in its open-source versions, but there are already > projects underway to build replacement open-source components that implem= ent > those missing features. > > -- Dennis > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > >> No argument from me. I just don't think it is at the OS level anymore. OS >> is becoming a non issue. Just as Microsoft is falling out of the picture, >> like IBM before them, I don't see Red Hat as more than a footnote. The m= odel >> of "corporate run software company" is less and less viable. >> >> There are fewer & fewer reasons to call 1-800-redhat (or whatever). And >> having that phone number is their only real reason to be, in the corpora= te >> venue. If I know as much (or more) about not only Linux, but Red Hat Lin= ux >> specifically, why do I need them? >> >> As we move forward, now with a generation of younger people who grew up >> with a somewhat mature open source world, the concept of relying on a >> "vendor" of software that I can retrieve online just as easily as they c= an >> becomes somewhat absurd... >> >> Stay tuned. Things could change. They often do. >> >> -be >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Tim Jowers wrote: >> >>> Sorry I could not make the event. I think whoever organized the event >>> gets it. http://www.posscon.org/ I'll try to find the presentations >>> archives. >>> >>> Many Linux/Open Source people do not get it. Businesses who use Open >>> Source have a competitive edge. Tech businesses who use open source >>> win because they "build on the work of others". My point is not "will >>> open source win", but "open source has won". E.g. RedHat may be seen >>> as boring now because they already have won. The G1 phone runs Linux. >>> Linux is the OS of choice going forward. The battle for the >>> programming language of choice rages. Maybe it will be Java, Ruby, or >>> Mono. Which is open source? >>> >>> TimJowers >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >>> > Yeah, but Nalley crashed the party so he doesn't really count. :) >>> > >>> > If you're talking about business in Linux, Red Hat is it. No one else >>> really >>> > competes well in the datacenter market. I'm pretty solid in my >>> conviction >>> > that the OS will be a major player for 3-5 years, however, I do agree >>> that >>> > past that point something else will have the option of causing big >>> change. >>> > My current guess is the growth of application blades or 1U boxes whe= re >>> the >>> > OS is re-built to support a finite set of functions. Cisco moving in = to >>> the >>> > server space is a good possibility. >>> > >>> > In that space I think Linux will win because of brain-share. *BSD has >>> great >>> > value but the business support isn't behind it as much. Whether or not >>> RH is >>> > the vendor of choice in 2015 remains to be seen. I think it's possible >>> but >>> > there's too many smart people working on the problem for one place to >>> > guarantee being the de facto winner. I'd give it 40% for RH, 40% for a >>> > technology that exists today but is still in infancy, and maybe 20% f= or >>> > something not yet developed past the skunkworks stage. >>> > >>> > On the zLinux issue, the problem is companies have these huge boxes >>> they >>> > can't really write off but don't have the skills to fully utilize. I'= ve >>> done >>> > some work with zLinux that required me understand a little about the >>> > mainframe. I was blown away! There are some really cool things about >>> the >>> > mainframes that make them totally interesting. >>> > >>> > The issue with zLinux is that you're using a VM and lose so many parts >>> of >>> > the frame that are useful. The mindsets are highly divergent and unle= ss >>> > there's a real and over-whelming business case I feel zLinux is a >>> solution >>> > looking for a problem. >>> > >>> > That's my thinking, anyway, and what I base my career choices on. :) >>> > >>> > Leam >>> > >>> > >>> > Bob Evans wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Well, certainly the Fedora/Red Hat advocates(3) outnumbered any oth= er >>> >> Linux >>> >> advocates(0) in the speaker category. The closest in speaker count >>> numbers >>> >> were employees of Blue Cross in Columbia, touting their zSeries >>> >> implementation of Linux. >>> >> >>> >> (zSeries =3D IBM mainframe) >>> >> >>> >> Some of you might remember IBM's demo of that little trick several >>> years >>> >> ago >>> >> at a LUG meeting at CompUSA on South Blvd. We tried it at BOFA, too.= .. >>> >> >>> >> So the nineties have officially arrived at Blue Cross. Good to know.= .. >>> >> >>> >> Regarding your other comment, about Red Hat in 3-5... >>> >> >>> >> The likelihood of there being a discrete OS, other than in firmware, >>> in >>> >> 3-5 >>> >> years seems highly unlikely. >>> >> >>> >> But we'll see. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Not sure how you see it a Red Hat event. Greg DK pretty much did wh= at >>> he >>> >>> did at BarCamp Charlotte, and the one Keynote by the RH CIO wasn't >>> enough >>> >>> to >>> >>> get you going. >>> >>> >>> >>> It was a Collegiate event for people who are new to or maybe even on >>> the >>> >>> fence about Open Source. Red Hat was just a bit player. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think RH will be a major enterprise player for at least 3-5 years >>> and >>> >>> eliminate most of the commercial Unices. >>> >>> >>> >>> More later, breakfast calls... >>> >>> >>> >>> Leam >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I actually talked myself out of going, opting for family time. I w= as >>> IN >>> >>>> THE >>> >>>> PARKING LOT when I realized that this was not something I really >>> care >>> >>>> about >>> >>>> any more..... >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Looking over the sponsors,it was essentially a Red Hat event. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I'm not anti-Red Hat. I just don't see them being the future of >>> >>>> software, >>> >>>> open or otherwise. They've certainly had a degree of success >>> courtesy of >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> open source world, so I guess they feel obligated to hold these >>> >>>> things... >>> >>>> >>> >>>> It WAS a nice drive, though. And a beautiful day... >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -be >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Well... >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> After being slightly numbed by all the "thank yous" up front I >>> started >>> >>>>> to >>> >>>>> nod during the first keynote. The business track I attended in the >>> AM >>> >>>>> was >>> >>>>> aimed at "why is Open Source okay". True material but not what I >>> had >>> >>>>> been >>> >>>>> hoping for. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Spent a little time handing out swag for Fedora, answering >>> questions >>> >>>>> and >>> >>>>> doing a little bit of encouraging. Joined in a conversation helpi= ng >>> a >>> >>>>> newbie >>> >>>>> over lunch, and that was about it. Hopefully the developers track >>> was >>> >>>>> more >>> >>>>> useful to the attendees. After musing, munching, and going over t= he >>> >>>>> remaining schedule I put time with family over time listening to >>> stuff >>> >>>>> I >>> >>>>> already knew. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I'd love to hear from businesses that are significantly open sour= ce >>> and >>> >>>>> how >>> >>>>> they integrate everything together. After so many years in the >>> >>>>> enterprise >>> >>>>> level game and seeing so many millions of dollars wasted on tools >>> that >>> >>>>> don't >>> >>>>> interoperate I'd like to see someone speak about real business use >>> of >>> >>>>> open >>> >>>>> source and real cost savings. One speaker seemed happy that the u= se >>> of >>> >>>>> a >>> >>>>> dozen or so open source tools saved $100,000. Great! I've doubled >>> that >>> >>>>> with >>> >>>>> a few lines of Bourne shell in just the right spot. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Hopefully the June conference is better. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Leam >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> So... did anyone go to this thing? >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> CharLUG mailing list >>> >>>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> >>>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >>>>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> CharLUG mailing list >>> >> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > CharLUG mailing list >>> > CharLUG@charlug.org >>> > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090420/683a90b4/att= achment-0001.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 07:29:27 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Tue Apr 21 17:03:26 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oracle buys Sun In-Reply-To: <49EC87B1.5000708@reuel.net> References: <49EC87B1.5000708@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904220429i6cacaa8ay3f8474c0dbd41fa5@mail.gmail.com> Wonder if this buyout will squash MySQL... On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > Slashdot says so, but Oracle seems slashdot'd... > > Leam > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090422/d0f8114e/att= achment.htm From leam at reuel.net Wed Apr 22 07:38:56 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Tue Apr 21 17:13:12 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oracle buys Sun In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904220429i6cacaa8ay3f8474c0dbd41fa5@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EC87B1.5000708@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904220429i6cacaa8ay3f8474c0dbd41fa5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49EF01D0.8030903@reuel.net> Supposedly the MySQL conference that just happened felt more like a funeral to some folks. I think enough of the code is available so that it can continue. Don't know though, sorry to see it happen. Leam Bob Evans wrote: > Wonder if this buyout will squash MySQL... > > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > >> Slashdot says so, but Oracle seems slashdot'd... >> >> Leam From leam at reuel.net Wed Apr 22 07:42:09 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Tue Apr 21 17:16:26 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Jawjah... Message-ID: <49EF0291.6030701@reuel.net> I'm going to be heading out shortly to check out a job in Georgia. If it's good I'll be gone or back here madly packing to be gone. You guys are all doing well! I look forward to tracking CharLUG from a distance and hearing great things. Leam From bobevans19 at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 07:47:39 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Tue Apr 21 17:21:39 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Jawjah... In-Reply-To: <49EF0291.6030701@reuel.net> References: <49EF0291.6030701@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904220447m2897562tdec385805b7883a7@mail.gmail.com> Good luck, buddy. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > I'm going to be heading out shortly to check out a job in Georgia. If it's > good I'll be gone or back here madly packing to be gone. > > You guys are all doing well! I look forward to tracking CharLUG from a > distance and hearing great things. > > Leam > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090422/c0c38a7d/att= achment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Wed Apr 22 07:53:57 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Tue Apr 21 17:27:59 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oracle buys Sun In-Reply-To: <49EF01D0.8030903@reuel.net> References: <49EC87B1.5000708@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904220429i6cacaa8ay3f8474c0dbd41fa5@mail.gmail.com> <49EF01D0.8030903@reuel.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Leam Hall wrote: > Supposedly the MySQL conference that just happened felt more like a funeral > to some folks. > > I think enough of the code is available so that it can continue. Don't know > though, sorry to see it happen. I'm sticking with MySQL as long as possible, I've got way to much code using it to swap quickly, but I'll be looking at abstracting out my database work more in the future. I recently just installed Oracle, I hadn't used it since version 9. What a big fat bloated pig. The database may be fast, but all that Java crapola it requires just makes it a pain to deal with. MySQL's been a friend, there when I needed it, reliable, fast and runs on lightweight hardware and ram. From wiggins at danconia.org Wed Apr 22 08:53:36 2009 From: wiggins at danconia.org (Wiggins d'Anconia) Date: Tue Apr 21 18:27:35 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oracle buys Sun In-Reply-To: References: <49EC87B1.5000708@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904220429i6cacaa8ay3f8474c0dbd41fa5@mail.gmail.com> <49EF01D0.8030903@reuel.net> Message-ID: <49EF1350.7080204@danconia.org> Mike Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Leam Hall wrote: > >> Supposedly the MySQL conference that just happened felt more like a >> funeral to some folks. >> >> I think enough of the code is available so that it can continue. Don't >> know though, sorry to see it happen. > > I'm sticking with MySQL as long as possible, I've got way to much code > using it to swap quickly, but I'll be looking at abstracting out my > database work more in the future. > > I recently just installed Oracle, I hadn't used it since version 9. > What a big fat bloated pig. The database may be fast, but all that Java > crapola it requires just makes it a pain to deal with. > > MySQL's been a friend, there when I needed it, reliable, fast > and runs on lightweight hardware and ram. > Long live Postgres.... From tsdixon at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 09:51:32 2009 From: tsdixon at gmail.com (Thomas Dixon) Date: Tue Apr 21 19:25:30 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oracle buys Sun In-Reply-To: References: <49EC87B1.5000708@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904220429i6cacaa8ay3f8474c0dbd41fa5@mail.gmail.com> <49EF01D0.8030903@reuel.net> Message-ID: <7619b4c40904220651l7c25eeaat85fd292ca3aad7d0@mail.gmail.com> I wasnt aware that Oracle "required" any Java necessarily. Are you referring to the installer or to the GUI tools that Oracle provides? It's perfectly possible (and to some people preferable) to do without these. -tommy as for MySQL dying On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Mike Harrison wrote: > On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Leam Hall wrote: > > Supposedly the MySQL conference that just happened felt more like a >> funeral to some folks. >> >> I think enough of the code is available so that it can continue. Don't >> know though, sorry to see it happen. >> > > I'm sticking with MySQL as long as possible, I've got way to much code > using it to swap quickly, but I'll be looking at abstracting out my > database work more in the future. > > I recently just installed Oracle, I hadn't used it since version 9. > What a big fat bloated pig. The database may be fast, but all that Java > crapola it requires just makes it a pain to deal with. > > MySQL's been a friend, there when I needed it, reliable, fast > and runs on lightweight hardware and ram. > > > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090422/c1673ee0/att= achment.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Wed Apr 22 10:16:53 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Tue Apr 21 19:50:55 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oracle buys Sun In-Reply-To: <7619b4c40904220651l7c25eeaat85fd292ca3aad7d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EC87B1.5000708@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904220429i6cacaa8ay3f8474c0dbd41fa5@mail.gmail.com> <49EF01D0.8030903@reuel.net> <7619b4c40904220651l7c25eeaat85fd292ca3aad7d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Apr 2009, Thomas Dixon wrote: > I wasnt aware that Oracle "required" any Java necessarily. Are you referring > to the installer or to the GUI tools that Oracle provides? It's perfectly > possible (and to some people preferable) to do without these. To the tools it provides, and yes, I was much happier once I got to a prompt. I've shelved it for now.. once I got to where I could make a connection from PHP and Perl, the requirement to do a job in Oracle died. The clients IT people realized MySQL was already working in their place, and they didn't even know it, their reluctance to allow our simple little application to use it died. They feared supporting something that required as much support as thier Oracle systems for a simple little application. From chipper at llamas.net Wed Apr 22 10:24:10 2009 From: chipper at llamas.net (Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio) Date: Tue Apr 21 19:58:15 2009 Subject: [Charlug] [chipper@llamas.net: [Linux] Meetings, Speakers, and Topics. Oh My!] Message-ID: <20090422142410.GA22658@chipsworld.llamas.net> This is an email I just sent to my old LUG in Ft. Lauderdale (flux.org), call it a LUGManifesto. Perhaps it belongs in a wiki for collaborative improvement? speaking of the items below. any progress on the website? can it have a wiki component so we can move the content from my personal site to charlugs? Chip ----- Forwarded message from Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio ----- From: Chris 'Chipper' Chiapusio To: linux@flux.org Subject: [Linux] Meetings, Speakers, and Topics. Oh My! Reply-To: linux@flux.org Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:13:39 -0400 Adam, et al I escaped florida and have been in Charlotte, NC since fall of 2006 and just in the past two months did CharLUG revive. Along those lines I have a couple ideas on improving your chances of keeping these meetings moving along. It has suprised me all these years that there is such a shortage of professionals willing to give talks in such a densly populated area. 1. Don't Cancel Meetings. Adam, do you remember the first meeting I came to? It was at the diner. Move your meetings to someplace close were coffee and/or dinner can be had, and just have a bull session. Or focus on what people want to hear and who is able to do the talks. No meeting means no progress, no growth. 2. Collaborative Class Guides We had a bull session to find out what folks could talk about, what they wanted to learn about. I volunteered to do a lab on setting up Nagios. Something else we are moving forward with is dovetailing a short class on RHCE prep topics after the main meeting. I've got a life here and can't do everything myself, so I created a Wiki Page so I could enable the other volunteers to contribute to the study guides. This would enhance your website, further making it a desirable destination, improve your pagerank, and hopefully draw in more members of all calibres 3. Update your website Sorry, that MyUserGroup2 might have seemed like a great idea in 2003, not so much anymore. Look at ANYTHING else. I have always used GeekLog and now the fork GLFusion for blog-type sites. GLFusion now has Media Gallery, Wiki, Calendar, Forums, and more included. 4. Promote all OSS Add all the other local OSS UG meeting information to your websites calendar. OpenSolaris, PHP, Perl, usenix, java, etc. Add dates of conferences and promote road trips to the local florida cons (forums would be good for this). The theme: It is the age of social networking, stay relevant by leveraging modern technologies to strengthen your community. Chip (better than a .procmailrc killfile demo, eh?) _______________________________________________ Linux mailing list Linux@flux.org http://www.flux.org/mailman/listinfo/linux ----- End forwarded message ----- -- ------ **** Warning **** This e-mail message, without warrant or warning, and despite US law as set forth in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, may be subject to monitoring by the United States National Security Agency and/or the Department of Defense. Information contained in this message may be used against any senders or recipients, now or in the future, in a public trial or secret tribunal. Please encrypt anything important. PGP Key: http://wwwkeys.pgp.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x6CFA486D From boomfish at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 11:33:02 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Tue Apr 21 21:07:02 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oracle buys Sun In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904220429i6cacaa8ay3f8474c0dbd41fa5@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EC87B1.5000708@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904220429i6cacaa8ay3f8474c0dbd41fa5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The worst that Oracle can do to MySQL at this point is to slow down the development of new features and enhancements. MySQL is too popular and too stable for Oracle to be able to kill outright. If Oracle really wanted to eliminate MySQL as a competitor to their flagship DB they would be better off following the "embrace and extend" approach: keep supporting it, keep adding new features to it, but slowly migrate the licensing from open-source to no-cost closed-source. If they manage to hook enough customers on their new features, they could then switch from no-cost to for-fee licencing: customers would then be faced with sticking with an unsupported product, facing a painful product switch, or paying up their licensing fees. The open source community knows that game though, and the first signs of Oracle changing their licensing will most likely inspire some open source developers to fork the MySQL project. This would case a temporary disruption as the community reorganizes (for example, you may have competing forks early on until they merge or the weaker forks die off) but with a product as strong as MySQL I predict it would not take very long to recover. Oracle may keep the naming rights to MySQL so expect a renaming of the open-source project under this scenario: "OurSQL", anyone? -- Dennis On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 7:29 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > Wonder if this buyout will squash MySQL... > > > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Leam Hall wrote: > >> Slashdot says so, but Oracle seems slashdot'd... >> >> Leam >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<7c5cd1190904200510l3f33a812nec2d04be6605e16b@mail.gmail.com> <49EC6D99.6030605@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200826iea543e5r7a50965e8c6619a0@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904201209t633a85c0p7a08291e6db91c90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Software has become more like a commodity than an asset, and businesses ought to learn to treat it as such. The "complete" solutions offered by vendors usually require you to pay for much more functionality than you actually need, which then often requires you to buy bigger hardware to support the software bloat. Businesses are usually better off using expertise (either in-house or external experts) to integrate best-of-breed (open-source) technologies to create solutions that actually fit the business needs. The external experts in this case are mostly for evaluating technologies that are either still emerging or have not yet been integrated into the organization. I don't see much of a need for paying expensive consultants for things like web servers and application servers, but it may be worth doing so for technologies like ActiveMQ and ServiceMix. It can be good to have expert on-call support available for such technologies at least until the technology matures or you build enough in-house expertise to support it yourself. One sticking point I see business managers may have with keeping expertise in-house is knowledge retention. Businesses like to keep their IT staff slim, but that makes them vulnerable to knowledge loss if a key employee leaves. External experts can help in this regard by providing training services for newer staff. On the other hand, my experience is that businesses tend to underestimate the value of IT-related business process knowledge: if such knowledge leaves before it is captured, it has to be relearned (often by trial-and-painful-error). I see SaaS as an emerging technology to enable further outsourcing of IT from an organization, and like any form of outsourcing its success depends on how tied the business processes being outsourced are tied to the bussiness's core competencies. I'm sure we can all agree that the days of "money is not an issue" are over. My hope that this does not result in a blind adoption of open-source simply as a cost-cutting measure without looking into the actual business needs; unfortunately I'm already seeing signs that this might happen in my own workplace. Cheers, Dennis On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Bob Evans wrote: > Interesting points, Dennis. > > In the old model, I would agree that there was a need to rely on an > "expert". I had many years of dealing with IBM, for example, on what is n= ow > referred to as their 'enterprise server' or zOS machines. (We still call > them mainframes when talking amongst ourselves...) > > The IBM mainframe model is a perfect example (I think) of the 20th century > strategy: proprietary hardware running proprietary software. Got a proble= m? > Turn around. Your IBM CE (Customer Engineer) is standing right behind you, > ready to sell you a software or hardware solution to your dilemma. I put = up > with this all through the eighties and most of the nineties. > > At some point in there, Microsoft got into the act. They aped IBM, even > though they touted themselves as the "new guys" in corporate America. But > essentially they played the same game: upgrade to our new release of > Windows, or Office or Microsoft Bob, and all will be well. > > The joke for years, even though it wasn't that funny, was that no manager > in the mainframe world ever got fired for recommending an IBM solution. S= ame > thing held true later, when it was often noted that no manager ever got > fired for recommending a Microsoft solution. After all, money was never an > issue. > > Things changed (I think) for the better around 1995. > > That's when free software, or Open Source, if you must, began to make > inroads. First on the net: Linux servers, running Apache & MySQL, Perl, e= tc, > made sense on many many levels. Cost was a factor, but software superiori= ty > was a much bigger factor. (My opinion, but I've heard it repeated enough = to > think it might have merit...) > > Today? Who knows. I hear a lot about software as a service. Gotta believe > that has potential. People really don't need it, yet, so it might not take > off. But if it does... Bye bye to a lot of current players. > > As to the point about relying on a vendor, I find that the quality of the > employees in house usually out weighs the merits of buying that expertise. > But many managers won't go along with me on that, because today they > actually believe that the Red Hats & Oracles and Novells of this world wi= ll > answer the phone when they call. After all, Microsoft & IBM would answer = if > you had any reason to call them... > > > > We shall see... > > Stay tuned. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Dennis Clark wrote: > >> (I've trimmed the Ccs because I'm sure the RedHat folks get enough email >> as it is without me adding to it). >> >> I agree that the OS is becoming less important, but my reasons differ fr= om >> yours. Many key applications these days are online applications, the Web >> browser is the one desktop technology that most of those applications re= ly >> on. With the standard Web browser technology (HTML and Javascript) being= so >> limited, we're in the midst of a new browser war ... except now there ar= e 5 >> big players: Microsoft, Mozilla, Apple, Google, and Opera. (Some of you = may >> question my addition of Opera, but it's a big player in most of the embe= dded >> device market). With most of these browsers able to run on multple >> platforms, browser support becomes a much bigger and more important issue >> than desktop OS support for online applications. >> >> As an Adobe ColdFusion developer I hear a lot about Adobe's Flash Player >> and AIR client. Although they are not open-source, they have been ported= to >> all the modern desktop OSs and browsers and provide a much richer front-= end >> experience than what is possible with standard browser technology. The >> technologies for server back-end connectivity for Flash Player and AIR a= re >> open source(*) so you can connect such clients to just about anything. T= his >> means that you can build server applications for Flash/AIR using open-so= urce >> and provide rich front-end interfaces for them without having to worry a= bout >> the desktop OS or even the browser type and version (beyond the Flash Pl= ayer >> requirement, that is). >> >> As for 1-800 support, I see the role of "open-source support" as changing >> from general help lines to a fast line to technical expertise. In fact I >> have a conference call scheduled this week with Progressive Software (aka >> FUSE), a company that provides technical support for enterprise Apache >> technologies such as ActiveMQ. ActiveMQ is free and I have been able to >> install it myself, but we may tap the FUSE team for architecture and des= ign >> advice. >> >> You may mock the concept of paid support, but from an IT management >> viewpoint it's very risky to rely completely on an unpaid open-source >> community for supporting your mission-critical applications that result = in >> lost business and revenue for every minute of downtime. With paid >> open-source support you not paying for the rights to use a software prod= uct >> or even for the ability to call someone who can read a help desk script. >> Rather, you are paying for a guarantee that you will get the prompt >> attention of someone who knows much more about the technology than you do >> during those times you really need it. >> >> (*) There are a couple of data management features in Adobe LiveCycle th= at >> are not available in its open-source versions, but there are already >> projects underway to build replacement open-source components that imple= ment >> those missing features. >> >> -- Dennis >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bob Evans wrote: >> >>> No argument from me. I just don't think it is at the OS level anymore. = OS >>> is becoming a non issue. Just as Microsoft is falling out of the pictur= e, >>> like IBM before them, I don't see Red Hat as more than a footnote. The = model >>> of "corporate run software company" is less and less viable. >>> >>> There are fewer & fewer reasons to call 1-800-redhat (or whatever). And >>> having that phone number is their only real reason to be, in the corpor= ate >>> venue. If I know as much (or more) about not only Linux, but Red Hat Li= nux >>> specifically, why do I need them? >>> >>> As we move forward, now with a generation of younger people who grew up >>> with a somewhat mature open source world, the concept of relying on a >>> "vendor" of software that I can retrieve online just as easily as they = can >>> becomes somewhat absurd... >>> >>> Stay tuned. Things could change. They often do. >>> >>> -be >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Tim Jowers wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry I could not make the event. I think whoever organized the event >>>> gets it. http://www.posscon.org/ I'll try to find the presentations >>>> archives. >>>> >>>> Many Linux/Open Source people do not get it. Businesses who use Open >>>> Source have a competitive edge. Tech businesses who use open source >>>> win because they "build on the work of others". My point is not "will >>>> open source win", but "open source has won". E.g. RedHat may be seen >>>> as boring now because they already have won. The G1 phone runs Linux. >>>> Linux is the OS of choice going forward. The battle for the >>>> programming language of choice rages. Maybe it will be Java, Ruby, or >>>> Mono. Which is open source? >>>> >>>> TimJowers >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >>>> > Yeah, but Nalley crashed the party so he doesn't really count. :) >>>> > >>>> > If you're talking about business in Linux, Red Hat is it. No one else >>>> really >>>> > competes well in the datacenter market. I'm pretty solid in my >>>> conviction >>>> > that the OS will be a major player for 3-5 years, however, I do agree >>>> that >>>> > past that point something else will have the option of causing big >>>> change. >>>> > My current guess is the growth of application blades or 1U boxes >>>> where the >>>> > OS is re-built to support a finite set of functions. Cisco moving in >>>> to the >>>> > server space is a good possibility. >>>> > >>>> > In that space I think Linux will win because of brain-share. *BSD has >>>> great >>>> > value but the business support isn't behind it as much. Whether or n= ot >>>> RH is >>>> > the vendor of choice in 2015 remains to be seen. I think it's possib= le >>>> but >>>> > there's too many smart people working on the problem for one place to >>>> > guarantee being the de facto winner. I'd give it 40% for RH, 40% for= a >>>> > technology that exists today but is still in infancy, and maybe 20% >>>> for >>>> > something not yet developed past the skunkworks stage. >>>> > >>>> > On the zLinux issue, the problem is companies have these huge boxes >>>> they >>>> > can't really write off but don't have the skills to fully utilize. >>>> I've done >>>> > some work with zLinux that required me understand a little about the >>>> > mainframe. I was blown away! There are some really cool things about >>>> the >>>> > mainframes that make them totally interesting. >>>> > >>>> > The issue with zLinux is that you're using a VM and lose so many par= ts >>>> of >>>> > the frame that are useful. The mindsets are highly divergent and >>>> unless >>>> > there's a real and over-whelming business case I feel zLinux is a >>>> solution >>>> > looking for a problem. >>>> > >>>> > That's my thinking, anyway, and what I base my career choices on. :) >>>> > >>>> > Leam >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Bob Evans wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Well, certainly the Fedora/Red Hat advocates(3) outnumbered any >>>> other >>>> >> Linux >>>> >> advocates(0) in the speaker category. The closest in speaker count >>>> numbers >>>> >> were employees of Blue Cross in Columbia, touting their zSeries >>>> >> implementation of Linux. >>>> >> >>>> >> (zSeries =3D IBM mainframe) >>>> >> >>>> >> Some of you might remember IBM's demo of that little trick several >>>> years >>>> >> ago >>>> >> at a LUG meeting at CompUSA on South Blvd. We tried it at BOFA, >>>> too... >>>> >> >>>> >> So the nineties have officially arrived at Blue Cross. Good to >>>> know... >>>> >> >>>> >> Regarding your other comment, about Red Hat in 3-5... >>>> >> >>>> >> The likelihood of there being a discrete OS, other than in firmware, >>>> in >>>> >> 3-5 >>>> >> years seems highly unlikely. >>>> >> >>>> >> But we'll see. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> Not sure how you see it a Red Hat event. Greg DK pretty much did >>>> what he >>>> >>> did at BarCamp Charlotte, and the one Keynote by the RH CIO wasn't >>>> enough >>>> >>> to >>>> >>> get you going. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> It was a Collegiate event for people who are new to or maybe even = on >>>> the >>>> >>> fence about Open Source. Red Hat was just a bit player. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I think RH will be a major enterprise player for at least 3-5 years >>>> and >>>> >>> eliminate most of the commercial Unices. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> More later, breakfast calls... >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Leam >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> I actually talked myself out of going, opting for family time. I >>>> was IN >>>> >>>> THE >>>> >>>> PARKING LOT when I realized that this was not something I really >>>> care >>>> >>>> about >>>> >>>> any more..... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Looking over the sponsors,it was essentially a Red Hat event. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not anti-Red Hat. I just don't see them being the future of >>>> >>>> software, >>>> >>>> open or otherwise. They've certainly had a degree of success >>>> courtesy of >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> open source world, so I guess they feel obligated to hold these >>>> >>>> things... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It WAS a nice drive, though. And a beautiful day... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:57 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well... >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> After being slightly numbed by all the "thank yous" up front I >>>> started >>>> >>>>> to >>>> >>>>> nod during the first keynote. The business track I attended in t= he >>>> AM >>>> >>>>> was >>>> >>>>> aimed at "why is Open Source okay". True material but not what I >>>> had >>>> >>>>> been >>>> >>>>> hoping for. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Spent a little time handing out swag for Fedora, answering >>>> questions >>>> >>>>> and >>>> >>>>> doing a little bit of encouraging. Joined in a conversation >>>> helping a >>>> >>>>> newbie >>>> >>>>> over lunch, and that was about it. Hopefully the developers track >>>> was >>>> >>>>> more >>>> >>>>> useful to the attendees. After musing, munching, and going over >>>> the >>>> >>>>> remaining schedule I put time with family over time listening to >>>> stuff >>>> >>>>> I >>>> >>>>> already knew. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> I'd love to hear from businesses that are significantly open >>>> source and >>>> >>>>> how >>>> >>>>> they integrate everything together. After so many years in the >>>> >>>>> enterprise >>>> >>>>> level game and seeing so many millions of dollars wasted on tools >>>> that >>>> >>>>> don't >>>> >>>>> interoperate I'd like to see someone speak about real business u= se >>>> of >>>> >>>>> open >>>> >>>>> source and real cost savings. One speaker seemed happy that the >>>> use of >>>> >>>>> a >>>> >>>>> dozen or so open source tools saved $100,000. Great! I've doubled >>>> that >>>> >>>>> with >>>> >>>>> a few lines of Bourne shell in just the right spot. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Hopefully the June conference is better. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Leam >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Bob Evans wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> So... did anyone go to this thing? >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>> >>>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>> >>>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------= -- >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> CharLUG mailing list >>>> >> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>> >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > CharLUG mailing list >>>> > CharLUG@charlug.org >>>> > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CharLUG mailing list >>>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IBM always favored it... I'm sure Oracle will join the fray now. When i hear from top Microsft folks that "Windows 7 is the end of their planned desktop deployment" I gotta think they are betting that part of their huge farm on SaaS. It fits well into Red Hat desktop, since they have such a strong server product to back it up. Who knows. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ryan Sawhill w= rote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Dennis Clark wrote: > >> I'm sure we can all agree that the days of "money is not an issue" are >> over. My hope that this does not result in a blind adoption of open-sour= ce >> simply as a cost-cutting measure without looking into the actual business >> needs; unfortunately I'm already seeing signs that this might happen in = my >> own workplace. >> > > I'm a free software advocate, for sure, but I'm definitely wary of too mu= ch > of this happening--that's how people get burned, turned off from somethin= g. > Also, generally speaking, in principle, I'd much prefer to see people mov= ing > TOWARD something, you know, for its merits; rather than AWAY from somethi= ng > else. (Though it's easy to argue that in many cases both are happening.) > > Also, back to Red Hat, specifically in regards to things you were saying > Bob: > I don't know why I didn't pipe up on this earlier, but as far as I see it, > a HUGE part of what Red Hat provides to the world is training. I don't see > them as just a vendor. Sounds like you do--you didn't seem to take traini= ng > into account in your analysis of their value and longevity. So, I dunno.. > just a thought to consider. *shrugs* While I love Red Hat and think they'= ve > done wonderful things for linux & FS/open source, I recognize that, like = you > said, things could change. Who knows. :) > > > --- --- --- > Ryan Sawhill, RHCE, RHCX > Open Professionals, LLC > gpg: D5914682 E5D2 815E C4DF 60EF 7417 0D84 DF98 7C98 D591 4682 > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090422/7406ee20/att= achment.htm From boomfish at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 15:06:27 2009 From: boomfish at gmail.com (Dennis Clark) Date: Wed Apr 22 00:40:24 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904221128k526329b5j522882155c92bb28@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904200510l3f33a812nec2d04be6605e16b@mail.gmail.com> <49EC6D99.6030605@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200826iea543e5r7a50965e8c6619a0@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904201209t633a85c0p7a08291e6db91c90@mail.gmail.com> <610450e90904221111k59c2bad1obad5959ad97954a2@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904221128k526329b5j522882155c92bb28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll believe in SaaS has a chance in replacing the desktop OS ... once I see affordable ubiquitous high-speed Internet connectivity. By affordable I mean the same as or less than current standard cable Internet service prices for connectivity on *all* my devices, fixed and mobile. By ubiquitous I mean better coverage than current mobile phone service providers, and without me having to worry whether I am in a WiFi zone or a 4G zone or a WiMAX zone. By high-speed mean at least 2 Mbps. I know it will happen eventually, but I'm not holding my breath. -- Dennis On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Bob Evans wrote: > SaaS is being touted by Red Hat & Microsoft. IBM always favored it... I'm > sure Oracle will join the fray now. > > When i hear from top Microsft folks that "Windows 7 is the end of their > planned desktop deployment" I gotta think they are betting that part of > their huge farm on SaaS. > > It fits well into Red Hat desktop, since they have such a strong server > product to back it up. > > Who knows. > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ryan Sawhill wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Dennis Clark wrote: >> >>> I'm sure we can all agree that the days of "money is not an issue" are >>> over. My hope that this does not result in a blind adoption of open-sou= rce >>> simply as a cost-cutting measure without looking into the actual busine= ss >>> needs; unfortunately I'm already seeing signs that this might happen in= my >>> own workplace. >>> >> >> I'm a free software advocate, for sure, but I'm definitely wary of too >> much of this happening--that's how people get burned, turned off from >> something. Also, generally speaking, in principle, I'd much prefer to see >> people moving TOWARD something, you know, for its merits; rather than AW= AY >> from something else. (Though it's easy to argue that in many cases both = are >> happening.) >> >> Also, back to Red Hat, specifically in regards to things you were saying >> Bob: >> I don't know why I didn't pipe up on this earlier, but as far as I see i= t, >> a HUGE part of what Red Hat provides to the world is training. I don't s= ee >> them as just a vendor. Sounds like you do--you didn't seem to take train= ing >> into account in your analysis of their value and longevity. So, I dunno.. >> just a thought to consider. *shrugs* While I love Red Hat and think they= 've >> done wonderful things for linux & FS/open source, I recognize that, like= you >> said, things could change. Who knows. :) >> >> >> --- --- --- >> Ryan Sawhill, RHCE, RHCX >> Open Professionals, LLC >> gpg: D5914682 E5D2 815E C4DF 60EF 7417 0D84 DF98 7C98 D591 4682 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090422/195fb6fa/att= achment.htm From bobevans19 at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 15:36:12 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Wed Apr 22 01:10:12 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon In-Reply-To: References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> <49EC6D99.6030605@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200826iea543e5r7a50965e8c6619a0@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904201209t633a85c0p7a08291e6db91c90@mail.gmail.com> <610450e90904221111k59c2bad1obad5959ad97954a2@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904221128k526329b5j522882155c92bb28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904221236i78311316p33937d615dff0cfb@mail.gmail.com> Yeah, I'm working on it, Dennis. Biggest road blocks have been overcome. I think BPL is going to take off. I personally voted for free world wide wireless, but nobody listened... 8) http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/ My dad was a life long amateur radio enthusiast. He talked about this 15 years ago. We should see some movement on this front soon... -be On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Dennis Clark wrote: > I'll believe in SaaS has a chance in replacing the desktop OS ... once I > see affordable ubiquitous high-speed Internet connectivity. > > By affordable I mean the same as or less than current standard cable > Internet service prices for connectivity on *all* my devices, fixed and > mobile. > > By ubiquitous I mean better coverage than current mobile phone service > providers, and without me having to worry whether I am in a WiFi zone or a > 4G zone or a WiMAX zone. > > By high-speed mean at least 2 Mbps. > > I know it will happen eventually, but I'm not holding my breath. > > -- Dennis > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Bob Evans wrote: > >> SaaS is being touted by Red Hat & Microsoft. IBM always favored it... I'm >> sure Oracle will join the fray now. >> >> When i hear from top Microsft folks that "Windows 7 is the end of their >> planned desktop deployment" I gotta think they are betting that part of >> their huge farm on SaaS. >> >> It fits well into Red Hat desktop, since they have such a strong server >> product to back it up. >> >> Who knows. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ryan Sawhill > > wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Dennis Clark wrote: >>> >>>> I'm sure we can all agree that the days of "money is not an issue" are >>>> over. My hope that this does not result in a blind adoption of open-so= urce >>>> simply as a cost-cutting measure without looking into the actual busin= ess >>>> needs; unfortunately I'm already seeing signs that this might happen i= n my >>>> own workplace. >>>> >>> >>> I'm a free software advocate, for sure, but I'm definitely wary of too >>> much of this happening--that's how people get burned, turned off from >>> something. Also, generally speaking, in principle, I'd much prefer to s= ee >>> people moving TOWARD something, you know, for its merits; rather than A= WAY >>> from something else. (Though it's easy to argue that in many cases both= are >>> happening.) >>> >>> Also, back to Red Hat, specifically in regards to things you were saying >>> Bob: >>> I don't know why I didn't pipe up on this earlier, but as far as I see >>> it, a HUGE part of what Red Hat provides to the world is training. I do= n't >>> see them as just a vendor. Sounds like you do--you didn't seem to take >>> training into account in your analysis of their value and longevity. So= , I >>> dunno.. just a thought to consider. *shrugs* While I love Red Hat and t= hink >>> they've done wonderful things for linux & FS/open source, I recognize t= hat, >>> like you said, things could change. Who knows. :) >>> >>> >>> --- --- --- >>> Ryan Sawhill, RHCE, RHCX >>> Open Professionals, LLC >>> gpg: D5914682 E5D2 815E C4DF 60EF 7417 0D84 DF98 7C98 D591 4682 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CharLUG mailing list >>> CharLUG@charlug.org >>> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CharLUG mailing list >> CharLUG@charlug.org >> http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090422/ea57060c/att= achment-0001.htm From meuon at geeklabs.com Wed Apr 22 16:20:03 2009 From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison) Date: Wed Apr 22 01:54:03 2009 Subject: [Charlug] posscon + PLC In-Reply-To: <7c5cd1190904221236i78311316p33937d615dff0cfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c5cd1190904190516n2b26b2e1rb8097baa58d82833@mail.gmail.com> <49EC6D99.6030605@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904200826iea543e5r7a50965e8c6619a0@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904201209t633a85c0p7a08291e6db91c90@mail.gmail.com> <610450e90904221111k59c2bad1obad5959ad97954a2@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904221128k526329b5j522882155c92bb28@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904221236i78311316p33937d615dff0cfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/ > > My dad was a life long amateur radio enthusiast. He talked about this 15 > years ago. Thankfully, BROADBAND over power lines has died. It doesn't work well in the real world. I do a lot of communications over power lines, at reasonable frequencies and bandwidth (about 5k BITS per second), the higher speed stuff is a venture capital driven black hole and pipe dream. In Charlotte and other Duke Energy area's, they are installing Echelon brand residential meters that use "LonTalk" PLC for meter reading and meter control. It doesn't hop transformers well (1 to 3) and uses cell modems or other methods for the main backhaul. All of the PLC communications level is encrypted, keys on each device are pre-shared/accepted per node, tough stuff. The current version of the meters are running vxworks, the newest ones are running an embedded linux variant. Note: hacking an electric meter will get you in jail, quickly. With these meters especially. Lots of "tamper detection" technology at work. If you really want to hack on these, legally, I might have a job for you: mike.public@utiliflex.com http://www.utiliflex.com From wiggins at danconia.org Thu Apr 23 08:49:34 2009 From: wiggins at danconia.org (Wiggins d'Anconia) Date: Wed Apr 22 18:23:31 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oracle buys Sun In-Reply-To: <610450e90904221031p6a3e8ccfu23567745965a5376@mail.gmail.com> References: <49EC87B1.5000708@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904220429i6cacaa8ay3f8474c0dbd41fa5@mail.gmail.com> <610450e90904221031p6a3e8ccfu23567745965a5376@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49F063DE.7050801@danconia.org> Ryan Sawhill wrote: > Honestly, I haven't been paying much attention to Oracle *at all* over the > years. This whole thing was pretty startling for me, though I don't have > vested interests on any side really. However, Oracle's CEO is not someone > that gives me warm fuzzies: > >> Point-blank question, point-blank answer: "No. *If an open source product >> gets good enough, we'll simply take it*...Once Apache got better than our >> own Web server, we threw it away and took Apache. So the great thing about >> open source is nobody owns it -- a company like Oracle is free to take it >> for nothing, include it in our products and charge for support, and that's >> what we'll do. So it is not disruptive at all --you have to find places to >> add value. Once open source gets good enough, competing with it would be >> insane." >> > > http://www.betanews.com/article/Sun-goes-down-Larry-Ellison-disrupts-the-software-landscape-again/1240263478 > I won't go so far as to say it is "warm fuzzies" but really, other than he has a kajillion dollars behind it, what is wrong with the above line of thought? I suspect the focus is on the word "take" and it is rather striking, but its also way overloaded in this context. "Take" implies gathering onto oneself without leaving anything behind, but that just isn't possible in the OSS world, at least when a proper license is chosen, so MySQL's crappy OSS licensing aside, it's just not possible to "take" an OSS product, that is their beauty after all. So how is what he said any different than any other company that uses and distributes (legally, like RH maybe?) an OSS product? Just because he comes out and actually states his intentions doesn't mean we should burn him at the stake. Though I do have to wonder, as the article half implies, "This time around, the handwriting was on the wall for several years, and this morning, the handwriting is on the dotted line." It does beg the question of why Larry would be looking to build a cost savings stack coming out of a recession rather than in between or going in to one...but then maybe he doesn't think we are coming out of one, which would be far scarier to me than any software dealings he might have. -- http://danconia.org From ryan at openprofessionals.com Thu Apr 23 11:13:33 2009 From: ryan at openprofessionals.com (Ryan Sawhill) Date: Wed Apr 22 20:47:34 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Oracle buys Sun In-Reply-To: <49F063DE.7050801@danconia.org> References: <49EC87B1.5000708@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904220429i6cacaa8ay3f8474c0dbd41fa5@mail.gmail.com> <610450e90904221031p6a3e8ccfu23567745965a5376@mail.gmail.com> <49F063DE.7050801@danconia.org> Message-ID: <610450e90904230813t7a679f61uae09980976ace6a4@mail.gmail.com> T24gVGh1LCBBcHIgMjMsIDIwMDkgYXQgODo0OSBBTSwgV2lnZ2lucyBkJ0FuY29uaWEgPHdpZ2dp bnNAZGFuY29uaWEub3JnPndyb3RlOgoKPiBJIHdvbid0IGdvIHNvIGZhciBhcyB0byBzYXkgaXQg aXMgIndhcm0gZnV6emllcyIgYnV0IHJlYWxseSwgb3RoZXIgdGhhbgo+IGhlIGhhcyBhIGthamls bGlvbiBkb2xsYXJzIGJlaGluZCBpdCwgd2hhdCBpcyB3cm9uZyB3aXRoIHRoZSBhYm92ZSBsaW5l Cj4gb2YgdGhvdWdodD8gSSBzdXNwZWN0IHRoZSBmb2N1cyBpcyBvbiB0aGUgd29yZCAidGFrZSIg YW5kIGl0IGlzIHJhdGhlcgo+IHN0cmlraW5nLCBidXQgaXRzIGFsc28gd2F5IG92ZXJsb2FkZWQg aW4gdGhpcyBjb250ZXh0LiAiVGFrZSIgaW1wbGllcwo+IGdhdGhlcmluZyBvbnRvIG9uZXNlbGYg d2l0aG91dCBsZWF2aW5nIGFueXRoaW5nIGJlaGluZCwgYnV0IHRoYXQganVzdAo+IGlzbid0IHBv c3NpYmxlIGluIHRoZSBPU1Mgd29ybGQsIGF0IGxlYXN0IHdoZW4gYSBwcm9wZXIgbGljZW5zZSBp cwo+IGNob3Nlbiwgc28gTXlTUUwncyBjcmFwcHkgT1NTIGxpY2Vuc2luZyBhc2lkZSwgaXQncyBq dXN0IG5vdCBwb3NzaWJsZSB0bwo+ICJ0YWtlIiBhbiBPU1MgcHJvZHVjdCwgdGhhdCBpcyB0aGVp ciBiZWF1dHkgYWZ0ZXIgYWxsLiBTbyBob3cgaXMgd2hhdCBoZQo+IHNhaWQgYW55IGRpZmZlcmVu dCB0aGFuIGFueSBvdGhlciBjb21wYW55IHRoYXQgdXNlcyBhbmQgZGlzdHJpYnV0ZXMKPiAobGVn YWxseSwgbGlrZSBSSCBtYXliZT8pIGFuIE9TUyBwcm9kdWN0PyBKdXN0IGJlY2F1c2UgaGUgY29t ZXMgb3V0IGFuZAo+IGFjdHVhbGx5IHN0YXRlcyBoaXMgaW50ZW50aW9ucyBkb2Vzbid0IG1lYW4g d2Ugc2hvdWxkIGJ1cm4gaGltIGF0IHRoZQo+IHN0YWtlLgo+Cj4gVGhvdWdoIEkgZG8gaGF2ZSB0 byB3b25kZXIsIGFzIHRoZSBhcnRpY2xlIGhhbGYgaW1wbGllcywgIlRoaXMgdGltZQo+IGFyb3Vu ZCwgdGhlIGhhbmR3cml0aW5nIHdhcyBvbiB0aGUgd2FsbCBmb3Igc2V2ZXJhbCB5ZWFycywgYW5k IHRoaXMKPiBtb3JuaW5nLCB0aGUgaGFuZHdyaXRpbmcgaXMgb24gdGhlIGRvdHRlZCBsaW5lLiIg SXQgZG9lcyBiZWcgdGhlCj4gcXVlc3Rpb24gb2Ygd2h5IExhcnJ5IHdvdWxkIGJlIGxvb2tpbmcg dG8gYnVpbGQgYSBjb3N0IHNhdmluZ3Mgc3RhY2sKPiBjb21pbmcgb3V0IG9mIGEgcmVjZXNzaW9u IHJhdGhlciB0aGFuIGluIGJldHdlZW4gb3IgZ29pbmcgaW4gdG8KPiBvbmUuLi5idXQgdGhlbiBt YXliZSBoZSBkb2Vzbid0IHRoaW5rIHdlIGFyZSBjb21pbmcgb3V0IG9mIG9uZSwgd2hpY2gKPiB3 b3VsZCBiZSBmYXIgc2NhcmllciB0byBtZSB0aGFuIGFueSBzb2Z0d2FyZSBkZWFsaW5ncyBoZSBt aWdodCBoYXZlLgo+Cj4KSG9uZXN0bHkgb24gdGhlIGZvdXJ0aCByZWFkaW5nIG9mIHRoYXQgcXVv dGUgdGhpcyBtb3JuaW5nLCAoYmVmb3JlIEkgZ290CmludG8geW91ciByZXBseSkgSSBzZWUgaXQg cXVpdGUgZGlmZmVyZW50bHkuIFlvdSdyZSByaWdodCBhYm91dCB0aGUgd29yZAp0YWtlLCBmb3Ig c3VyZSwgYnV0IG9mIGNvdXJzZSB5b3UncmUgYWxzbyByaWdodCBhYm91dCBsaWNlbnNpbmcuIElu CmFkZGl0aW9uLCBJIHRoaW5rIEkgYWxzbyB0b3RhbGx5IG1pc3JlYWQgcGFydCAtLSBzb21laG93 IEkgcmVhZCAqaXQqIGluICJ3ZQp0aHJldyBpdCBhd2F5IGFuZCB0b29rIEFwYWNoZSIgYXMgYmVp bmcgYXBhY2hlLCBpbnN0ZWFkIG9mIHRoZWlyIHdlYnNlcnZlci4KRGlkbid0IG1ha2Ugc2Vuc2Ug YXQgdGhlIHRpbWUsIGJ1dCBzdGlsbC4ud2hhdGV2ZXIuIDopICBJbiB0aGUgZW5kOiBJIHRoaW5r CkkganVzdCBkaWRuJ3QgcmVzcG9uZCB3ZWxsIHRvIHdoYXQgSSBwZXJjZWl2ZWQgdG8gYmUgaGlz IGF0dGl0dWRlLS1JIHRoaW5rCnRoZSBmaXJzdCBwYXJhZ3JhcGggb2YgdGhlIGFydGljbGUgc2V0 IG1lIHVwIHRvIHNlZSBoaW0gYXMgYSB0b3RhbCBiYWQgZ3V5LAphbmQgSSBib3VnaHQgaXQuIExp dmUgYW5kIGxlYXJuLgoKLS0tIC0tLSAtLS0KUnlhbiBTYXdoaWxsLCBSSENFLCBSSENYCk9wZW4g UHJvZmVzc2lvbmFscywgTExDCmdwZzogRDU5MTQ2ODIgRTVEMiA4MTVFIEM0REYgNjBFRiA3NDE3 IDBEODQgREY5OCA3Qzk4IEQ1OTEgNDY4MgotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLSBuZXh0IHBhcnQgLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0KQW4gSFRNTCBhdHRhY2htZW50IHdhcyBzY3J1YmJlZC4uLgpVUkw6IGh0dHA6Ly9j aGFybHVnLm9yZy9waXBlcm1haWwvY2hhcmx1Zy9hdHRhY2htZW50cy8yMDA5MDQyMy9hMDVhNWE5 My9hdHRhY2htZW50Lmh0bQo= From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 08:18:49 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Thu Apr 23 17:52:50 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Netbooks hammer Windows revenues for second straight quarter Message-ID: <21DCA1A4-D5FD-4417-88BB-A6F91A761115@gmail.com> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do? command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9132065&source=NLT_AM Bad news for Microsoft - Netbooks From bobevans19 at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 14:32:27 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Fri Apr 24 00:06:21 2009 Subject: [FLPC] Re: [Charlug] Speaker for 25 Apr 09? In-Reply-To: References: <49E240D5.2060404@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904130455x48d19cf5ge3268edc67cf33cd@mail.gmail.com> <7c5cd1190904130531t373416f6t45635b93e214c830@mail.gmail.com> <2B9059DD-EE1C-42BE-A18C-0623C13C2DB1@hwaci.com> <7c5cd1190904130547i1043fa5kbc29a1469be17f3d@mail.gmail.com> <49E462EC.9040600@reuel.net> <7c5cd1190904140520j5cc85857hb8ada96204f9d33a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904241132q4ca0df02r8bf2f070771a289c@mail.gmail.com> Come when you can. I have to be there at ten anyway. OBTW I will lug the LUGLibrary, so be prepared to partake... On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Kevin J. wrote: > Are you planning to hold the LUG meeting from 10am-2pm tomorrow then? I > can't stay that long, but will plan on being there at noon barring any > conflicts. My "presentation" is more likely to be an open discussion for > anyone interested in creating a computer lab in the Charlotte area. > > I have heard Dr. Hipp's presentation and it is definitely worth your time > to attend, but I'm not sure if it's fair to Dr. Hipp to expect that > attendees will hang around for a four-hour long LUG meeting. Should every= one > plan to show up at noon to avoid confusion? > > Kevin > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > >> Leam et al >> >> Let me know if you want to change the meeting time(s) on the web site. >> I'll request a user ID update for you. >> If I took actions that went beyond my current role as unemployed club >> member, I apologize. >> >> Just one point that might clear up my choices. >> We have an unofficial agreement with the Levine CPCC administration that >> we will be meeting monthly in the food court. The length of the meeting = is >> open ended, but the start time is not. >> Ten AM. >> IF YOU WANT to change this arrangement, be my guest. I would just note >> that they were very agreeable with me once I got in to meet them. >> It took approximately 6 hours of futzing around to get that 30 minute >> appointment. >> >> Sooooooo. >> I will be in the food court at 10 AM. >> If you want to participate in Chip's lab, that will work... >> If you want to stop by later, for Dr. Hipp's talk only, feel free. >> >> I further note that I stepped in when no one else felt the need, to keep >> the momentum alive for a LUG. >> I have recently accepted an out of town assignment, so my presence here >> will soon be minimal... >> >> Thanks, >> >> -be >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:18 AM, Leam Hall wrote: >> >>> Um, have you thought about people's schedules? I'd like to give Dr. Hipp >>> my fullest attention but if someone arbitrarily alters my known schedule >>> it's a bit of a pain. >>> >>> Do one major talk, or the other. Don't push for a 5 hour meeting. If Dr. >>> Hipp can make it at 1 pm then we should start at 12:45 with introductio= ns, >>> social blather, and getting our note pads ready. >>> >>> The RCHE-SG, if I remember correctly, discussed a 30 minute post meeting >>> optional workshop. Or we could start at 12:00, whichever worked for Chi= p and >>> the others. >>> >>> Leam >>> >>> >>> Bob Evans wrote: >>> >>>> That will be the schedule for the April 25th meeting. I will update the >>>> website to reflect the changes. >>>> >>>> Thanks, all... >>>> >>>> >>>> -be >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:42 AM, D. Richard Hipp wrote: >>>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2009, at 8:31 AM, Bob Evans wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dr, Hipp - >>>>> >>>>>> We can be very flexible on the meeting times... >>>>>> >>>>>> If after lunch works better for you, I propose that we extend the >>>>>> meeting >>>>>> hours accordingly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chip your presentation is more of a lab, right? >>>>>> We can do that from 10-12. >>>>>> Short break at lunchtime. >>>>>> Dr. Hipp in the afternoon... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I can support that schedule. Please let me know if this is what you >>>>> want >>>>> to do. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> D. Richard Hipp >>>>> drh@hwaci.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobevans19 >> >> Cynically speaking, one could say that it is true to life to be cynical >> about it. >> - Paul Tillich >> >> Here's a tip to avoid death by celebrity: First off, get a life. They >> can't touch you if you're out doing something interesting. >> - Kent Nichols and Douglas Sarine >> >> >> >> >> >> > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "UCLUG-FLPC" group. > To post to this group, send email to uclug-flpc@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > uclug-flpc+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/uclug-flpc?hl=3Den > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090424/d3f2162d/att= achment.htm From dave at dgnal.net Sat Apr 25 12:41:55 2009 From: dave at dgnal.net (David Simmons) Date: Fri Apr 24 22:17:29 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Read-Only Email Archive System - possible? Message-ID: I'm hoping someone else has done this and can offer advice and/or platforms/software to use = I'm moving email systems....have years and years of email....while I could move it to the new system, I really don't need it on the new system - I just need 'access' to it for searching. = So what I'm looking for is an online email system/software/platform that doesn't send email out (so hacking might be minimized since email doesn't go out) but allows for searching of old email. = Just for the record....I believe it to be a Maildir system (used QMail / Squirrelmail setup) = I know that I can copy it to my local computer...and run Thunderbird or something to access/search it.....but I'd like an online system (web front-end) when I'm not on my local system. = Thanks for any advice - hints, = dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090425/a7882227/att= achment.htm From cmpilato at red-bean.com Sat Apr 25 22:19:16 2009 From: cmpilato at red-bean.com (C. Michael Pilato) Date: Sat Apr 25 07:50:55 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Read-Only Email Archive System - possible? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F3C4A4.5060501@red-bean.com> David Simmons wrote: > I'm hoping someone else has done this and can offer advice and/or > platforms/software to use > > I'm moving email systems....have years and years of email....while I > could move it to the new system, I really don't need it on the new > system - I just need 'access' to it for searching. > > So what I'm looking for is an online email system/software/platform that > doesn't send email out (so hacking might be minimized since email > doesn't go out) but allows for searching of old email. > > Just for the record....I believe it to be a Maildir system (used QMail / > Squirrelmail setup) > > I know that I can copy it to my local computer...and run Thunderbird or > something to access/search it.....but I'd like an online system (web > front-end) when I'm not on my local system. > > Thanks for any advice - hints, Since Gmail supports IMAP, I solved a similar problem by getting all my old mail into a format readable by Thunderbird. IIRC, the mail wound up living as folders in the "Local Folders" Thunderbird "account". I also had a second account in Thunderbird, this one configured to access Gmail via IMAP. With such a setup, moving the old mail to Gmail for archival was as simple as drag-n-dropping mail between those two Thunderbird accounts. This probably doesn't meet your "doesn't send email out" criteria, but I figured I'd share the information anyway in case you reconsider. -- C. Michael Pilato | http://cmpilato.blogspot.com/ From phma at phma.optus.nu Tue Apr 28 08:51:42 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Mon Apr 27 18:25:24 2009 Subject: [Charlug] ping ripe doesn't work anymore Message-ID: <200904280851.43014.phma@phma.optus.nu> I've been pinging 193.0.0.193 for years to check if I'm online. This doesn't work anymore. I can ping6 ns.ripe.net. What happened to RIPE, and can you suggest another host to ping? Pierre From bobevans19 at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 09:02:34 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Mon Apr 27 18:36:16 2009 Subject: [Charlug] ping ripe doesn't work anymore In-Reply-To: <200904280851.43014.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200904280851.43014.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904280602q87571d1u8b618f558a2e0d2a@mail.gmail.com> I've always used http://www.rr.com On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I've been pinging 193.0.0.193 for years to check if I'm online. This > doesn't > work anymore. I can ping6 ns.ripe.net. What happened to RIPE, and can you > suggest another host to ping? > > Pierre > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090428/05631cd2/att= achment.htm From peter.senft at hpss.de Tue Apr 28 09:06:59 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Mon Apr 27 18:40:43 2009 Subject: [Charlug] ping ripe doesn't work anymore In-Reply-To: <200904280851.43014.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200904280851.43014.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-ID: <49F6FF73.9000403@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Pierre, Pierre Abbat wrote: > I've been pinging 193.0.0.193 for years to check if I'm online. This doesn't > work anymore. I can ping6 ns.ripe.net. What happened to RIPE, and can you > suggest another host to ping? I don't know what happend to RIPE, but I am using 151.1.1.1 most of the time. As easy to remember :) Peter - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ9v9z8C47DFW4ANMRAiuNAKCuiY3OYGXNnTAyV2s8UYlttaYXsQCgiILM N8dOxH97qPk2LocDw4Fgnvs= =v27T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From phma at phma.optus.nu Tue Apr 28 13:21:01 2009 From: phma at phma.optus.nu (Pierre Abbat) Date: Mon Apr 27 22:54:43 2009 Subject: [Charlug] ping ripe doesn't work anymore In-Reply-To: <49F6FF73.9000403@hpss.de> References: <200904280851.43014.phma@phma.optus.nu> <49F6FF73.9000403@hpss.de> Message-ID: <200904281321.01997.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Tuesday 28 April 2009 09:06:59 Peter Senft wrote: > I don't know what happend to RIPE, but I am using 151.1.1.1 most of the > time. As easy to remember :) Thanks! 4.2.2.2 works too. www.rr.com would be useful to tell when I'm connected to RR but RR isn't connected to the world. Pierre From peter.senft at hpss.de Tue Apr 28 14:53:56 2009 From: peter.senft at hpss.de (Peter Senft) Date: Tue Apr 28 00:27:39 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Nagios Message-ID: <49F750C4.7000001@hpss.de> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi @all, a question to the Nagios users out there :). I am currently in the process evaluating Nagios for our network here and will most likely use it. But I am not so sure whether I should use 2.x or 3.x. Any thoughts? cu hps - -- | Peter Senft /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 / \ | Powered by Debian Linux | #185651 http://counter.li.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJ91DE8C47DFW4ANMRAtkfAJ0UYxKuRZmFVC0HN9d8wvRXlymAWACdG1xb sacZNQmt0ygsfNQEmeagHNU= =QVxI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From leam at reuel.net Wed Apr 29 15:40:07 2009 From: leam at reuel.net (Leam Hall) Date: Wed Apr 29 01:13:50 2009 Subject: [Charlug] Nagios In-Reply-To: <49F750C4.7000001@hpss.de> References: <49F750C4.7000001@hpss.de> Message-ID: <49F8AD17.2010402@reuel.net> Well, their front page says the latest is 3.1.0, the download button on the other page says 3.0.6. Not sure they automate their web page. :) Unless there's a compelling reason I tend to go for the latest stable. In this case I'd suggest 3.x.x so that you're doing evaluations while they're working out stuff, you can feed back into their loop about issues you see, and when you do install you're on the longer supported track. Few things as bothersome as getting the new product installed, configured, tuned, and then having to do a major version upgrade... Leam Peter Senft wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi @all, > > a question to the Nagios users out there :). I am currently in the > process evaluating Nagios for our network here and will most likely use > it. But I am not so sure whether I should use 2.x or 3.x. Any thoughts? > > cu hps > > - -- > | Peter Senft > /"\ | E-Mail : peter.senft@hpss.de > \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | FIDO : 2:2476/847.34 > X against HTML mail | ICQ : 62090394 > / \ | Powered by Debian Linux > | #185651 http://counter.li.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFJ91DE8C47DFW4ANMRAtkfAJ0UYxKuRZmFVC0HN9d8wvRXlymAWACdG1xb > sacZNQmt0ygsfNQEmeagHNU= > =QVxI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > CharLUG mailing list > CharLUG@charlug.org > http://charlug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/charlug > From bobevans19 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 08:02:33 2009 From: bobevans19 at gmail.com (Bob Evans) Date: Wed Apr 29 17:36:10 2009 Subject: [Charlug] April Meeting Notes... Message-ID: <7c5cd1190904300502l4e0bc167tcd522881658026d7@mail.gmail.com> Hey, wasn't I supposed to take notes Saturday? Well, it was a great meeting. We had a talk by Dr. Richard Hipp telling us all about the open source software he developed. I was familiar with SQLite, but that's just the tip of the iceberg! In addition to SQLite, Richard wrote Fossil, a distributed version control, wiki, bug tracker. He also authored CVSTrac, a web presentation for CVS... Kevin Jones was kind enough to drive in from Greenville to give the group an overview of his project, Free Linux PC. It is the intent of our group to set up a satellite effort for Free Linux PC, here in the Metrolina... Stay tuned. The website will be getting a Joomla makeover... The May meeting will (most likely) be handled by Chip... I am the latest long distance club member. I am in the process of relocating to southern Georgia for a contract assignment... -be , -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://charlug.org/pipermail/charlug/attachments/20090430/b3e5d4ae/att= achment.htm